Space Force Presents: Operation Drag Queen

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WorldsGreatestForumDad

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The best way for people to understand is to show them. It really isint about Ryan being malicious. But since its so easy to grind salt as they do it why not.

The problem here is the response times it has taken in the past to get things done. How long did heat and cannon meta to get fixed?

How hard is it for Fdev to hit CTRL+F in their code and change the logout timer to 25 or 30 seconds?

Its pretty unnerving to sit and watch things happen for 8 months before a fix goes in. 8 months it took, healing is still dumb too, by the way.

Things could be so much better on Fdevs end when it comes to player interaction. Weapons, modules and ships is not something Fdev can just set it and forget it. It needs consistent TLC. It should never take that long.

So why not start now. Go space force. I cant be bothered to login.
 

Slange Lands

Slange Lands
Phisto Sobanii said:
It's a massive white hat problem. There's nothing the other side can do they will see as 'legitimate.' Thankfully, they don't care.
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Phisto,
I am a Total White Hat and and find griefing seals and explorers to be ethically repugnant. However, I am honored to be referred to as a griefer apologist as well. An Us vs Them is a truly provincial mindset and never solves anything.

quack

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Krash

Krash
Phisto Sobanii said:
It's a massive white hat problem. There's nothing the other side can do they will see as 'legitimate.' Thankfully, they don't care.
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You lost me there, but lets say it was a White Knight group that made this announcement instead. White Knight groups will conduct [white knight activities] in protest to this change. Hear us roar!! That announcement would get all kinds of snickering on here. So maybe I misread the OP and this is supposed to be tongue in cheek? You know, us white knights are lacking sense of humor so that is our well established handicap.

However if a White Knight group decided to go a on a ganker rampage in protest to this change, that would be worth taking notice, right?
 

VR Jay Le Chardon

VR Jay Le Chardon
ryan_m said:
Greetings.

With the wonderful set of patch notes we received yesterday, there lurked a sinister line item that nearly went unnoticed. After the PvP community picked our collective jaws up off of the floor, we headed over to /r/pitchforkemporium to get ready for the incoming dark ages and began rage-posting on reddit and the FDev forums.


As usual for FDev, they posted the patch notes then went radio silent for the rest of the day, providing no context or justification for the changes or even attempting to ameliorate the forum poopoostorm that had been kicked up.

What did this change do?
Drag munitions is an effect for seeker missiles and frag cannons that, when applied, makes the victim ship behave as if it had 0 pips to engines for 5 seconds (with no cooldown). Ships with 0 pips cannot turn easily to avoid incoming damage or to get their weapons back on their attacker. As-is, this effect was strong because of the window it gave to land a big round of DPS on your opponent with little risk to yourself. Mostly it was used on packhounds and seekers as these weapons do not have to be aimed. Annoying, but generally considered to be balanced because you could get away from it or mitigate with countermeasures.

But, according to the FDev brain trust, this was not strong enough. The change pushed to servers today retains all of the previous effects and adds another one: no boosting during the 5 second effect window. Previously, you could boost to get out of the drag effect a bit, making it so you wouldn't simply drift like an idiot. With this change, you can be hit every 5 seconds and be unable to boost or maneuver effectively for an entire fight against a skilled opponent and there is nothing you can do but leave.


How does this affect PvP?
It will be similar to how the heat meta used to be where the first person to land the effect on an opponent wins by default. Once struck, you will have a fraction of the agility of your opponent, who is now free to dump every bit of damage they want into you and you can do nothing about it other than leave the fight or die. This single change has the potential to turn FA-off fights against skilled opponents into shield stacked, 4-0-2 pip, face-tanking due to the absolute disadvantage you will have if you don't also run drag munitions and build your ship to survive such a fight.


Victims of ganking will now likely not be capable of escaping where they were able to previously. Before, you could be reasonably evasive and avoid a lot of incoming damage by boosting around unpredictably and that is no longer possible, so to survive, you need to tank every bit of damage coming your way. For all but the most well prepared players, people will be dying where they otherwise wouldn't be.

What are we going to do about it?
We're going to do what we usually do, which is shoot people with them. SDC/Nomads/Prism and others will be dispatching our most elite content delivery specialists to busy areas around the bubble to demonstrate to other players just how broken these weapons are. We will not be shooting other PvPers with them (just like with SpicyBois) and will be solely shooting players minding their own business, imploring them to take to the forums to voice their opinions on the new changes.

As always, when FDev pushes the fix, the carnage will stop.

Happy ganking, friends.
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This is new, salty posts before the patch has dropped...
 

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
Krash said:
You lost me there, but lets say it was a White Knight group that made this announcement instead. White Knight groups will conduct [white knight activities] in protest to this change. Hear us roar!! That announcement would get all kinds of snickering on here. So maybe I misread the OP and this is supposed to be tongue in cheek? You know, us white knights are lacking sense of humor so that is our well established handicap.

However if a White Knight group decided to go a on a ganker rampage in protest to this change, that would be worth taking notice, right?
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White hat, not white knight. It refers to 'legal hackers' that expose security leaks to the corps so they can fix it. They dont randomly troll people in computer games regardless of whether there is a concern or not however, so the comparison is bogus.
 

IndigoWyrd

IndigoWyrd
ryan_m said:
Greetings.

With the wonderful set of patch notes we received yesterday, there lurked a sinister line item that nearly went unnoticed. After the PvP community picked our collective jaws up off of the floor, we headed over to /r/pitchforkemporium to get ready for the incoming dark ages and began rage-posting on reddit and the FDev forums.


As usual for FDev, they posted the patch notes then went radio silent for the rest of the day, providing no context or justification for the changes or even attempting to ameliorate the forum poopoostorm that had been kicked up.

What did this change do?
Drag munitions is an effect for seeker missiles and frag cannons that, when applied, makes the victim ship behave as if it had 0 pips to engines for 5 seconds (with no cooldown). Ships with 0 pips cannot turn easily to avoid incoming damage or to get their weapons back on their attacker. As-is, this effect was strong because of the window it gave to land a big round of DPS on your opponent with little risk to yourself. Mostly it was used on packhounds and seekers as these weapons do not have to be aimed. Annoying, but generally considered to be balanced because you could get away from it or mitigate with countermeasures.

But, according to the FDev brain trust, this was not strong enough. The change pushed to servers today retains all of the previous effects and adds another one: no boosting during the 5 second effect window. Previously, you could boost to get out of the drag effect a bit, making it so you wouldn't simply drift like an idiot. With this change, you can be hit every 5 seconds and be unable to boost or maneuver effectively for an entire fight against a skilled opponent and there is nothing you can do but leave.


How does this affect PvP?
It will be similar to how the heat meta used to be where the first person to land the effect on an opponent wins by default. Once struck, you will have a fraction of the agility of your opponent, who is now free to dump every bit of damage they want into you and you can do nothing about it other than leave the fight or die. This single change has the potential to turn FA-off fights against skilled opponents into shield stacked, 4-0-2 pip, face-tanking due to the absolute disadvantage you will have if you don't also run drag munitions and build your ship to survive such a fight.


Victims of ganking will now likely not be capable of escaping where they were able to previously. Before, you could be reasonably evasive and avoid a lot of incoming damage by boosting around unpredictably and that is no longer possible, so to survive, you need to tank every bit of damage coming your way. For all but the most well prepared players, people will be dying where they otherwise wouldn't be.

What are we going to do about it?
We're going to do what we usually do, which is shoot people with them. SDC/Nomads/Prism and others will be dispatching our most elite content delivery specialists to busy areas around the bubble to demonstrate to other players just how broken these weapons are. We will not be shooting other PvPers with them (just like with SpicyBois) and will be solely shooting players minding their own business, imploring them to take to the forums to voice their opinions on the new changes.

As always, when FDev pushes the fix, the carnage will stop.

Happy ganking, friends.
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If you have to send your most skilled out to do this what does that say? Because what I’m reading, this sounds like a no-skills-required tactic, which decades of experience has proven to be the most preferred situation by those who engage in this sort of behavior.

So let me pre-applaud all the crutch-kickers gearing up here. Your bravery and heroism are second to none.
 

ryan_m

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IndigoWyrd said:
If you have to send your most skilled out to do this what does that say? Because what I’m reading, this sounds like a no-skills-required tactic, which decades of experience has proven to be the most preferred situation by those who engage in this sort of behavior.

So let me pre-applaud all the crutch-kickers gearing up here. Your bravery and heroism are second to none.
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Combat prowess is just one facet of the emergent content delivery specialist job requirements.
 

rOmiLaYu

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