What does it matter if it’s 13th legion or anyone else? Fighters don’t take anything more than just looking at them to kill. If it’s tanking more than that then something sketchy is going on.
This is Unacceptable. Frontier you better do something about this ASAP.
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Do we know the rank of the SLF pilot? I don't use them myself but I understand they get significantly more effective once you get them to Expert rank and above. If you're at 30 shields and fully pipped to SYS can you take a couple shots of packhounds? I mean, it seems like only the first shot didn't really do that much but the follow ups were much more effective.
Maybe I'll jump in a SLF tomorrow and get shot with hounds (can't get a Guardian one right now).
No matter the rank, the guardian fighters die in 1-2 packhound volleys since they are so weak.
why waste your breath man hes just gonna say git gud like hes some lord of the pvp. Carebears always support a cheater thats going after a pvper.
OP, it's "unplayable"? Really? And all this time I thought I've been playing the game, bugs (yes OP, a tremendous number of them it's true) and all.
Just got in a Taipan fighter. 30 shields, just like a Guardian one right? Had Matt shoot me with hounds while fully PIP'd to shields. Video incoming.
In my opinion the effect of the OP's Packhounds on the SLF doesn't support accusations of hacking.
Like I said earlier... who hacks their SLF to be slightly better? Heck, I wouldn't bother if I couldn't make it invincible and give it station reverb lasers.
In my opinion the effect of the OP's Packhounds on the SLF doesn't support accusations of hacking.
Like I said earlier... who hacks their SLF to be slightly better? Heck, I wouldn't bother if I couldn't make it invincible and give it station reverb lasers.
What I'm doing is being skeptical. No hacks required.
Well, he was shooting pack hounds at a guardian fighter... didn't remember the exact setup, but
- guardian fighters have 30 MJ of shields which have 50% resistance vs. explosive damage, so effectiveley 60 MJ at 0 PIPS up to 150 MJ equivalent at 4 pips.
- Pack hounds deal 7.5 damage each, so he needs 8 hits to take down its shields, if the fighter had zero pips in SYS
- If the fighter had 4 pips in SYS, he would need 20 pack hound hits.
So unless someone's firing a full salvoe (which he didn't do, just a few single missiles) from multiple pack hounds launchers, its completely possible for a guardian fighter to survive such an attack.
make sure hes firing with 2 packhound launchers. im not sure he modded the slf itself or any ship hes piloting would have the same damage modifier. but i know 4 volleys should waste even a taipan which is by far the toughest fighter
He has four on his FDL right now. Fired two at me as similar as we could make it to the OP's video. There's a full on swarm at the end.
The effect on the shields is the sticking point here, right? I mean, of course a Packhound cloud will delete a SLF but that's not what the OP fired at the SLF in question.
If you saw the vid, you would have seen the krait having pink shield when getting hit with the multis, which means he was rocking a bi weave. A bi-weave Krait MK2 with all HD boosters, and a reinforced bi-weave (terrible shield setup btw) will reach about 1600 MJ. A properly Resist balanced build will get near 1200 or lower.
Against a ship with the highest dps potential in the game, you WILL notice shield drop a bit. But even when he was shooting at the Krait, the shield did not show any damage.Tack that with the fact that the fighter ate many volleys of packhounds, and not even drop shield makes this very fishy. A couple of volleys of packhounds will kill any fighter in the game, as packhounds are very effective at taking out fighters.
I am not saying this is cheating since this game tends to break when players try fighting outside a station, this does look fishy...
I will say that cheating has become even more rampant lately in the PvP scene. Way more than usual.
20 pack hound hits, ok consider a pack hound fires 4 rockets and hes firing 2 so that 8 per volley so say he only fired 4 volleys thats 32 rockets...see i can add too.
He didn't fire them all at once. Major consideration because at four PIPs to SYS the shields on the Taipan came back real quick.
I am more questioning the Krait than the fighter.. even after eating a conda ram, he takes no visible shield damage on a bi-weave Krait
Not if he was flying something like this: https://s.orbis.zone/2z4-
At four PIPs to SYS there's 5776 Absolute MJs and 14,666 Explosive MJs. Considering it looked like a missile boat to me he could roll 4-2-0 forever.
I can see why so many of my XBOX friends call it the "Cutter of Mediums."
Here's our video. Anyone feel free to recreate the test.
https://plays.tv/video/5cc91568e198170343/packs-test-with-phisto-
https://plays.tv/video/5cc91568e198170343/packs-test-with-phisto-
Upon a second viewing, I retract some of my first post. The Krait did indeed have bi-weaves. It was the wingmate's Mamba that I was remembering flashing green.
However, even a tanked bi-weave won't immediately start to fade, especially since the anti-shield DPS from the Packs and multis was so minuscule. I'm still not seeing any solid evidence of hacking.
I watched the video and didn't notice anything particularly unusual, certainly nothing that could warrant a hackusation.
Packhounds do 7.5 explosive damage each, or 30 per volley. This is entirely explosive damage unless you are running overload munitions and SLF shields, like most unmodded shields, are quite resistant to explosive damage. Pips, which Expert rank crew have some degree of competence with, will also reduce that damage further.
The Trident has 30MJ of shields. This means that two volleys of packhounds is barely enough to knock them out at 0 pips to SYS.
This is a GU-97 with half the shield strength of a Trident, being hit with seekers that do ~130% of the damage of a packhound volley:
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnMy_P5ng8Q
If you want to take out SLFs, use railguns, or overload munitions. Explosive damage requires three or four shots to reliably down the weakest of SLFs and often a full magazine to down a more durable one with higher rank crew. You also can't wait between volleys because of how fast shields regenerate.
Packhounds do 7.5 explosive damage each, or 30 per volley. This is entirely explosive damage unless you are running overload munitions and SLF shields, like most unmodded shields, are quite resistant to explosive damage. Pips, which Expert rank crew have some degree of competence with, will also reduce that damage further.
The Trident has 30MJ of shields. This means that two volleys of packhounds is barely enough to knock them out at 0 pips to SYS.
This is a GU-97 with half the shield strength of a Trident, being hit with seekers that do ~130% of the damage of a packhound volley:
If you want to take out SLFs, use railguns, or overload munitions. Explosive damage requires three or four shots to reliably down the weakest of SLFs and often a full magazine to down a more durable one with higher rank crew. You also can't wait between volleys because of how fast shields regenerate.
The Krait was using prismatics (green glow). Without knowing his exact setup it's hard to say, how many MJ he had, but a prismatic Krait can easily have >2000 MJ, which at 4 pips SYS (equalling >5000 MJ), wouldn't take a visible dent by an Anaconda ram. Remember the Anaconda is an exceptionally light ship, only slightly heavier than a Krait, so it doesn't have a noteworthy ramming advantage (ramming damage partly depends on the mass difference between the colliding ships).
Not if he was flying something like this: https://s.orbis.zone/2z4-
At four PIPs to SYS there's 5776 Absolute MJs and 14,666 Explosive MJs. Considering it looked like a missile boat to me he could roll 4-2-0 forever.
I can see why so many of my XBOX friends call it the "Cutter of Mediums."
True. This claim would help if we saw the build the Krait was running.
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