Cheating in Elite Dangerous

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Krash

Krash
Replicant said:
Remember the engineering exploit from 2 years ago? I'd say 80% of the Main PvP groups lost most of their modules because of exploiting. I wouldn't be surprised if some people I know or have fought have used this "cheat engine" in the past.
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This is a scary thought, but if you know others are using it and there are no consequences, what's wrong with a 10% boost to FAoff performance, eh?

Disclaimer: I dont use cheats. I maxed out my engineering the hard way. In fact, I'm scared to even search for this cheat out of curiosity as many of you have done. That's how malware gets installed on your systems, sherlocks.
 

The Replicated Man

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Northpin said:
No.
I still think that article is not relevant to the cheating percentage in ED and i'm referring strictly to the Hack in OP
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From what I understand the majority of these "Cheaters" hide out in solo play and abuse the hell out of them in order to assist in BGS,Powerplay and just general day to day activities. If you have one group which is just abusing the crap out of the cheat, and another who is just playing the game normally, how are you supposed to compete with that?
It's bad enough trying to compete with someone who is hiding out in solo, but hiding in solo and using cheats is crazy
 

Bigmaec

Bigmaec
Krash said:
This is a scary thought, but if you know others are using it and there are no consequences, what's wrong with a 10% boost to FAoff performance, eh?

Disclaimer: I dont use cheats. I maxed out my engineering the hard way. In fact, I'm scared to even search for this cheat out of curiosity as many of you have done. That's how malware gets installed on your systems, sherlocks.
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The good thing now is I have an excuse for every time I lost. All cheaters :p
 

The Replicated Man

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EUS said:
Inventory exploit, shield regen SC exploit, premium ammo exploit, there's been many, but this issue is different, IMHO. It's a 3rd party tool that requires the user to also run cheat engine, not a bug that FD is sitting on a fix for, and the only ones who should be using it is FD so that they can patch, or improve the cheat detection in their game.
And now that it's been "outed" anyone who is seen using it, or claiming to use it should be kicked out for good. The whitehats for this is FD, and FD alone.
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I see both cut from the came cloth. It's cheating no matter which way you look at it. Should have FDEV dished out permabans for exploiting in game bugs? Maybe.

It's one thing to try a bug and never do it again, and it's another to continually abuse a bug for player gain.
 
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B1rdy

B1rdy
Old Duck said:
I myself never understood the desire to cheat. I like games to be challenging, not "easy mode".
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Easy mode is exactly one of the main reasons for cheaters to cheat. They just don't want a challenge in online games.

Riverside said:
Random (or targeted based on intel from customers) spot checks is the way to go yes.
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Actually I aimed more at random check of values in instances, like ship position, damage taken, damage dealt, power usage and so on. Then it is easy to check if these value are possible within the established rules.
 

Han Zulu

Han Zulu
T1-Jafo said:
Sure it can. Not that difficult to build and successfully emulate a console with a PC. After all consoles are a form of PC.
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Anything can be hacked.

Essentially, if there's a picture and there's a controller of some kind to facilitate interaction with a player, there's always a potential to do something to cheat. The only safe game is the one that's no one is player and is locked behind a physical door and no connection to the outside world. :D
 

The Replicated Man

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Attack Chimp said:
No. People unwittingly exploit games all the time. That's where the feature-or-bug joke comes from.
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It's one thing to accidentally find a bug, then report it. But to seek it out to get something that was unintended by devs is borderline IMO.
 

Midian Cabal

Midian Cabal
Han Zulu said:
Anything can be hacked.

Essentially, if there's a picture and there's a controller of some kind to facilitate interaction with a player, there's always a potential to do something to cheat. The only safe game is the one that's no one is player and is locked behind a physical door and no connection to the outside world. :D
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Any thing that can change states is hackable, true.
 

EUS

EUS
Replicant said:
I see both cut from the came cloth. It's cheating no matter which way you look at it. Should have FDEV dished out permabans for exploiting in game bugs? Maybe.
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If memory serves, there were 2 times that FD publicly did something about exploits, the inventory, and the engineering exploits.
There were consequences for these 2 specific issues.

They knew about the others, but gave no warnings to the public at large, nor fixed the issues for a long time.
To me, if FD refuses to warn us about them, and/or fix them, I wouldn't blame people for using them.
I don't like it, but I don't think it's actionable either.

I'm part of the 2.8%, I board flipped, was that an exploit?
If so, should I be banned for that?
 

Han Zulu

Han Zulu
Bigmaec said:
Bans to solo is no option.
Shadow or Perma ban is the way to go.
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Or "honeypot" ban. Place offenders on their own servers/instances, slow their connections, reduce USS hits and payouts, but only to make the game more annoying for them so they quit.
 

Han Zulu

Han Zulu
Midian Cabal said:
Any thing that can change states is hackable, true.
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It's like when all these protections against DVD copying came out. Even with all the protections, if you can watch the DVD on a TV, you can always film it with a film camera.

My son did an experiment some years ago in Elite. A program that was reading the screen and controlling the keyboard to make an autopilot. He did it for fun, and it worked, but we're both of the mindset to play the game as is. There's no real protection against such a "hack". Make a robot. It's playing the game. Who would know?
 

Northpin

Northpin
Replicant said:
From what I understand the majority of these "Cheaters" hide out in solo play and abuse the hell out of them in order to assist in BGS,Powerplay and just general day to day activities. If you have one group which is just abusing the crap out of the cheat, and another who is just playing the game normally, how are you supposed to compete with that?
It's bad enough trying to compete with someone who is hiding out in solo, but hiding in solo and using cheats is crazy
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I see what you are doing here and i fully support the replacement of Solo with Open-PVE
 

Screemonster

Screemonster
Attack Chimp said:
No. People unwittingly exploit games all the time. That's where the feature-or-bug joke comes from.
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Yeah. I mean, take the NPC "don't use my other weapons until my PA lands a hit" AI bug. Or the way that assassination targets in signal sources just sit there until engaged and don't go hostile if you just ram them. If you really wanted to cheese either of those AI quirks you could "exploit" assassination missions all the time. Both of those things, when they happened to me the first time, got a response of "hah, that's odd" before I just killed the pirate and handed it in. I write bug reports when I can reliably reproduce them.

Neither of those things required me to go out of my way to find, download, install and launch a third-party crack before I could do them.
 

besieger

besieger
imaner76 said:
I sat watching our favourite ganking wizard live stream while cheating yesterday, even having the arrogance to complain that his shield cheat makes the game crash. He should put a report in, they may help him...
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Wait so you think I was shield hacking? did you not see me under focus for like all of my stream... kinda hard to cheat like that. As for the title... that was bait and clearly you fell for it.
 

Han Zulu

Han Zulu
Replicant said:
From what I understand the majority of these "Cheaters" hide out in solo play and abuse the hell out of them in order to assist in BGS,Powerplay and just general day to day activities. If you have one group which is just abusing the crap out of the cheat, and another who is just playing the game normally, how are you supposed to compete with that?
It's bad enough trying to compete with someone who is hiding out in solo, but hiding in solo and using cheats is crazy
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I think there are a couple of categories of cheaters:

1. those who find a bug/exploit in the game and use it until Frontier nerfs it
2. hiding in solo using cheats to affect BGS and powerplay, mostly bots flying the ships for them
3. players using cheats to hack the stats on their ships equipment (shield, hull, ammo, etc) to gain a slight (or massive) edge over opponents in PvP, which is then in Open

I think the 3rd one is far more serious than 1 or 2.
 
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