To be fair that's true of every community ever.
Cobra Mk IV
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Hold on, let's not confuse issues.
Whether its a ship you enjoy or not is one issue.
Whether there are better ships for the task is another.
Whether it can do the job well is another.
The first is a matter of preference, so let's not discuss that because its unique to each.
Whether there are better ships is not really debatable, i agree, there are. I would say that it would be pretty boring if everyone simply used the best ship for the job all the time. We'd just see everyone flying the same ship (although there is always room for argument over which is best).
So that leaves us whether it can do the job well. I maintain that it can. Its a small ship, perfect for getting inside rocks. While it doesn't have the speed or manouverability of some other small ships, it is more than fast and agile enough for deep core mining. I don't think this is even debatable, i've done, and it was easy to fly in rocks and plant charges. Have you actually tried it? If not, get one, engineer it, give it a go. You might be pleasantly surprised. It has enough hardpoints and internals to do the job as well. Plenty of room for everything you need.
The Mk4 in my opinion makes a better miner (surface or deep core) from a module and stats perspective than any other small ship.
I have tried it, mainly for mining in fact as that was the thing that it looked like it was suitable for. A T-6 still fit the bill better and was more pleasant to use. Combat in it was mainly reversing in FAoff even fully engineered because it doesn't really have a choice.
It can do cores now that those a thing and the size has some merit for that but asteroids are huge and likes of asps, kraits & pythons aren't really impeded by their size. That said I'll use a Clipper for cores because the search is the boring part and its maneuverability puts smaller ships to shame.
You managed to fit a seismic charge launcher on a T6? How? Can you please teach me?
And on the rest: I also use my Cobra MK IV as core miner. It does the job reasonably well. Of course it doesn't allow me to do several hours tours, so i can't bring home the "hundreds of millions per trip" cargo. I have to return to base and sell more often, but compared to the time i spend finding the rocks, the few minutes of supercruise have little impact. Also as I often just have an hour here and there to fly before my wife decides that she found some work for me again, shorter mining tours fit me well.
Thus the cargo advantage of bigger ships doesn't matter to me. The Cobra MK IV fast enough for the job. It is agile enough to not feel exhausting (See: Using a T10 for mining. Some people love it, i found it a chore, due to how the ship handles.) And it is a bit more comfortable to be used inside a cracked rock. It's one of the two activities in the game, where i actually see the property "small" of the ship to be an actual advantage. (The other one are guardian ruins. But that's only due to being able to land inside the ruins and provide point defense cover to the SRV. Which a Cobra can not do, due to the utility slots being on the belly. )
Thus core mining is actually the one and only thing where i found the Cobra MK IV a worthy choice. There might be better ships for it, but it can do it well enough. For anything else, its performance is just too far behind to still be a reasonable pick in my eyes.
But if they made it available as you suggest, the other group of players would then presumably be victims of mis-selling.I certainly have. It's a solid line of argument, and a reasonable position to take - especially if seeking a refund (if the Cobra MKIV is not made available). Otherwise, Frontier need to make clear on their website that the Cobra MKIV is not available to new players. As things currently stand, they are using the Cobra MKIV as a selling point - even listing the purchase price of the ship - thereby implying that if you buy the game, this ship is available to you and that's the in-game price you'd pay (clearly misleading if it's not available to the player/customer after purchase).
Before 3.3. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
Another way FDev could have done the Cobra Mk4 thingie.... or any other "exclusive ship" for early backers/ LEPs is to let them have so called "early access" to a particular ship for the first year or so. After a year, that ship becomes public access.
At least this is a middle ground.
At least this is a middle ground.
I'm a MkIV owner and would be very happy to share the ship with every other player. I quite like it, a bit slow but it has a nice feel for pottering about in.
But, given how FD marketed it, they're much better off keeping it as an exclusive. It's just not worth the fallout.
It woud have been better to have had the ship as a timed exclusive. This would not have been an issue at all.
But, given how FD marketed it, they're much better off keeping it as an exclusive. It's just not worth the fallout.
It woud have been better to have had the ship as a timed exclusive. This would not have been an issue at all.
Type 6 is not a small ship
I did say small ship.For now though, i'm loving my type 10 for mining.
Oh this again?
When was the last time we did this, a couple of weeks ago?
Maybe we need a FAQ for new people to cover the Cobra Mk IV, Mini Jumps, The Icarus Cup, Open Power-play, CQC, Ice Planets and Carriers to stop this from going around again and again and again.
When was the last time we did this, a couple of weeks ago?
Maybe we need a FAQ for new people to cover the Cobra Mk IV, Mini Jumps, The Icarus Cup, Open Power-play, CQC, Ice Planets and Carriers to stop this from going around again and again and again.
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You can earn rank and gain access to the ships that are locked. There's nothing a new player can do (besides complain in the way I described earlier - or something similar) to unlock the Cobra MKIV and gain access to it...
Yeah, because it's exclusive
The Cobra MkIV is not exclusive to early backers or LEPs.
It is exclusive to commanders who bought Elite Horizons in the early days on PC and Xbox.
It is not available in any form on the PS4
- To those that say make the Cobra MkIV available to everyone and then provide LEP / Early backers with a different ship - you are kind of missing the point.
- To those that say it is exclusive so shouldn't be made available to everyone - As I have said in the many other threads that have discussed this. The wording on the original 'promise' is open to all sorts of legal loop holes. It is just down to the interpretation of Frontier as to how they want to hold to a commitment made three years ago.
- To those that say it should be opened up to all (with or without any sort of stat change) - I agree with you. I am a PS4 commander so was never given the opportunity to fly one. I have a full fleet, minus a Cobra MkIV. Due to an exclusivity deal that Microsoft initially did with Frontier, blocking Playstation access to the game, I have been impacted. Three years after Elite 2.x (Horizons) was launched, I still cannot access a ship that appears in game and can be bought by a number of other players on other platforms.
Frontier should make the ship available to all (in my opinion). I cannot believe that releasing the ship three years later will cause sufficient people to leave the game out of protest in comparison to the revenue generated from ship kits / paint jobs / etc.
It is a Quick Win with minimal damage.
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Cobra Mk IV
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Cobra Mk IV
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Cobra Mk IV
Greetings Commanders, We've had a number of you asking and we're glad to be able to confirm that the Cobra Mk IV will be available to Xbox One Commanders who purchase Horizons. This is a limited time offer, as with the PC release. Xbox One Commanders who purchase Horizons season pass before...
Poll- Time to unloose the Cobra?
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Slopey
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I certainly have. It's a solid line of argument, and a reasonable position to take - especially if seeking a refund (if the Cobra MKIV is not made available). Otherwise, Frontier need to make clear on their website that the Cobra MKIV is not available to new players. As things currently stand, they are using the Cobra MKIV as a selling point - even listing the purchase price of the ship - thereby implying that if you buy the game, this ship is available to you and that's the in-game price you'd pay (clearly misleading if it's not available to the player/customer after purchase).
Somebody hasn't read the terms and conditions..... See the link at the bottom of the page. Sections 8, 9 and 11 are relevant. It's neither a reasonable line of argument or a reasonable position to take. The page does not use the Cobra Mk IV as a selling point, and even if it did the aforementioned clauses in the T&C, which you have accepted, indemnify FD.
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stormyuk
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Yes please, us PS4 users never got a chance to get this like PC or Xbox users did. It should have been our pre-order bonus.
Totally accept my PC account should not get it, as I missed the boat, the PS4 has mitigating circumstances as we couldn't even buy tickets for the boat.
Totally accept my PC account should not get it, as I missed the boat, the PS4 has mitigating circumstances as we couldn't even buy tickets for the boat.
I agree with PS4 players that preordered getting it. But if you didn't preorder, tough.
I don't have a problem with that argument if it ends up as the only way to deflect against the indignation of the original PC and Xbox commanders who have access to the ship. I don't agree with it but I can see the fairness in the argument.
I can understand the argument for exclusivity during the Horizons period of the game (a.k.a. Elite Dangerous: 2.x) but we are beyond that with Elite Dangerous: Beyond (a.k.a. Elite Dangerous 3.x)
In my opinion, Frontier should simplify their selling proposition. Dispense with allowing customers to just buy Elite (non Horizons) and consolidate it into a single Elite 'base' game.
This will provide Frontier with a more standardized set of regression tests, potentially simplifying future code deployment. It will also mean that the complexity of code to make certain ships available / un-available can be removed (Kraits, Cheiftain, Challenger, Mamba, Cobra MkIV, etc). As has been said earlier in this thread, it would also boost potential revenue streams as paint jobs and ship kits could be sold for a higher number of ships so potentially is a win-win (customers get more - Frontier get more)
Yeah that distinction is arbitrary and pretty irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. A T6 is comparable in overall size (taller and longer, but also thinner with no wings), it handles better, is faster and can still land on outposts all for about the same price outfitted.Type 6 is not a small ship
Just so, and likewise, I get my small ship kicks with different specs. Neither here nor there though, you know. It is what it is. The call to free the ship is kind of disrespectful of the terms of sale in which it was made in the first place. Not saying that's inherently a bad thing, but there are quire relevant connotations with these sort of things.fair enough, i'd still rather use a CM4
Or there's just goodwill to the community... Noone is really going to care for too long if frontier go "sorry but we've decided to be nice to people here you go, we love you"...
Giving out refunds to a few horrible people after they've been contacted by their local authorities would be nothing compared to the goodwill gained.