So there’s currently a Cmdr stuck in the slot, station defences having no affect, assumed he’s proving a point about cheats...

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Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
EdzUp said:
If he got banned for his actions but others who have been reported in the past are still free to do as they please it would scream of skapegoat.
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Not really.

The guy advertised his action.

The others FD know about but perhaps are not wanting to let them know they know about them yet, and will do a ban wave when they are ready.

To be honest, if I was FD, i'd write him a letter explaining what he did was against the TOS, and while I understand his frustration, this does not help the devs and hinders others who are trying to enjoy the game. That he is being hit with a shadowban for a month or something and let him know if he ever does it again it will be a permaban.
 

znôrt

znôrt
Mangal Oemie said:
As someone who makes a living in infosec, this displays some of the very worst practices in the industry around security. It's pretty much an anti-pattern.
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it just looks like they knew it's a lost battle in this case, and the only thing they can do is damage control and keeping info under wraps hoping the thing doesn't spread too much. well, if that's the case, it clearly went out of the window, time for some fresh new ideas.

imo the only reason this hasn't gone rampant in the general public is that there is really no point for the hassle and risk, the game is very easy anyway. competitive pvp doesn't really exist, it's just moslty friendly duels or ganks, and quietly cheating the bgs might have some appeal, but who plays that broken thing seriously anyway except a few weirdos :)
 

Dillon Fallon

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EdzUp said:
Yeah but is cheating in multiplayer game really a plus? :)
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I would be amazed if cheating is not possible on consoles. The problem for someone cheating is that the report could be sent to Sony/Microsoft instead. I have no idea if they would take do anything more than than Frontier are doing, but the potential punishment of a ban on a whole Xbox live / PSN account or even a block on using a console online probably puts the brakes on more people trying it than if they were on PC.
 
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metatheurgist

metatheurgist
znôrt said:
i don't get you.

suppose i sell icecream and waffles. if people gets consistently sick from my waffles, do you really think that i need not respond to all my customers, existing and future, but just to the few who ate my waffles?
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More like:

You sell waffles to a tiny percent of your customers. Some waffle eaters are taking your waffles and adding delicious extras to them. Other waffle eaters are outraged that some waffle eaters are doing that. Then one of those outraged waffle eaters decided to do that too...in the doorway of your shop. 😂
 

sollisb

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Agony_Aunt said:
Not really.

The guy advertised his action.

The others FD know about but perhaps are not wanting to let them know they know about them yet, and will do a ban wave when they are ready.

To be honest, if I was FD, i'd write him a letter explaining what he did was against the TOS, and while I understand his frustration, this does not help the devs and hinders others who are trying to enjoy the game. That he is being hit with a shadowban for a month or something and let him know if he ever does it again it will be a permaban.
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Well... If I was FDev I'd suspend all current development and fix the net code that allows these cheat programs to operate at will. I'd be putting huge big notice to all. We're working on it from today on. Anyone caught from her on in, is permabanned. Shadowbans are no more.

Doing anything less is basically giving anyone a free ride from until the next release. While fancy swanky menu systems look great, the cheating undermine the entire game and indeed company.

Saying but only a few know about it, is pure drivel. By now anyone that's anyone knows about , and if interested, has sought it out and tried it.

If you into open today,
You're sure of a big surprise,
Today's the day,
The cheaters are having a picnic.

And what do we hear from Frontier? Absolutely nothing!! Pathetic!
 

Frank

Frank
metatheurgist said:
More like:

You sell waffles to a tiny percent of your customers. Some waffle eaters are taking your waffles and adding delicious extras to them. Other waffle eaters are outraged that some waffle eaters are doing that. Then one of those outraged waffle eaters decided to do that too...in the doorway of your shop. 😂
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You mean illegal delicious extras which are very more-ish, and make you act it weird inexplicable ways?
 

Mangal Oemie

Mangal Oemie
Agony_Aunt said:
Thanks for the info.

However, are you confusing two separate cheats? There are the bot scripts which control effectively AFK flying and trading or whatever. And then there are the cheats that give invulnerable shields etc. Aren't those two separate things?

Or are you saying the bots run the cheats in parallel?

I thought the outrage here was more about people running hacks in open to give themselves invulnerable shilds etc.
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They are two different things, but the bots use the cheats to make it to distant stations faster, avoid interdictions, be invulnerable to damage, etc. So, fight the cheats and you make life more difficult for the botters, too
 

Ka_Tor

Ka_Tor
Deejayeff145 said:
I'm on PS4 so I imagine it would be quite easy to trace my details on an alt account since I'd have to create a gamer ID which would include some personal information. I take it from your comment this is impossible on PC.
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You can easily create a PSN account with false info
 

Rat Catcher

Rat Catcher
Now let me get this straight...

Player loads cheat, demonstrates how good it is by blocking JM slot for 90-ish minutes, gets a streamer or 2 to make sure everyone and their dog is aware of it... To protest about cheating?

Fdev swing the ban hammer on him and folk are surprised? He just did a 'pony on a plate' and fed it to the game developers - just to make a point, as if no-one was aware of the existence of cheating from the very dawn of time when any 'game' was conceived - if there is any way to be 'better than the rest' it is going to appeal to someone, somewhere!

I agree entirely that these 'cheats' (scripts, code, WHY) need to be effectively blocked, but see no need for FDev to be in the forums giving us a 'blow by blow' account of what they are doing - that would be senseless!

I do wonder if the announcement and subsequent demonstration of the efficacy of the cheat serves no better purpose than to raise awareness of its availablilty rather than the intended result...

Of course it makes sense that the only folk to 'notice' this cheat are the PvP players (I've just dipped my toe in for the first time so not a 'us Vs them' comment) as it would be most apparent if something was 'not quite right' to 'stupidly OP' to this particular play style.

Maybe the OP should offer the Devs the same ultimatum as was given with the improved Drag experimental - that appeared to work :D
 

sollisb

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Ratkatcher said:
Now let me get this straight...

Player loads cheat, demonstrates how good it is by blocking JM slot for 90-ish minutes, gets a streamer or 2 to make sure everyone and their dog is aware of it... To protest about cheating?
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Yep! And he was allowed to stay online, in instance, while Frontier did absolutely nothing.

While I understand, they can't fix things just by magic or possibly hope to contend with all the cheaters, they should have active GMs to shut this down forcefully and rapidly. Not leave the entire Elite world laughing their bottoms off at the incompetence of the game publisher.
 

Siobhan

Siobhan
sollisb said:
Yep! And he was allowed to stay online, in instance, while Frontier did absolutely nothing.

While I understand, they can't fix things just by magic or possibly hope to contend with all the cheaters, they should have active GMs to shut this down forcefully and rapidly. Not leave the entire Elite world laughing their bottoms off at the incompetence of the game publisher.
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Having GMs working the weekend costs money... Do you pay a subscription? I know I don't.
 

sollisb

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Siobhan said:
Having GMs working the weekend costs money... Do you pay a subscription? I know I don't.
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No.. But I've spent int he region of £500 across 5 accounts for paint kits etc

It's not like they be hauling bricks and mortar up 7 stairways or anything..
 

PhanttoM

PhanttoM
This is my lazy-day of posting... :p

PhanttoM said:
Meh, he got banned. I'm just gonna copy-paste what I said on CMDR PLATER's video;

As much as I respect him for doing a passive protest, rather than simply going on a player killing spree — I also don't have a problem with him being banned. Giving special treatment to someone cheating because of Robin Hood logic, is not a good precedence to set for anti-cheat rules. ​
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Players have been asking for concrete statements and decisions from Frontier, rather than their usual vagueness. Leaving cheating open to interpretation and special treatment goes against that. ​
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