State of the game

OuterSpaceApe

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Hello all.
Once upon a time, in a different life(before I had a majestic spawn who is now 2.5 years old whom I can't wait to play this game with), I was an avid beta tester. I probably clocked 1,000 hours before I decided that I didn't want to burn out on the game before all of the fun stuff got added. I am contemplating returning to the game(let's be honest, it's a serious commitment to consider lol).

I am completely naive and google searching "ED current state of game" really didn't have anything relevant and I'm not sure I want to dig through years worth of casual updates just to find the pertinent info.

Would any of the always-helpful community here be willing to make a comparison list of the things that were promised to us and the things that have been delivered to us? I can't seem to find any roadmap or any other list that would have this information, if there is one, please point me to it!
I know some big things have been added, but Horizons is still the only released "expansion"?

Just want to know some basic information so I can make an informed decision if now is the right time to jump back into the game.

Thank you!!!

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sewerratuk

sewerratuk
Is it really that much of a trauma to download and boot up the game for an hour so you can decide for yourself?
The comments you will get here will be conflicting depending upon the viewpoint of the poster
You could post a list of the things from the promises that would bring you back into the game and then people could let you know if they were introduced
 

OuterSpaceApe

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sewerratuk said:
Is it really that much of a trauma to download and boot up the game for an hour so you can decide for yourself?
The comments you will get here will be conflicting depending upon the viewpoint of the poster
You could post a list of the things from the promises that would bring you back into the game and then people could let you know if they were introduced
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Well considering the game is very time intensive to do literally anything, this doesn't seem like a great option if I'm deciding whether now is the right time to come back. Sort of defeats the purpose one would think.

Fair enough about people's opinions, I was thinking something along the lines of. Promised: Avatars. Delivered: Yes, no? ... Can you board enemy ships? Yes, no? You know like from the Kickstarter stretch goals.

Thank you all.
 

Yt Noyz

Yt Noyz
Me?
I just did that. I was away for over a year. Came back - well over 1000 hours.
So far so good. Got Elite's updates loaded and playing - yeah!
Still have problems with Voice Attack and HCS voice packs working.

But I'm here because I am having problems with TCE ll. Mainly when I select a tab the game disappears. I have to click the game icon in the tray to get it back. Then the TCE overlay is gone. Then I have to use the control key for show/hide interface to get it back on top. Have the click twice - I guess the first one closes it the second reopens it. Then it's on top. But truly a real detriment to immersive game play has before.

Also TCE stopped updating mostly noticeable where I'm at and where I'm going.

Also I see no way to update commodities as before by the scan I used to use.

Any suggestions?
 

DeletedUser191218

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OuterSpaceApe said:
Hello all.
Once upon a time, in a different life(before I had a majestic spawn who is now 2.5 years old whom I can't wait to play this game with), I was an avid beta tester. I probably clocked 1,000 hours before I decided that I didn't want to burn out on the game before all of the fun stuff got added. I am contemplating returning to the game(let's be honest, it's a serious commitment to consider lol).

I am completely naive and google searching "ED current state of game" really didn't have anything relevant and I'm not sure I want to dig through years worth of casual updates just to find the pertinent info.

Would any of the always-helpful community here be willing to make a comparison list of the things that were promised to us and the things that have been delivered to us? I can't seem to find any roadmap or any other list that would have this information, if there is one, please point me to it!
I know some big things have been added, but Horizons is still the only released "expansion"?

Just want to know some basic information so I can make an informed decision if now is the right time to jump back into the game.

Thank you!!!

Edit*- added a screenshot for posterity.
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Honestly, it's a good but very flawed game. It still has great potential but an increasing number are frustrated that it feels unlikely to ever meet it.

If you decide to jump back in you should do a couple of things -

1) Join a player group. It will make the game have more purpose. Hopefully they will have a private group as well so you can avoid gankers (which this game is rife with).

2) Don't burn out on engineering. I did and ended up hating the game. Just play it.
 

Nick Sticks

Nick Sticks
The problem with saying "the things that were promised to us" is that mostly they were things they intended to implement or things they would like to implement.
You would be better off asking what it is that you would like and seeing if that is in.
There have also been things that have been implemented that were not mentioned at the Kickstarter stage.

For reference here is the Kickstarter page for Elite Dangerous:
www.kickstarter.com

Elite: Dangerous

Take a ship and 100 credits to make money legally or illegally - trade, bounty-hunt, pirate, assassinate your way across the galaxy.
www.kickstarter.com www.kickstarter.com
 

Robbie84

Robbie84
Nice screenshot.

If your last playtime was during the Beta phase of ED then you are now entering a completely different game. You are still glued to your ship... (for now).

This is what you want to read feature wise what has been added to the game via big and smaller updates:
https://elite-dangerous.fandom.com/wiki/Version_history

Explaining each of those additions is not really feasible on the forums but you can look them up individually.

v1.0 "Welcome"
v1.1 "Community Goals"
v1.2 "Wings"
v1.3 "Powerplay"
v1.4 "CQC"
v1.5 "Ships"

Elite Dangerous: HORIZONS - 1st Paid Expansion - includes all v1 content (Elite Dangerous)

v2.0 "Planetary Landings"
v2.1 "The Engineers"
v2.2 "The Guardians" - 1st Aliens
v2.3 "The Commanders"
v2.4 "The Return" - 2nd Aliens (Thargoids)

Elite Dangerous: BEYOND - Free set of 4 updates with various additions

v3.0, v3.1, v3.2, v3.3

Beyond has finished and we are waiting for (99.99%) paid 4.0 expansion set to launch in late 2020.

There is a lot of information to digest but you should find it very nice. While it is hard to experience everything in game without external help (youtube...) you should look some stuff up but then try to experience it yourself. There is a lot of stuff out there now.

Welcome back.
 

DeletedUser191218

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Nick Sticks said:
The problem with saying "the things that were promised to us" is that mostly they were things they intended to implement or things they would like to implement.
You would be better off asking what it is that you would like and seeing if that is in.
There have also been things that have been implemented that were not mentioned at the Kickstarter stage.

For reference here is the Kickstarter page for Elite Dangerous:
www.kickstarter.com

Elite: Dangerous

Take a ship and 100 credits to make money legally or illegally - trade, bounty-hunt, pirate, assassinate your way across the galaxy.
www.kickstarter.com www.kickstarter.com
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This common semantic argument is used a lot in an attempt to brush over FDev's inability to deliver. When people say "were promised" it's a regular defensive strategy to argue whether the intention was literally promised or not. It doesn't matter. They haven't delivered on some stuff.

The game still has a reasonable amount in it but it's easy to find yourself with nothing to do and no reason to pick up the game. I still do mercenary/bounty hunter stuff....but the game really needs some kind of narrative.
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Rambojambo said:
This common semantic argument is used a lot in an attempt to brush over FDev's inability to deliver. When people say "were promised" it's a regular defensive strategy to argue whether the intention was literally promised or not. It doesn't matter. They haven't delivered on some stuff.

The game still has a reasonable amount in it but it's easy to find yourself with nothing to do and no reason to pick up the game. I still do mercenary/bounty hunter stuff....but the game really needs some kind of narrative.
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Well, how about those who worry about promises find a dev quote and seeing what they say to determine whether it was a promise or whether they said its something they would like to do.

Plenty they haven't delivered on and plenty they have.

Even if something was promised, until they close down development it can't be said they have failed on their promise... unless they said they were going to do it in a specific timeframe.

Sure, its a bit handwavy, but not as bad as those who declare "FD promised" when they never did any such thing.

You can go back to the KS vids and see Braben enthusiastically talking about things they want to do though saying things like "We want to add A and we would like to add B and we will add C"... and those need separating out. Because only where he says "will" or similar can be constituted promises.
 

DeletedUser191218

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Agony_Aunt said:
Well, how about those who worry about promises find a dev quote and seeing what they say to determine whether it was a promise or whether they said its something they would like to do.

Plenty they haven't delivered on and plenty they have.

Even if something was promised, until they close down development it can't be said they have failed on their promise... unless they said they were going to do it in a specific timeframe.

Sure, its a bit handwavy, but not as bad as those who declare "FD promised" when they never did any such thing.

You can go back to the KS vids and see Braben enthusiastically talking about things they want to do though saying things like "We want to add A and we would like to add B and we will add C"... and those need separating out. Because only where he says "will" or similar can be constituted promises.
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Mate, I just advised how arguing the semantic point of what you determine to be a 'promise' is missing the point....and you just did exactly that.

It's a weak defence. People expected them to deliver and they haven't so far. You can try to justify that by linguistic technicalities but the simple facts are that they advised their vision for the game but haven't delivered on it.

I think by and large it's a decent game. But let's be adult about how much it has so far fallen short of both it's potential and players' expectations.
 

Arkadi

Arkadi
Basically you have missed all the fun stuff, when things got discoverd... but the game is still good, I guess.
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Rambojambo said:
Mate, I just advised how arguing the semantic point of what you determine to be a 'promise' is missing the point....and you just did exactly that.

It's a weak defence. People expected them to deliver and they haven't so far. You can try to justify that by linguistic technicalities but the simple facts are that they advised their vision for the game but haven't delivered on it.

I think by and large it's a decent game. But let's be adult about how much it has so far fallen short of both it's potential and players' expectations.
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Oh well, such is life.
 

Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
OuterSpaceApe said:
I know some big things have been added, but Horizons is still the only released "expansion"?
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Horizons is the only bit which needs paying for. "Beyond" - which covers 2018, 2019 and some of 2020 is its own thing, but not charged for.

From your screenshot I guess you're asking in the context of the things discussed as part of the initial design in the DDF? Of the DDF's bullet points I'd say:
- about 50% implemented roughly as stated and expected, maybe with some details different or later amended
- about 20% implemented in a way that meets the text of the DDF but not necessarily in the way people expected
- about 2% implemented and then taken out again after it became clear it was a bad idea
- about 10% not implemented but it's quite clear from the current forum discussions that any attempt to do so would just lead to a giant "Why Does Frontier Hate The Players" thread
- the rest not implemented and not obviously coming up

In addition, there's a bunch of extra stuff that wasn't in the DDF like
- ability to play with other people in a more planned fashion than "we happened to be in the same system once"
- a lot of the surface stuff from Horizons
- much more in the way of ship customisation
- aliens

Broadly, with four more years experience of running a persistent multiplayer Elite game, Frontier are not necessarily going in the same direction now as they thought they would be going four years ago. On the whole that's probably a good thing, given some of their early mistakes - but does mean that some of the original cool-sounding stuff might never happen.

In general I'd say that if you haven't played for a few years, there's certainly enough new stuff to keep you occupied for at least a few months without worrying about burnout, and then you can take another break still having had some fun if you feel that you've seen all there is you want for now. It really depends on how you like to play the game, of course. One minor feature added about a year ago that was so minor it barely got a mention in the patch notes kept me busy for months investigating it all ... while other major release-defining features I've spent a couple of hours on and decided are just not particularly fun for me. But the basic "fly the spaceship, have fun" still works for me regardless.
 

DeletedUser191218

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Rustnsawdust said:
So that's your argument? That anything "people expected them to deliver" is now a promise. Talk about semantics!
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Words can't express how daft this response is. I'm not going to explain it again..the information is available in this thread as to what my argument is. I can't hold your hand and explain it any more clearly. At some point you have to take ownership for your own ability/willingness to process simple information.
 

Sugarat

Sugarat
Attack Chimp said:
That was for cash? Dammit. Now I have to read that mess...
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Nope..
Ian Doncaster said:
No, Icarus was for holographic bobbleheads.

The CQC tournament it replaced as the "PvP tournaments which isn't happening" would have been for cash.
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This.. But either tournament would have been great imo (not that I would have entered).. the £100,00 prize pool (iirc) for the CQC tournament would have attracted some serious competition if it had ever happened..
 

Zed

Zed
Rambojambo said:
Mate, I just advised how arguing the semantic point of what you determine to be a 'promise' is missing the point....and you just did exactly that.

It's a weak defence. People expected them to deliver and they haven't so far. You can try to justify that by linguistic technicalities but the simple facts are that they advised their vision for the game but haven't delivered on it.

I think by and large it's a decent game. But let's be adult about how much it has so far fallen short of both it's potential and players' expectations.
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But semantics are important. Put it like this, if you were taking a comprehension test for a job would your view be the same? If the answer is yes then you didn't get the job.
 
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