Let me buy the Cobra MK IV please.

[Nihila Vex]

What boggles my mind is why people are so fixated on the exclusivity on a single ship among a wide selection of alternatives where the large general consensus is that it's all but useless and can easily be replaced, yeah it's just a ship in a video game what's it matter if it's given to everyone, but at the same time, it's a ship in a video game that can't be obtained among a wide selection of alternatives, why does it matter if you can or cannot obtain it?

Sure we'd all like to have it.. but does it really matter? Buy something else and move on not like the CM4 can insta-kill Corvettes, you're not gonna lose sleep because you can't have that one tiny insignificant thing.

If we'd all like to have it... why can't we all have it?

For the record I'll mention again that I have access to the Cobra IV on my main and haven't flown one in years because it's not that great a ship. But the point is, it's been exclusive for five years. It just doesn't matter enough to keep withholding it from people. Are there really Beta players strutting around in Cobra IVs getting a sense of pride and accomplishment and security of identity because they have one ropey ship a bunch of other players can't buy?

 

[Old Duck]

What boggles my mind is why people are so fixated on the exclusivity on a single ship among a wide selection of alternatives where the large general consensus is that it's all but useless and can easily be replaced, yeah it's just a ship in a video game what's it matter if it's given to everyone, but at the same time, it's a ship in a video game that can't be obtained among a wide selection of alternatives, why does it matter if you can or cannot obtain it?

Sure we'd all like to have it.. but does it really matter? Buy something else and move on, it's not like the CM4 can insta-kill Corvettes, you're not gonna lose sleep because you can't have that one tiny insignificant thing.

My interest in the CMIV is that it has the highest cargo capacity of a small ship. Oh, and it looks cool. That said, I can live without it.

 

[Nihila Vex]

And that argumunet yoyu tried to make also goes both ways, why can't you get over that you do not have access to that ship? I mean, if you play the get over it, it several years old, so why can't you suck it up that you are not getting this ship?

I do have that ship.

My point is, it doesn't matter. The exclusivity, I mean. If those of us who have the Cobra IV really haven't gotten all the value they're going to get out of that exclusivity in five years, then... well, I think they probably got a bargain at the price they paid. We should all be lucky enough to get that much value out of a game.

 

[Hell Razor5543]

(To the music of "Sound of Silence") (well, ish!)

Hello Cobra MkIV thread my old friend,
It's time to start you up again,
Because this issue softly creeping,
Left its complaint while I was sleeping,
And the hassle that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of this thread being locked as well!

 

[FurryFailure]

If we'd all like to have it... why can't we all have it?

For the record I'll mention again that I have access to the Cobra IV on my main and haven't flown one in years because it's not that great a ship. But the point is, it's been exclusive for five years. It just doesn't matter enough to keep withholding it from people. Are there really Beta players strutting around in Cobra IVs getting a sense of pride and accomplishment and security of identity because they have one ropey ship a bunch of other players can't buy?

If you'd like to re-read my post, you would also note the part where I said "Does it really matter?" I don't care that it's exclusive, I just think people crying over it are being really childish because they want something they simply cannot have that can be easily replaced, I know alot of people including myself that want the Mercenary Decals and Paints, but the simple fact is, we cannot have them because we missed the boat.

Even if they provide the CM4 for everyone, I can guarantee you they'll release something to compensate that and I can easily see people complaining about those next, exclusive benefits are provided for a reason, and if you miss out on it, tough luck, move on.

 

[VR CMDR Novindus]

It's funny, I call people who demand that other people give up something they paid for, just so that they can have it too, selfish. After all "I want" is an intrinsically selfish position to take.

Except that those who have access don’t lose it or have it limited or restricted if others gain it. Which is why it is a selfish position to oppose the request that it be made available to all.

Moreover, there is a critical distinction between wanting something for oneself and wanting it for everyone that precludes the attribution of selfishness.

You’re ultimately saying that you don’t want others to acquire what you have, even though you don’t lose it in the acquisition, and incur no further costs to yourself in the process. To top that off, you add the brazen gall of labelling it a selfish request that everyone who purchased the game be granted access to the ship and be allowed to enjoy it.

The defence of retaining exclusivity and ownership of non-digital items with low availability is understandable, as physical loss and asset devaluation may be incurred. In this specific case relating to lossless digital replication, it’s indefensible, particularly after the significant time period that has passed.

 

[VR CMDR Novindus]

What boggles my mind is why people are so fixated on the exclusivity on a single ship among a wide selection of alternatives where the large general consensus is that it's all but useless and can easily be replaced, yeah it's just a ship in a video game what's it matter if it's given to everyone, but at the same time, it's a ship in a video game that can't be obtained among a wide selection of alternatives, why does it matter if you can or cannot obtain it?

Sure we'd all like to have it.. but does it really matter? Buy something else and move on, it's not like the CM4 can insta-kill Corvettes, you're not gonna lose sleep because you can't have that one tiny insignificant thing.

I can and do live without it. It doesn’t matter to me in the same sense that video games don’t ultimately matter to me, as they’re just games. It’s just a digital ship in a digital game.

None of that is really relevant to my argument though, as it’s based on principle, and I’m making it more out of trying to have an interesting discussion than with any real expectation that the ship will become available.

 

[Rat Catcher]

I don't want one, thanks.
I also don't care that cosmetics I bought in the store I'll be able to 'earn' later in game, it just means that my alt(s) get freebies sooner or later - saves me money
Gosh, I'm boring!

 

[VR CMDR Novindus]

I guess it would also be nice for all players overall if Elite were completely free.

Funny how people are disguising the "I want" as the Greater Good now.

It’s funnier that you resort to false equivalence when you aren’t able to refute the argument that removing the restriction would actually be the greater “good” in this case, or what I would term as having the greater positive impact for the majority of customers.

 

[Hell Razor5543]

FDev stated it was exclusive to those Players who met certain conditions. There are Players who did meet those conditions, and so can, if they choose, buy the Cobra MkIV. Players who did NOT meet these conditions are not allowed to buy the Cobra MkIV. I can understand this, and if FDev were to change their position they would also (almost certainly) lose the trust of a lot of Players (as well as being inundated for other exclusive things to be unlocked, as the precedent has been set).

I am a Beta Backer. I accept that, as I am NOT a Kickstarter, there are things I am not eligible for, and so I will not ask for them. I feel that (regardless of the reasons) if I missed the boat I am not entitled to the voyage. I also wish that Players who did not meet the conditions to obtain certain things within the game would stop getting hung up over them, move on, and play the Game that they CAN play!

 

[VR CMDR Novindus]

Y'all need to go watch a documentary called "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory", it studies the psychological and physical harm that can occur when one focuses on attainment of the unattainable, it's a chilling story.

I don’t recall Veruca Salt advocating access to golden egg laying geese for all. Not that it’s equivalent to the case being discussed, as we’re talking about lossless digital replication.

 

[Morbad]

My CMDR will give one Cobra Mk IV, to the party responsible, for each Engineer permanently killed or starport permanently destroyed.

 

[zimms]

It’s funnier that you resort to false equivalence when you aren’t able to refute the argument that removing the restriction would actually be the greater “good” in this case, or what I would term as having the greater positive impact for the majority of customers.

Why is it for the game's greater good though, because you say so? Please explain what benefits exactly Elite overall will receive by going back on the exclusivity.

 

[metatheurgist]

My interest in the CMIV is that it has the highest cargo capacity of a small ship. Oh, and it looks cool. That said, I can live without it.

Dolphin says "eeek!"

 

[VR CMDR Novindus]

FDev stated it was exclusive to those Players who met certain conditions. There are Players who did meet those conditions, and so can, if they choose, buy the Cobra MkIV. Players who did NOT meet these conditions are not allowed to buy the Cobra MkIV. I can understand this, and if FDev were to change their position they would also (almost certainly) lose the trust of a lot of Players (as well as being inundated for other exclusive things to be unlocked, as the precedent has been set).

I am a Beta Backer. I accept that, as I am NOT a Kickstarter, there are things I am not eligible for, and so I will not ask for them. I feel that (regardless of the reasons) if I missed the boat I am not entitled to the voyage. I also wish that Players who did not meet the conditions to obtain certain things within the game would stop getting hung up over them, move on, and play the Game that they CAN play!

What makes you say that Frontier would lose the trust of a lot of players if they made the MKIV available to all after five years of exclusivity?

Have you considered the greater positive impact it would have for the majority of the player base, and measured that against the minor negative impact for the fraction of the diminishing minority of Horizons early adopters who inexplicably defend the exclusivity today?

Would you rather trust Frontier to make decisions that have a greater positive impact for the majority of their customers, or to fail to do so because of something they stated years ago?

 

[Morbad]

we’re talking about lossless digital replication.

We're talking about Frontier reneging on prior statements/commitments and exhausting more of a very finite supply of credibility.

While I am as for an egalitarian a gaming experience as possible, I do not see how it would be practical for Frontier to remove one of the promised incentives of certain product tiers they have sold without significantly damaging their ability to monitize such incentives in the future.

 

[Misty_Dark]

I can and do live without it. It doesn’t matter to me in the same sense that video games don’t ultimately matter to me, as they’re just games. It’s just a digital ship in a digital game.

None of that is really relevant to my argument though, as it’s based on principle, and I’m making it more out of trying to have an interesting discussion than with any real expectation that the ship will become available.

Based on principle? what principle is that exactly? obviously not the principle of how exclusivity, and or the principle of trust, of the principle of keeping your promises.

 

[VR CMDR Novindus]

Why is it for the game's greater good though, because you say so? Please explain what benefits exactly Elite overall will receive by going back on the exclusivity.

Are you asking me to explain how the majority of players gaining access to a spaceship in a game about flying spaceships, will have a greater positive impact than them continuing to be deprived of it, when the diminishing minority of those who already have access won’t lose that access?

I guess I just did.

 

[Misty_Dark]

What makes you say that Frontier would lose the trust of a lot of players if they made the MKIV available to all after five years of exclusivity?

Have you considered the greater positive impact it would have for the majority of the player base, and measured that against the minor negative impact for the fraction of the diminishing minority of Horizons early adopters who inexplicably defend the exclusivity today?

Would you rather trust Frontier to make decisions that have a greater positive impact for the majority of their customers, or to fail to do so because of something they stated years ago?

what greater good? how can you say that it will have a greater positive impact? What are your sources for that assessment? How do you know that it will not hurt FDev for doing what you are suggesting?

 

[Morbad]

What makes you say that Frontier would lose the trust of a lot of players if they made the MKIV available to all after five years of exclusivity?

I think exclusivity is a highly negative thing and I know removing that exclusivity would further erode my trust in Frontier's ability to keep to their agreements.

Would you rather trust Frontier to make decisions that have a greater positive impact for the majority of their customers, or to fail to do so because of something they stated years ago?

I trust Frontier about as far as I can throw the collective biomass of their employees, but failing to adhere to an agreement, even one I though was silly to offer in the first place, is not the way to improve my perception of their willingness and ability to deliver.

The degree of positive impact for going back on prior exclusivity is highly uncertain and largely subjective. The description of the products originally solid are not.

Based on principle? what principle is that exactly? obviously not the principle of how exclusivity, and or the principle of trust, of the principle of keeping your promises.

Equal opportunity for all players, as much as is practical to achive, is why, were I developing a multi-player game, never offer exclusives, or any sort of in-game advantage or difference based on when an account/license was obtained.

However, had I already screwed up and done so, I'd adhere to whatever agreements I made, both on principle, and also a Machiavellian desire to be perceived as trustworthy, for the sake of my business reputation, of course.