Let me buy the Cobra MK IV please.

Mate... you should see how we, over on ESO feel about having our striped senche tigers over shadowed by the awesome mounts you can now buy. Perhaps there is solace to take from the many reports of players stating that the [unmentionable] is not that good. But it makes one now aware that Frontier are trying to get people to jump through hoops in order to get exclusive rewards.. Ever heard of the Pigeon experiment? Social conditioning for "rewards"... in exchange for money.

All I really wanted was to be able to buy a ship, to find out about it being an exclusive thing to people who paid money at a certain time kinda stuck in my teeth and got me a little heated. So then further down the Rabbit hole, I find it's not just the Cobra that Frontier are doing this with. The assertive customer in me screams to refuse anything Frontier announce and demand that I should do in order to get a "reward". Because it makes one 'conditioned', and I refuse to be a slave.

If certain customers weren't able to jump through the hoops set by Frontier at the time they choose, they are then discriminated against for not playing ball. The Pigeon/subject/targeted customer gets no 'food'.
So why can't I and everyone else who missed that boat; share the rewards you gained, by being a kick-starter?
 
While I'd personally be pleased for you to get access - someone like me would be losing something if you did, and that something is confidence and respect in the company FDev.
I've said it before - but it's worth reiterating - FDev (and DBOBE himself) committed themselves to the C4 being a "limited reward" - and I happen to strongly believe in integrity and the freely given agreement that ought not to be disregarded or broken.

I can say with utter conviction, however, the C4 is not actually that good a ship. You're not missing much. Perhaps this was deliberate on the part of FDev - to provide something "mediocre" as a limited reward, so as not to create any imbalance between oldies and newbies.

I haven't logged on to my PC account for over 18 months, having been using my PS4 account with no access to the C4 - and I can confirm that in all that time I've never felt I'm missing out, and that after trying it on the PC account. I honestly don't understand what all the fuss is about.

So you don't play on your PC account, so dont use the c4, and you dont like the c4, but still dont want me to use it because you got the game before me? Okay, cool
 
I've already addressed that, sorry if you missed it. But I'm not going to let you learn more about it, because you didn't talk to me at a certain time, although people who did talk to me at a certain time did get to learn more about it. Sorryyyyy <shrug>

Tell me, how does that make you feel?
Superior.

Missed opportunities are the fault of those left out; not those making the offer, in the first place. There is no discrimination; because something time locked, but offered to all, cannot discriminate, who will or who won't, take up the offer.
 
So you don't play on your PC account, so dont use the c4, and you dont like the c4, but still dont want me to use it because you got the game before me? Okay, cool

IF (and I don't think it'll happen) FDev did make the ship available to all, I'd see it as them coming to their senses and I wouldn't lose faith. Anyone with an LEP or pre-order package could easily be compensated in some small way. They did it last year with regards to extras for LEP'ers because there was no paid for DLC (although I'd rather have had store credit, just saying")..

As I've said earlier on in this thread, it should have been a timed exclusive. Once Horizons was officially finished and Beyond had started then the ship should have become available to all.
 
IF (and I don't think it'll happen) FDev did make the ship available to all, I'd see it as them coming to their senses and I wouldn't lose faith. Anyone with an LEP or pre-order package could easily be compensated in some small way. They did it last year with regards to extras for LEP'ers because there was no paid for DLC (although I'd rather have had store credit, just saying")..

As I've said earlier on in this thread, it should have been a timed exclusive. Once Horizons was officially finished and Beyond had started then the ship should have become available to all.

PS4 player here, so I obviously do not have the ship in question...or any other exclusive stuff.

That bit 'easily compensated' is rather untrue. 'Compensating' your LEP folks and the like would inherently just repeat the cycle and this thread would be respawned under a different guise. Fact is exclusives are exclusives - folks like me who play PS4 are very familiar with that concept. There is some cool stuff I've gotten year(s) before anyone else, and there is some cool stuff I'll never get because I came late to the party. Just is what it is.

You want the Cobra Mk IV? I get it - so here's a deal (because I'm totally able to make you one as a player instead of the developer?) - you can buy the Cobra Mk IV when the Elite 2020 update drops.

But.

An exlcusive Medium Ship for LEP comes out at the same time.
To 'compensate'.

That's how exclusives work 'fairly' if at all. Anything more than that would be like whining to Ford you deserve a chance to buy a new 1950's Mustang Stingray because you weren't around when the chance to buy one finally passed up.
 
That's how exclusives work 'fairly' if at all. Anything more than that would be like whining to Ford you deserve a chance to buy a new 1950's Mustang Stingray because you weren't around when the chance to buy one finally passed up.

But I could buy that car from a person. But that's against frontiers rules. I would be cool to them releasing it in the future.
 
PS4 player here, so I obviously do not have the ship in question...or any other exclusive stuff.

That bit 'easily compensated' is rather untrue. 'Compensating' your LEP folks and the like would inherently just repeat the cycle and this thread would be respawned under a different guise. Fact is exclusives are exclusives - folks like me who play PS4 are very familiar with that concept. There is some cool stuff I've gotten year(s) before anyone else, and there is some cool stuff I'll never get because I came late to the party. Just is what it is.

You want the Cobra Mk IV? I get it - so here's a deal (because I'm totally able to make you one as a player instead of the developer?) - you can buy the Cobra Mk IV when the Elite 2020 update drops.

But.

An exlcusive Medium Ship for LEP comes out at the same time.
To 'compensate'.

That's how exclusives work 'fairly' if at all. Anything more than that would be like whining to Ford you deserve a chance to buy a new 1950's Mustang Stingray because you weren't around when the chance to buy one finally passed up.

All absolutely valid, sandkid but as I stated, I think it should have been a timed exclusive. I'd have less reason to invest in Saxa then :D
 
Ok look, I have the solution here, and everybody wins. However I will require from each person wanting to purchase a Cobra 4 the following:

100 gallons of diesel fuel, 14 ounces of refined, enriched Uranium-238, 2 20 pound bottles of compressed hydrogen, and 3 milligrams of anti-hydrogen.

These materials are required to power and operate my time machine, with which I will promptly return you to December 28th, 2014, at which point you can then purchase your Elite: Dangerous account and be eligible to access the Cobra 4.

You will, of course, have to live out the remained of your life in your own past, as I cannot return biological material from the past to the present without creating a fatal temporal paradox.

But at least you’ll have a C4, and Frontier’s glorious reputation will remain intact.

There will come a day, however, when you will suffer an incredible migraine headache, which will be the day you purchased your Elite account, as you will want to carry out this task at that time, but having already done it in your own past your neurons will react to this minor, self-correcting paradox, which will pass when you reconcile having already done what you are trying to do. These migraines typically last for 1 to 2 hours, but are completely debilitating until they pass.
 
Ok look, I have the solution here, and everybody wins. However I will require from each person wanting to purchase a Cobra 4 the following:

100 gallons of diesel fuel, 14 ounces of refined, enriched Uranium-238, 2 20 pound bottles of compressed hydrogen, and 3 milligrams of anti-hydrogen.

These materials are required to power and operate my time machine, with which I will promptly return you to December 28th, 2014, at which point you can then purchase your Elite: Dangerous account and be eligible to access the Cobra 4.

You will, of course, have to live out the remained of your life in your own past, as I cannot return biological material from the past to the present without creating a fatal temporal paradox.

But at least you’ll have a C4, and Frontier’s glorious reputation will remain intact.

There will come a day, however, when you will suffer an incredible migraine headache, which will be the day you purchased your Elite account, as you will want to carry out this task at that time, but having already done it in your own past your neurons will react to this minor, self-correcting paradox, which will pass when you reconcile having already done what you are trying to do. These migraines typically last for 1 to 2 hours, but are completely debilitating until they pass.
The last bit, sounds like the way most players, say they feel, after flying the Cobra IV.
 
Ok look, I have the solution here, and everybody wins. However I will require from each person wanting to purchase a Cobra 4 the following:

100 gallons of diesel fuel, 14 ounces of refined, enriched Uranium-238, 2 20 pound bottles of compressed hydrogen, and 3 milligrams of anti-hydrogen.

These materials are required to power and operate my time machine, with which I will promptly return you to December 28th, 2014, at which point you can then purchase your Elite: Dangerous account and be eligible to access the Cobra 4.

You will, of course, have to live out the remained of your life in your own past, as I cannot return biological material from the past to the present without creating a fatal temporal paradox.

But at least you’ll have a C4, and Frontier’s glorious reputation will remain intact.

There will come a day, however, when you will suffer an incredible migraine headache, which will be the day you purchased your Elite account, as you will want to carry out this task at that time, but having already done it in your own past your neurons will react to this minor, self-correcting paradox, which will pass when you reconcile having already done what you are trying to do. These migraines typically last for 1 to 2 hours, but are completely debilitating until they pass.

Sold! Where do I sign up?
 
I gave more than that and I will not tell you or anyone about that, it is inappropriate to ask someone so. I haven't received a unique decal. Next...
You claim the have been a kick-starter and the minimum donation of £5, would get you an unique decal. A decal, that those of us, who missed out; will never have.
 
Superior.

Missed opportunities are the fault of those left out; not those making the offer, in the first place. There is no discrimination; because something time locked, but offered to all, cannot discriminate, who will or who won't, take up the offer.
<sigh> One teeny tiny flaw;

There can be engagements in life which mean you cannot know about it, then miss out, then cannot get what was advertised to certain people in a certain loop. I received no email about it.
 
<sigh> One teeny tiny flaw;

There can be engagements in life which mean you cannot know about it, then miss out, then cannot get what was advertised to certain people in a certain loop. I received no email about it.
That still does not make it, discrimination.

Being as interested in Elite as you claim: Kick-starter and all that; didn't you subscribe, to said emails.

If you donated £10 you got a free emails.
 
So you don't play on your PC account, so dont use the c4, and you dont like the c4, but still dont want me to use it because you got the game before me? Okay, cool

And what about the rest of my words?

You'll find that I said I would be pleased if you had access. Please don't disregard that. I did not say what you attributed to me.

I said that I'd be pleased.
However, there is the however part... the loss of trust would be a bigger negative, a bigger negative which ought to be bothersome to you too.

I sympathise, but I can say with utter conviction, that if our roles were reversed, even if I desperately desired access to the C4, I would be mortified if FDev capitulated, because in that decision FDev would have acted dishonestly, in my opinion. And that happens to matter much more.
 
And what about the rest of my words?

You'll find that I said I would be pleased if you had access. Please don't disregard that. I did not say what you attributed to me.

I said that I'd be pleased.
However, there is the however part... the loss of trust would be a bigger negative, a bigger negative which ought to be bothersome to you too.

I sympathise, but I can say with utter conviction, that if our roles were reversed, even if I desperately desired access to the C4, I would be mortified if FDev capitulated, because in that decision FDev would have acted dishonestly, in my opinion. And that happens to matter much more.
I would understand if you were talking about the liberal democrats saying they won't raise my student loan but they do anyway. Which happened.

But we are talking about a game. A ship within a game which the people who do own dont seem to value as useful. It's really not important and shouldnt cause you any distress.

Aren't you being a little hyperbolic?
 
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