Finally I caught you with an argument that is flat out wrong. Making the Cobra IV available to all is absolutely not equal to sharing a house you were given. If it must be houses then it's that everyone else is given an own house like yours too. Your house still is yours and yours alone and will ever be.
Cobra Mk 4: open it up for everyone to buy this Xmas during Special Effect Livestream
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The launcher has several spaces for adverts, lines of text and notices. With that, the forums, newsletter, media stories etc that should be more than enough notice.
F D just need to make an additional 100 or so of the cobra IV's available for latecomers to hire in the game (like boris bikes).
Exclusive ownership will still be maintained for those already with one and there is likely to be a high turnover of the rentals as people find out it's not as good as they expected.
Exclusive ownership will still be maintained for those already with one and there is likely to be a high turnover of the rentals as people find out it's not as good as they expected.
The legitimacy of your analogy is flawed - a better one would be like a food producer agreeing to only sell meals in accordance with a certain recipe to a selected few and then later agree to sell meals in accordance with the same recipe to a wider audience. Everyone gets to eat their meal, nothing is taken away or forced on anyone, but the meals in question are no longer have "bragging rights" because of being a member of the original selected few.
As for elapsed time, I agree that is a poor justification for making it less exclusive BUT the CM4 is really not worth arguing about - if it were then there would be other issues that would adversely affect the argument over whether it should be exclusive.
CM4 is a unique but fairly balanced ship, it offers some plus points to those with access to it but nothing that should be deal breaking to anyone without access.
Sadly the launcher information is often outdated. It was even worse though earlier in the lifetime of the game.
And that sums this whole thing up. Bragging rights. That's all this debate comes down to. The Cobra IV is digital content. It's not a finite resource. It's not scarce. There's no zero-sum element here. I don't lose mine if everyone else gets access to it. The only thing I lose is the ability to say, "I have this thing you can't get."
When I first weighed in on a Cobra IV thread I thought I didn't really care that much. I was instinctively pro-release, but wasn't overly fussed.
But now I'm fussed. Because the more I read through this and the other threads the more I wonder about the ways we as people think, are trained to think, and how it underlies so much of the crap in our society. And before anyone comes at me about reading too much into this - it's only a ship in a game after all - remember all the portentous arguments about 'trust' and 'integrity' and the importance of sticking to agreements and The Principle Of The Thing, and so on, that are used to explain how the Cobra IV can't possibly ever be released or everything will fall apart.
But this is a microcosm. It's everything that's wrong with our culture. The ability to boast that you have something others can't have - something that's held out of their reach in perpetuity because they didn't benefit from some accident of circumstance that you benefited from at some past time. And that ability, that bragging right, is in itself something people are willing to place value on, monetary or otherwise. To deny a thing to others, when granting it would lose you nothing except the knowledge that you have something they can't have.
This is a game about unrestrained capitalism (not as much as EVE, maybe, but still). And the game about capitalism is great fun.
But, even at this relatively small scale, it's not so appealing outside the game.
oversimplifications. so handy!
there is at least another side of the story. it starts when frontier says "if you pay such and such now you get the exclusive chance to get this exclusive thing you won't be able to ever get again". that's a deal. people buying into this deal can indeed be put off if frontier suddenly changes that deal afterwards. they have definitively grounds to feel conned.
would they worry? maybe. i personally couldn't give a toss. should frontier worry for their reputation if they do that, if they publicly indulge in such a con? pretty much.
so this is, in practical terms, just frontier's issue. people having or not having or wanting or not wanting the cobra is pretty irrelevant. it's about frontier and their business stance and reputation.
bragging rights? for a ship? i mean, society is indeed funny, but we aren't all little spoiled kids.
Thank you. I think you just crystalised for me my thinking here. I've been struggling a bit with why there is such vehement opposition to the very notion of enabling the underclasses (those without access to the CM4) to be allowed to purchase this ship. Not to be given one, but just to be given the right to purchase one. They should "know their station" and accept that they'll just never be as good as those of us who can buy this ship. Bollox to them!
I don't know what is so hard about accepting the notion of 'cachet' in a game where half the player base are avowedly imperial in nature with all the attitudes of superiority,self-entitlement and swaggery inherent in such a system.
And to clear up some earlier misconception, not everyone in this thread who is against the idea is an owner.
My objection is solely on principle.
And to clear up some earlier misconception, not everyone in this thread who is against the idea is an owner.
My objection is solely on principle.
And not everyone who owns the Cobra IV - including me - sees any issue with others being able to buy one.
As for throwing in-game allegiance around: completely irrelevant. I play a mostly loyal Imperial subject, I bask occasionally, and I'm quite happy to use that sort of terminology and the associated concepts as part of the game, and in the spirit of playing the game. Outside of the game the notion of empire, of imperialism, of hereditary privilege, and even monarchy to some degree (I can just about put up with the British one, but have no time for the extended family and hangers-on) sickens me.
Honestly I thought I'd be likely to cop some flak for being a communist after that last post. I genuinely didn't expect it to lead to someone implying that I'm a real-life Imperial.
It may be irrelevant to you, but to ingame imperials it might mean something entirely different.
This is not about the Cobra, there is something else brooding under it. Something about elitism, being special, breaking promises and faith.
Tho I still think the bloody peasants that dint order Horizons from the get go should have no say in the matter. In fact give out top hat cosmetics for the ealy adopters so they can fly by late-coming tossers with a Cobra 4 and wave at them from their spaceleg seat.
As compensation I re-iterate my proposal to hand out leg prosthetics to the unwashed masses that refused to afford Horizons when it counted - so they can at least run after the parade of the Glorious faithful vanguard players, who really pioneered and carved the way for the unlucky ever-late passive audience.
Tho I still think the bloody peasants that dint order Horizons from the get go should have no say in the matter. In fact give out top hat cosmetics for the ealy adopters so they can fly by late-coming tossers with a Cobra 4 and wave at them from their spaceleg seat.
As compensation I re-iterate my proposal to hand out leg prosthetics to the unwashed masses that refused to afford Horizons when it counted - so they can at least run after the parade of the Glorious faithful vanguard players, who really pioneered and carved the way for the unlucky ever-late passive audience.
the game is called elite,bro.
And i disagree with your proposal.No Space legs !No E-Feet !
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(To the music of "Sound of Silence") (well, ish!)
Hello Cobra MkIV thread my old friend,
It's time to start you up again,
Because this issue softly creeping,
Left its complaint while I was sleeping,
And the hassle that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of this thread being locked as well!
Hello Cobra MkIV thread my old friend,
It's time to start you up again,
Because this issue softly creeping,
Left its complaint while I was sleeping,
And the hassle that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of this thread being locked as well!
Awesome.
Mind if I copy that whenever we get new MkIV threads?
Ok that was well done!
As for the thread being locked, it won't. This is only meant to be done for duplicate threads and simular suggestions. while the topic of this suggestion is shared amongst MANY, the 'How' is very different. be like me suggesting to add a new SRV tank, but since someone suggested a SRV motorbike my thread get's closed as a duplicate.
Ah. You're taking the . Okay, I'll stop taking you seriously, then.