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Though I've agreed with most things you've said on here, this is one I dissagree on. People shouldn't be donating anyway. This is the thing, frontier developments is a company a business. companies don't need donations, they're already financially secure (compared to the consumer) that's how they became a company. If I have nine different ships, each with paint jobs, there's no more reason for me to make any more purchases. They want more money? there needs to be more things to buy.
Cobra Mk 4: open it up for everyone to buy this Xmas during Special Effect Livestream
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That comment was about giving to charity - FDev don't get the money.
Agreed. I can see the logic and sense in this.funny, for once i blame the players for this.
the decision to make it exclusive? neither good nor bad. that was their call, nothing to blame.
i would blame them if they broke their word. not a big issue, but yeah, not good.
people that can't accept this and want the cobra4 anyway no matter what and need to create zillions of threads about it acting like spoiled kids? clearly their own fault (and/or their parents').
i see no other issue here, and no mess. just regular forum entertainment: kiddos whining and everyone spouting their deep and insightful opinion on a non-issue. here's my contribution
Simple greed, combined with a form of jealousy. You're right.
OK. I blame F.D. for making such a desirable ship.
Oh my bad. Total misunderstanding
the ships only desirable because it's exclusive no one actually cares if it's useless. But if it wasn't exclusive no one would want it at all. That being said I really want it but only because I can't have itAgreed. I can see the logic and sense in this.
Simple greed, combined with a form of jealousy. You're right.
OK. I blame F.D. for making such a desirable ship.
The argument is that because Frontier said a thing several years ago that thing represents a binding contract, a mandate that cannot be overridden even by the parties who initially signed the contract. Whether or not the offer that was made and the act of taking up the offer actually constitute a 'contract' of any meaningful sort is another issue.
But the main thrust is that it doesn't matter if conditions have changed over the last three years, or whatever; it doesn't matter whether the parties involved have now changed their minds. What was said then is now and forever inviolable writ and, no matter what the changes or disadvantages that have since or may still come to light, the original terms cannot and must not be altered lest the entire concept of trust itself is irrevocably destroyed.
Actually, that...
Hmmm.
No, sorry. Carry on.
I don't think that's correct. If all parties agree to void a term it can be done. Im guessing it happens all the time. Its been a while since I looked at contact law but I'm strongly suspecting you can do that.
Also, if there is a contract of sale (a real legal one), frontier could argue, and it might contain language, saying its the only contract thats valid for the sale and I doubt the cobra 4 is in it. Steam might have something similar too that is binding that also doesn't mention the cobra 4.
For any legal proceedings that some really unimaginable people would then take against frontier, they would have to argue for damages and demand compensation. Try coming up with that. Say the person and the world was really screwed up.. the language of David Brabens statement makes it even less likely, the cobra 4 was offers as a "thank you", a token of gratitude more than something that was enticing people by increasing the value of what was being purchased. Horizons, not the cobra 4, was what was being sold.
Let your own nasty retentiveness hit you on the way out anyone who actually thinks exclusivity is valuable there.
Interesting seeing some of the debates here.
What it seems people don't understand is that people will ALWAYS want this ship....Always. no matter how much it is disregarded there will be those who want it. and since ED is not some CoD yearly Churn-out game that gets hype until it is almost immediately replaced. the addition of an exclusive item was perhaps the most illogical and flawed decision FDev could have made...I mean honestly, did they not think anyone will buy the game YEARS down the track???!!!
I Believe FDev has learned their lesson though, I highly doubt they will ever offer an exclusive ship again. it will likely be things like ARX and Credits on offer (a bump that is not unique but still adequate, no one is going to complain down the tack about "where is ma exclusive ARX Whaaaa!!!!!"
For my view, I do like this idea if the Cobra MK4 was used solely for charity purposes. it would really help bring more attention to the cause. however the said 'villainization' of those who complain was a bit unfair... people have a right to convey their opinion on the matter.
I made an alternate suggestion before, that is to just "Chieftain" the design out... original owners still keep their Original MK4 rights, but the rest of the player base gets to have a slightly different version. While there will still be those who want the original model, a majority of the community will be sated at least. (for example for me, I want it not because it is exclusive, but that it is a truly unique ship at current. if something 'like' it was added then that would be a different story)
What it seems people don't understand is that people will ALWAYS want this ship....Always. no matter how much it is disregarded there will be those who want it. and since ED is not some CoD yearly Churn-out game that gets hype until it is almost immediately replaced. the addition of an exclusive item was perhaps the most illogical and flawed decision FDev could have made...I mean honestly, did they not think anyone will buy the game YEARS down the track???!!!
I Believe FDev has learned their lesson though, I highly doubt they will ever offer an exclusive ship again. it will likely be things like ARX and Credits on offer (a bump that is not unique but still adequate, no one is going to complain down the tack about "where is ma exclusive ARX Whaaaa!!!!!"
For my view, I do like this idea if the Cobra MK4 was used solely for charity purposes. it would really help bring more attention to the cause. however the said 'villainization' of those who complain was a bit unfair... people have a right to convey their opinion on the matter.
I made an alternate suggestion before, that is to just "Chieftain" the design out... original owners still keep their Original MK4 rights, but the rest of the player base gets to have a slightly different version. While there will still be those who want the original model, a majority of the community will be sated at least. (for example for me, I want it not because it is exclusive, but that it is a truly unique ship at current. if something 'like' it was added then that would be a different story)
FDev had the perfect opportunity to address one of the major 'issues' with the Cobra IV exclusivity - the fact that it has more optional slots than any other small ship. This is frequently cited as a reason that it isn't 'fair' that people can't have it.
If they'd given it one extra size 2 slot in April, rather than the two extra size 1s that all the other small ships got, this disparity would have been addressed and everybody could have got on with their lives.
The Cobra IV would have got the same capacity boost as the other ships, new players can't buy it anyway, and anyone who resets their save and feels the need to fit an ADC and an SCA to a Cobra IV deserves to have their exclusivity revoked
It seems like a workable solution to me, but I'm sure someone will be along to tell me why it's rubbish - probably citing HRPs or limpet controllers.
If they'd given it one extra size 2 slot in April, rather than the two extra size 1s that all the other small ships got, this disparity would have been addressed and everybody could have got on with their lives.
The Cobra IV would have got the same capacity boost as the other ships, new players can't buy it anyway, and anyone who resets their save and feels the need to fit an ADC and an SCA to a Cobra IV deserves to have their exclusivity revoked
It seems like a workable solution to me, but I'm sure someone will be along to tell me why it's rubbish - probably citing HRPs or limpet controllers.
FDev had the perfect opportunity to address one of the major 'issues' with the Cobra IV exclusivity - the fact that it has more optional slots than any other small ship. This is frequently cited as a reason that it isn't 'fair' that people can't have it.
If they'd given it one extra size 2 slot in April, rather than the two extra size 1s that all the other small ships got, this disparity would have been addressed and everybody could have got on with their lives.
The Cobra IV would have got the same capacity boost as the other ships, new players can't buy it anyway, and anyone who resets their save and feels the need to fit an ADC and an SCA to a Cobra IV deserves to have their exclusivity revoked
It seems like a workable solution to me, but I'm sure someone will be along to tell me why it's rubbish - probably citing HRPs or limpet controllers.
Your solution isn't rubbish, its just that the cobraconda wouldn't be a little anaconda in small size then. Besides the anaconda has 12 slots now, so its merely on relative par with the Federal Corvette, Python and Type-10 Defender. The beluga has more slots, 10 slots is a boring standard these days. Nothing to see here
Your solution isn't rubbish, its just that the cobraconda wouldn't be a little anaconda in small size then. Besides the anaconda has 12 slots now, so its merely on relative par with the Federal Corvette, Python and Type-10 Defender. The beluga has more slots, 10 slots is a boring standard these days. Nothing to see here
I've never been obsessed with slot count - 4 is enough to carry everything I care about. I'd rather to Cobra IV had been given a size 2 and a few tons taken off the hull weight. Baby needs to go on a diet.
We can't let just everyone have it.
As someone said before, it's the perfect ship for 5th column power play.
As someone said before, it's the perfect ship for 5th column power play.
Slots matter a lot when building a miner or a material collector utility boat. For the latter a small footprint for landing is desirable. The Cobra IV fits that like no other ship in the entire game.
Dolphin? Better slots and faster...
okay
Not enough gun, one size 3 slot converted to a third size 2, only 9 total slots, because it's got a single size 5 where the Cobra IV has two size 4. So no, the Cobra has the better slots.
As a material collector I'd definitely prefer the Dolphin
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Edit: the Dolphin is way faster, has a third utility (at the top, for anti-sentinel PD) and a size 5 fuel scoop.
As a mining vessel the Dolphin doesn't work granted, due to no c2 hardpoints. But I wouldn't use a small for that anyways, either a medium to sell at outposts (Phantom) or a large for maximum capacity.
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As a mining vessel the MK IV would primarily serve new players well, exactly those who can't get it.
A new player won't have mining lances and prismatics though
It's a good small mining ship, I don't disagree on that. But new players can get the MkIII which is nearly as good and way more survivable due to high speed.
And new players can't have it. Deal's a deal is a deal a deal deal deal
It's a good small mining ship, I don't disagree on that. But new players can get the MkIII which is nearly as good and way more survivable due to high speed.
And new players can't have it. Deal's a deal is a deal a deal deal deal
MK III has way too little cargo space once all tools are fitted. I won't stop campaigning for lifting the exclusiveness of the MK IV, enough time is enough.