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This thread will descend into a vile mess now that dogs are involved. People only love dogs more than cars. Not being able to take a dog on holiday is going to create wars.
General / Off-Topic Electric cars are stupid.
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Robert Maynard
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The car has done over 100,000 miles in my time owning it (a little over 6 years).
If I / we had had to use public transport for all trips then we'd have spent well over the cost of purchase, insurance, tyres, servicing, repairs....
Maintenence costs for a modern car are relatively low, running costs with far more efficient engines also. The purchase of any vehicle is a luxury, but more often one that has been budgeted for ahead of purchase. Over the (average) 4 to 5 years I keep a car, had I been using alternative (public) transport I believe this would have cost considerably more than the purchase (& subsequent resell) and maintenance/fuel... Public transport is a luxury in comparison!
The computation will depend on many other factors, the available services for the particular line, how much you stopped while you used your car, the cost of the public transport, etc.
Sorry, take the assessment as accurate... possibly from those who actually know?
Both @Robert Maynard and I posted almost exactly the same comment individually - coincidence? Or first-hand experience?
They could be correct assesments, that doesn't change what I said earlier, what is true for you might not be for me (I'm just waiting for someone to take that out of context).
But in both of our cases they are correct assessments, of course if everything is within walking distance then the assessment would be fundamentally incorrect. It is a little pointless to argue the toss between differing circumstances as each has their relevance.
You are a contemptuous person for the billions of people who do not have a cars.
You still have a lot to learn from the life.
If you believe that a car is the only way to enjoy the freedom and the beauty of the life, I pity you for the poverty of your imagination and your intrinsic value.
Your post is simply scandalous and contemptuous.
Robert Maynard
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Indeed - the devil is in the detail.
There is also a QoL "cost" associated with using local public transport, i.e. time, e.g. time of day during which public transport runs, how long between successive buses or train, time between services if one would require to get one or more of any form of public transport to get from ones departure point to ones destination.
Then there's the fact that public transport only runs along specific routes - so if one wants to go somewhere not close to a route then it becomes even more time consuming - and expensive, if a taxi needs to be used for the last part (or even the whole of) the journey.
.... and using a taxi is no better, in this context, than using ones own car.
No, a taxi is used more intensively than a car and serves many people, a personal car is used by whoever purchased it and a few relatives on limited times of the day.
No, there's nothing contemptuous whatsoever about my post, just facts. Your world, factually speaking, is absolutely tiny if depending solely on public transportation to the extent where you don't have or need a car. With a car, your world is much much larger. How could you even argue against that point and expect to be taken seriously?You are a contemptuous person for the billions of people who do not have a cars.
You still have a lot to learn from the life.
If you believe that a car is the only way to enjoy the freedom and the beauty of the life, I pity you for the poverty of your imagination and your intrinsic value.
Your post is simply scandalous and contemptuous.
It's ok if you have opinions Jason but what you said is not a fact.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
A taxi used intensively is at least as polluting as a car (taking into account the idling time, waiting for a fare). Taxis would also seem to not last very long - due to the rate at which they accrue mileage.
.... and a taxi ride is significantly more expensive than "public" transport.
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Baloney. You anti-car, anti economy hand wringing manmade climate change doomsayers can tell yourselves that all you want, most likely because none of you have cars so what else are you going to say, really? But your leg power, or bicycle or public transportation is only going to get you a handful of meters from your point of origin, while I can get off the keyboard right now and into my car and be anywhere in the country I care to be by this time tomorrow (with my legs and bicycles, mind you). Sounds pretty factual to me.
Where I used to live there was a bus to the local town, one return trip on Tuesday and another on Friday, used in the main by pensioners getting their pensions and shopping, anyone of working age had cars as the hamlet had no employment opportunity to offer anyone.
The nearest town (with a supermarket/bank/shops) was 3 miles away, the nearest general store shop only 2 miles and apart from the town the nearest Public House also 2 miles...
I love the arguments, but public transport is not always either convenient or available.
The nearest town (with a supermarket/bank/shops) was 3 miles away, the nearest general store shop only 2 miles and apart from the town the nearest Public House also 2 miles...
I love the arguments, but public transport is not always either convenient or available.
I do not dispute the point that a vehicle (car, bus, train, bike, motorcycle etc ...) expand the horizon.
I did not like your analogy with the rats.
For the rest, I remember my tour of Morocco by train and bus, starting from the north of France and crossing Spain and the Strait of Gibraltar.
I went from Europe to Africa without a car. And I did not feel like my space was tiny.
No, it takes a lot of energy (and thus pollution) to create a car so the more use it is given, the proportion of pollution per unit time decreases as cars (and well, anything) decays even without use. And yes, using a taxi is more expensive than public transport, that's why you only use them when you actually need them.
But your proof that your statement is a fact is factually incorrect, I can get very far away with public transportation systems, certainly more than a "handful of meters" and you can't get anywhere in the country in 24 hours with a car.
This is totally false.
Correct, I said it before, if you need a car, use it, the thing is, many people think they need it when they don't.
Yes for example to go get a bread or newspaper at 200 meters from home.