General / Off-Topic Cowardly Gillette Walks it Back

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Does this mean that women to disagreed with the add ?

Interesting!
With an 8 billion dollar write down I'd say that is a big yes there. Plenty of women love and appreciate men and don't want to see them denigrated, and also plenty of mother's of son's don't want to see them forced into a world where they are expected to act like soy boys and God help them if they ever run for office or a powerful position because the metoo movement will be right along with their false allegations to take them down.

@XloubellXX, what a crummy view of the world. There is far and away more good and decency in the world than bad. A civilization doesn't have to be Utopia in order to be considered successful and worthy, and it's incredibly limited on multiple fronts to suggest otherwise. And if you think that the job is done in regards to being willing to club people in the heads then you are sadly mistaken. All that's going to happen after western civ finishes the job of ifying the next generation of boys until they behave like docile neutered dogs is that the evils in the rest of the world will come crawling back like hyena's from the shadows, but this time there won't be anyone around to beat them back.
 
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But the job of getting it out of the blocks has been done. No more need for clubbing each other over the head.

Look around at the world men preside over. Full of war, death and famine. Great job men.

However we can see that there are more and more women in positions of responsibility.

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at some point of my life i discovered that a simple cutter is all i need, once every two weeks (or a month if i'm lazy), at 0 for my head, at 5 or 0 for my beard.

shaving is actually a pleasant activity, but having to shave every day ... screw this.
 
I rather liked their ad. It's unfortunate, but not all that surprising, that people reacted so negatively to it.

People referring to it as a 'toxic masculinity' campaign are being deliberately misleading. The whole point was not to label men as toxic, but rather misogyny and lack of empathy as toxic. Big difference. That kind of nuance is easily lost in this hyper-partisan culture we're in, though.

So yeah - bad on Gillette if they're walking back, but not because they were wrong in the first place.

Unfortunately, even if they had the best intentions in mind, it was awfully executed. You don't fight stereotypes with stereotypes. You don't need misandry to fight misogyny.
Are there horrible mens like the ones depicted in the add? Absolutely, and they should be called for their rudeness. But thanklfully they seem to be a digressing minority. Should we lower our guard? Absolutely not. But depicting a whole gender with the worst stereotypes, its not very tactfull, even more so when the company that made this add have this gender as its primary customer.

And if that was not their intent, well they should hire another add company. Because they clearly don't know how to do it.
 
Look around at the world men preside over. Full of war, death and famine. Great job men.

Very much a stereo type there and maybe a sexist one to both men and women. Read the below article.
We are supposed to be entering into an era of perceived equality between men and women yet your comment is both misogynistic and Misandristic.
This is part of the problem with virtue signaling in PC culture, people think their words are progressive but thay are infact the opposite.

As Caprioli notes: ‘Women leaders can indeed be forceful when confronted with violent, aggressive and dangerous international situations.’ But they can also be aggressive in the cause of peace. It is, indeed, a stereotype to dismiss women as inherently peaceable. As Swanwick wrote in The Future of the Women’s Movement (1913): ‘I wish to disclaim altogether the kind of assumption … in feminist talk of the present day.’ That is, ‘the assumption that men have been the barbarians who loved physical force, and that women alone were civilised and civilising. There are no signs of this in literature or history.’

https://aeon.co/ideas/would-the-world-be-more-peaceful-if-there-were-more-women-leaders
 
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Oh aye, gimmie a shout when it gets to 50%.

Here in France, the national assembly is pretty gender even.

While I'm all for equal opportunities, I don't like the idea of quotas. Personally I don't care of the color of the skin, its gender, religion or origin. What I want is competent people. If someone dismiss a competent men, just because he was unfortunate to be born a male, or straight. And you then bestow big responsibilities to an incompetent woman, just to fill a quota. Doesn't that go against the principle of equal opportunities?
 
No it’s not a joke.

There is no war on perceived male qualities, though that clearly depends on your definition of those qualities.

It did not ask decent men to be ashamed of themselves, it highlighted the shameful behaviour of all men.
that's what it meant to say, since how they portray these things really imply as such. You'd have to be blind, deaf and look the other way to not see this
 
But the job of getting it out of the blocks has been done. No more need for clubbing each other over the head.

Look around at the world men preside over. Full of war, death and famine. Great job men.
Women too, if we're supposed to be equal then women are just as responsible.


I mean, not too on topic, but Eve fucced it all up for everybody.

Yes, that Eve. Same with many other and more recent historical things, but that's something that'd derail this thread too much if I start discussing here and now.
 
Very much a stereo type there and maybe a sexist one to both men and women. Read the below article.



https://aeon.co/ideas/would-the-world-be-more-peaceful-if-there-were-more-women-leaders

It is a fact that for 99% of human history men have been the dominant gender. I read an article once about when men leaders make a compassionate decision, they’re applauded for it, it was argued that if a woman leader had done the same she would have been called emotional.

It went on to say women leaders in business and govt are often viewed with scepticism by men who believe they are too emotional to make good decisions, the bounce back of that is that some women will then start to take much harsher decisions in order to out men the men.

Anyway, my main point is, with most govts and businesses being run by men, historically, presently and for the foreseeable future, men are in no danger of being subjugated by women as men have done to them.
 
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