Old Gamerz Unite!

Although at 61 and at the higher age end of the gamer scale, I've found as I've gotten substantially older, my gaming tastes have certainly changed. Gone are the days of enjoying the adversarial, competitive pew fests of Tribes 2 and the like as I did a few moons ago...now a good story along with my gaming fix is my preferred option... things like RDR2, Witcher 3...those kinda things. I just simply can't be bothered with the endless chest beating competition bonanza any more.

Seems losing a bit of testosterone has granted me patience ;)

It's not just you, I'm only 53 and absolutely dislike fps games now, once in a while my son gets me into a 1v1 playing cod, I don't even see him coming and I loose 10 out of 10 and he's only using a knife.

I've redirected my interest in the more managable games like you, RDR2, Assassin's Creed, Ed, NMS, Xcom2, etc.
As far as I can oversee I'll be playing games until my end of time.
Started in the late seventies with a ZX Spectrum but still far from ready to give up.
 
My dad before he died was in his late 80's to his 90th year and still played his WW II flying games. He even had a flight joystick which I never even had to date. So yeah, it's not even a new trend. When he was in his 60's he was playing games on his PS 1 and I was so jealous of his computer and all the fun games he could play, when all I had was a C-64...
 
I live close to some farm acres and one of the farmers has cleared one of his fields for the RC crowd. I come by often on my tours and theres always people there "playing with their toys" only that some of these toys are worth 4 digits and aint small anymore. Also the people at the controls are usually folks older then me, sometimes bringing their grandchildren with em. RC is more accepted then video gaming or at least I feel like it is but its the same sequence.

People develop an interest and get into their hobby - at some point the playing becomes more "serious" - more money becomes available and is invested into the hobby - you stick to what you like to high ages until you cant do it anymore for various reasons.

I regularly meet 75+ year olds on their bicycles....not racing anymore certainly but just doing what they love. I ll probably have to cut the trails at some point but otherwise I have also already put thousands of euros into cycling and I wanne say "more time then is good for me" but with that hobby thats not the case (tree trunks for legs cough)
 
That usually cracks me up. Younger generations are all...."what you are 30? aint you dead already?lulz" when you meet em in FPS or other multiplayer games but fail to recognize that its even older people providing all the games they find so "awesomesauce" :)

When I started gaming there was no internet and multiplayer was called LAN-party. I was always a kid amongst kids, adults never really ventured into my turf or better said...I never had any contact with any. So naturally I see myself as one of the "old" when in reality I am anything but (45 but whos counting hehe). Today I just know that I enjoy gaming as much as I did 30 years ago and I hope I ll have the dexterity as well as the mental capacity to play video games in another 30 years. Like others have mentioned my taste has changed a lot since my younger years and today I have the luxury to pick games out of an overwhelming supply when back then you simply played whatever you could get your hands on.

Looking over my steam (and other platforms...) library I cant wait for retirement when I finally will have the time to play most of the games properly I never even installed yet (damn you Humble).
LAN party HAR HAR, no WHEN I was a kid we had awesome games like put a tail on a donkey, or who points the bottle on, or let’s go fishing, or steal apples from the grumpy neighbor 😆 then we got the ZX81, and it was AWESOME, there was a game called PONG 😳 the graphics, the frame rate, I mean OMG 😲 we could play for hours 🤫 then the ZX Spectrum came along, then the C64, C128 and THEN the AMIGA 🤩

Our parties 🎉 was copy copy copy copy micro disk 🤪 mine mine mine they are all mine 😍 sadly I gave it all away and regret it even today.
 
I live close to some farm acres and one of the farmers has cleared one of his fields for the RC crowd. I come by often on my tours and theres always people there "playing with their toys" only that some of these toys are worth 4 digits and aint small anymore. Also the people at the controls are usually folks older then me, sometimes bringing their grandchildren with em. RC is more accepted then video gaming or at least I feel like it is but its the same sequence.

People develop an interest and get into their hobby - at some point the playing becomes more "serious" - more money becomes available and is invested into the hobby - you stick to what you like to high ages until you cant do it anymore for various reasons.

I regularly meet 75+ year olds on their bicycles....not racing anymore certainly but just doing what they love. I ll probably have to cut the trails at some point but otherwise I have also already put thousands of euros into cycling and I wanne say "more time then is good for me" but with that hobby thats not the case (tree trunks for legs cough)

Playing videogames definitly isn't my most expensive hobby.
For years I've lost my heart at circuit racing, nothing professional mind you, I live close to a race track and for a couple euros you get acces to it and you can run time attacks etc.
My brother and I recently bought two older Japanese cars and we try to squeeze out every bhp we can.
My Mazda 6 mps now delivers somewhere between 325 and 340 bhp, it costs a lot but it's so much fun, untill you blow something up that is lol.
Cars, ugh, I love them but they cost even more then my wife.......
 
Playing videogames definitly isn't my most expensive hobby.
For years I've lost my heart at circuit racing, nothing professional mind you, I live close to a race track and for a couple euros you get acces to it and you can run time attacks etc.
My brother and I recently bought two older Japanese cars and we try to squeeze out every bhp we can.
My Mazda 6 mps now delivers somewhere between 325 and 340 bhp, it costs a lot but it's so much fun, untill you blow something up that is lol.
Cars, ugh, I love them but they cost even more then my wife.......
Gaming is nowhere near as expensive as my other hobby...but at least I can earn a few shillings from it too on occasion.

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LAN party HAR HAR, no WHEN I was a kid we had awesome games like put a tail on a donkey, or who points the bottle on, or let’s go fishing, or steal apples from the grumpy neighbor 😆 then we got the ZX81, and it was AWESOME, there was a game called PONG 😳 the graphics, the frame rate, I mean OMG 😲 we could play for hours 🤫 then the ZX Spectrum came along, then the C64, C128 and THEN the AMIGA 🤩

Our parties 🎉 was copy copy copy copy micro disk 🤪 mine mine mine they are all mine 😍 sadly I gave it all away and regret it even today.

Thats really the big difference between us both mate. You are a generation ahead of me and even tho we are both gamers you grew up in a word where there was no computers available amd "playing" meant some form of physical activity. Me, I started out that way at a very young age (up to 7 or 8 I think) but as soon as I got my hands on my very first Commodore 64 I spent my summers behind closed doors in my room...still remember the days in the park tho. But even before that I had some kind of console with PONG as you say and other cancer-sound cardrige games :)

Also that was effectively the time when I stopped seeing girls outside school :)
 
Of course how and how much you spent your money is a personal decision based on taste and interest but I ve had various forms of hobbies over the years tho video games always were the most time consuming and biggest part. I m not sure how much longer thats going to be the case. I constantly evaluate my return values for time spent in everything I do...probably a subconcious thing.

Every hobby provides entertainment and its usually more up to you personally rather then how much money you spend as to how much entertainment you can glean off it. While I have given up running and competeing I dont regret doing those years back. You could come in last on the track but as long as you gave everything the race itself and even the training beforehand WAS the reward. Sure I was disappointed when I didnt score a medal or position but I cant say I ever told myself "you just wasted months of your life for this".

And I cant say that video games were any different. Of course video games back then were designed to be played and eventually cracked. Determination and sometimes puzzling was required to beat the hardest games and tho it lies years in the past I cannot say I feel that any of those summers spent inside were "wasted". I learned english (cuz publishing in germany was non-existent so I had to rely on imports) before it was offered in school, my manual dexterity went through the roof and my "sitting stamina" was EPIC :D

These days things have shifted. Games are only secondarily designed as entertainment and primarily as a means for profit. Often enough entertainment is hidden behind a paywall forcing you to spend unproportional amounts of your time for any kind of progress trying to make you spend money. The constant teasing and avdertising to that effect make me very grumpy and really ruin my enjoyment. I always felt that in games like Everquest and World of Warcraft, tho I spent hundreds (I m kidding.....its probably thousands) of hours in each I logged off and was going to sleep (or school...depending) always having the feeling I "did something" with my time.

MMOs after that changed that perception and I m not sure its because I grew old. Modern MMOs make me feel like I spend 4 hours of my freetime doing something mundane "preparing" for some future activity but eventually making me log off feeling like I wasted my time especially because I get bombarded with micro-transactions and advertisement at every corner.

I pretty much have given up watching telly because movies that hold my interest are cut to shreds in order to squeeze in some more ads. Its pretty much an ad break every 10-15 minutes now, always the same ones on a loop and I find myself getting really aggrevated when I do watch it (with my wife who surprisingly can blend it all out without much effort). Its basically a waste of my time because I am forced to sit in place for 2 hours for a 45 minute movie or documentary...its insane.

P2W and microtransactions were always a nuisance for me because I felt it was like cheating for people who paid for it but I was able to blend it out early on. That is pretty much impossible today when you get your first ads while the game is loading and every menu triggers a prompt pointing you to the current "hot deal". I go through it but I dont forget it and it waters down my enjoyment. I already avoid games that are so riddled with it or are based on player-generated content (pretty much every battle royale or FPS game today) because I feel like I m turning hulk after a short while.

Victories are meaningless today....just a tiny step on the everlasting "progress-spiral" and the moment you hit the top oh surprise another DLC comes up adding a few steps. Gone are the times where you could just "finish" a game and turn to another one. Worse...often enough I get the feelling that DLCs sold at full price were meant to be part of the original release all along but cut out in order to be sold seperately because the base games today dont offer all that much aside visuals. Content comes with DLC and I often wonder how little there is to do in the base package if you refuse to dig deeper for any of the "editions" or seasons passes.


Errrr...I need to stop myself ranting :)

So hobbies are something I do either with a goal in mind or because they provide the entertainment I want (or distraction if you will). Either way I usually spend money (and trust me...always the least possible amount tho cycling is a difficult topic...anything lower then XT is really not worth the cash with what I do...learned from experience) and have the feeling I GOT something for my money. A "goody" feeling about myself either pride or accomplishment or physical possession equal to your expenses.

And when it comes to video games I pretty much only connect those things to earlier memories anymore....not to todays gaming. I still have a few games left I enjoy out of that massive game library I picked up but it becomes harder and harder to find games that provide what I crave. My reaction time and manual dexterity decreasing shouldnt be a factor because even with low values in each there are genres where they are not important. Its just that video games today are designed to leave you with a shallow experience and nothing you could call "your property". No physical box, no bonus goodies, not your account and certainly not your time spent.

Some hobbies I "outgrew" over the years. Some others I hope to keep until I keel over but with video games...I dont know (and am a bit worried) how long that ride is going to last. Not because of me but because of how video games today are made and sold.
 
Thats really the big difference between us both mate. You are a generation ahead of me and even tho we are both gamers you grew up in a word where there was no computers available amd "playing" meant some form of physical activity. Me, I started out that way at a very young age (up to 7 or 8 I think) but as soon as I got my hands on my very first Commodore 64 I spent my summers behind closed doors in my room...still remember the days in the park tho. But even before that I had some kind of console with PONG as you say and other cancer-sound cardrige games :)

Also that was effectively the time when I stopped seeing girls outside school :)
Hah, yea, up the age of 12 it was physical activity and then I got a C64...Yea...seeing girls after the age of 13...I know that pain...just one more level...
 
yeah jus saying the stigma of "computer nerds" and "girls/women".....totally justified in my memory :)

And cheers on the gamer wife. My own wife first came to my attention when she brought Elite print-outs to school to go over in breaks....yeah the moving-lines-on-a-black-screen version :)
 
Of course how and how much you spent your money is a personal decision based on taste and interest but I ve had various forms of hobbies over the years tho video games always were the most time consuming and biggest part. I m not sure how much longer thats going to be the case. I constantly evaluate my return values for time spent in everything I do...probably a subconcious thing.

Every hobby provides entertainment and its usually more up to you personally rather then how much money you spend as to how much entertainment you can glean off it. While I have given up running and competeing I dont regret doing those years back. You could come in last on the track but as long as you gave everything the race itself and even the training beforehand WAS the reward. Sure I was disappointed when I didnt score a medal or position but I cant say I ever told myself "you just wasted months of your life for this".

And I cant say that video games were any different. Of course video games back then were designed to be played and eventually cracked. Determination and sometimes puzzling was required to beat the hardest games and tho it lies years in the past I cannot say I feel that any of those summers spent inside were "wasted". I learned english (cuz publishing in germany was non-existent so I had to rely on imports) before it was offered in school, my manual dexterity went through the roof and my "sitting stamina" was EPIC :D

These days things have shifted. Games are only secondarily designed as entertainment and primarily as a means for profit. Often enough entertainment is hidden behind a paywall forcing you to spend unproportional amounts of your time for any kind of progress trying to make you spend money. The constant teasing and avdertising to that effect make me very grumpy and really ruin my enjoyment. I always felt that in games like Everquest and World of Warcraft, tho I spent hundreds (I m kidding.....its probably thousands) of hours in each I logged off and was going to sleep (or school...depending) always having the feeling I "did something" with my time.

MMOs after that changed that perception and I m not sure its because I grew old. Modern MMOs make me feel like I spend 4 hours of my freetime doing something mundane "preparing" for some future activity but eventually making me log off feeling like I wasted my time especially because I get bombarded with micro-transactions and advertisement at every corner.

I pretty much have given up watching telly because movies that hold my interest are cut to shreds in order to squeeze in some more ads. Its pretty much an ad break every 10-15 minutes now, always the same ones on a loop and I find myself getting really aggrevated when I do watch it (with my wife who surprisingly can blend it all out without much effort). Its basically a waste of my time because I am forced to sit in place for 2 hours for a 45 minute movie or documentary...its insane.

P2W and microtransactions were always a nuisance for me because I felt it was like cheating for people who paid for it but I was able to blend it out early on. That is pretty much impossible today when you get your first ads while the game is loading and every menu triggers a prompt pointing you to the current "hot deal". I go through it but I dont forget it and it waters down my enjoyment. I already avoid games that are so riddled with it or are based on player-generated content (pretty much every battle royale or FPS game today) because I feel like I m turning hulk after a short while.

Victories are meaningless today....just a tiny step on the everlasting "progress-spiral" and the moment you hit the top oh surprise another DLC comes up adding a few steps. Gone are the times where you could just "finish" a game and turn to another one. Worse...often enough I get the feelling that DLCs sold at full price were meant to be part of the original release all along but cut out in order to be sold seperately because the base games today dont offer all that much aside visuals. Content comes with DLC and I often wonder how little there is to do in the base package if you refuse to dig deeper for any of the "editions" or seasons passes.


Errrr...I need to stop myself ranting :)

So hobbies are something I do either with a goal in mind or because they provide the entertainment I want (or distraction if you will). Either way I usually spend money (and trust me...always the least possible amount tho cycling is a difficult topic...anything lower then XT is really not worth the cash with what I do...learned from experience) and have the feeling I GOT something for my money. A "goody" feeling about myself either pride or accomplishment or physical possession equal to your expenses.

And when it comes to video games I pretty much only connect those things to earlier memories anymore....not to todays gaming. I still have a few games left I enjoy out of that massive game library I picked up but it becomes harder and harder to find games that provide what I crave. My reaction time and manual dexterity decreasing shouldnt be a factor because even with low values in each there are genres where they are not important. Its just that video games today are designed to leave you with a shallow experience and nothing you could call "your property". No physical box, no bonus goodies, not your account and certainly not your time spent.

Some hobbies I "outgrew" over the years. Some others I hope to keep until I keel over but with video games...I dont know (and am a bit worried) how long that ride is going to last. Not because of me but because of how video games today are made and sold.

I think all that depends on the mindset - see Elite's grinders. Or in World of Warships.
I play for fun, and while the MMO competitive part sometimes do upset me, gaming still remains a relaxing experience and I don't give a flying biowaste about FOMO and all that mind control.
Also, there are fantastic single player games out there. I just discovered, that newer Assassin Creed titles hold fantastic amount of gameplay, story and exploration. Playing through the story and closing it is pretty satisfying. And the graphics is insane!

Sure, today's games are plagued with stuff like lootboxes, but it is still easy to sidestep those. When people complain about grind - just remember older platformers with three lives, how many times we had to play through the same entry levels to get back to the point of failure.... There was never a better time for gaming!

My wife's not a gamer, but she doesn't mind me doing it. She keeps full control over the tv that way. ;)

All my friends who used to game got turned down by their wifes - often it is not outright 'ban', but making them think so. They have 'grown up', have 'responsibilites', and otherwise probably need to spend some 'quality' time togethr in front of the TV.
Fortunately my wife is also a bit introverted, so both of us needs a bit of time every day - once the kids go to bed, it is 'me time'.
 
I think all that depends on the mindset - see Elite's grinders. Or in World of Warships.
I play for fun, and while the MMO competitive part sometimes do upset me, gaming still remains a relaxing experience and I don't give a flying biowaste about FOMO and all that mind control.
Also, there are fantastic single player games out there. I just discovered, that newer Assassin Creed titles hold fantastic amount of gameplay, story and exploration. Playing through the story and closing it is pretty satisfying. And the graphics is insane!

Sure, today's games are plagued with stuff like lootboxes, but it is still easy to sidestep those. When people complain about grind - just remember older platformers with three lives, how many times we had to play through the same entry levels to get back to the point of failure.... There was never a better time for gaming!



All my friends who used to game got turned down by their wifes - often it is not outright 'ban', but making them think so. They have 'grown up', have 'responsibilites', and otherwise probably need to spend some 'quality' time togethr in front of the TV.
Fortunately my wife is also a bit introverted, so both of us needs a bit of time every day - once the kids go to bed, it is 'me time'.

I grew up a while back.. I've decided to 'grow down' now. ;)
 
Its kids stuff....

Its the same with men who gamed in their youth but never made it a "hobby". They become "adults", get "serious", have to do "really important things" and consider video games something for the young and small. Females who made video games their hobby will understand and maybe even support it. I m really glad I have such a wife. I see in other couples how that hobby is looked down upon, the (usually) man doesnt have anybody he can share his stories with and friends circle dont discuss games at all
 
Its kids stuff....

Its the same with men who gamed in their youth but never made it a "hobby". They become "adults", get "serious", have to do "really important things" and consider video games something for the young and small. Females who made video games their hobby will understand and maybe even support it. I m really glad I have such a wife. I see in other couples how that hobby is looked down upon, the (usually) man doesnt have anybody he can share his stories with and friends circle dont discuss games at all

So true, when I'm at a birthday and tell people I like gaming they look at me as if I got stuck in my teens.
Some even look or treat you as if you're not all there and never grew up, never behaved like an adult and work on my career.

And then they hear I'm retired at 49 and financially independent.
 
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Playing video games is just like any other hobby/pastime. You do it because you enjoy it.

edit: and you can get rich doing it too!
 
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thats the thing and something I totally missed.

Video games always were a creative outlet for me, filling time with something more active then simply zombifying in front of the TV. And because all I had were my friends I never realized how large the gaming community in total is. I always felt like I was in a minority because most people around me didnt play video games. The internet at first brought me closer to others, specifically MMOs crossing country borders and language barriers but that wasnt it either because at the same token you made contact with so much more people who still didnt play. So my EQ and WOW days continued to make me feel like I m in a minority.

Youtube and Twitch (many more but those stand out the most to me) changed that drastically. All of a sudden you had numbers that counted in the millions. You had people covering video game related issues without shame, without embarassent and with confidence. Like you could walk up to people and say "yeah I play video games and I m good at it, what do YOU do?". Some at first then later on most of these people didnt even look like bridge trolls or as if they lived in the basement anymore. Production quality was professional and watching YT reporters was more interesting then television. Game or topic streamers became more widely spread and admitted that money was so good to allow them to make this their main income.

LUDICROUS!!!! YOU CAN MAKE A LIVING BY PLAYING GAMES???

Yet most of this stuff is still hidden behind the ignorance of the larger population who doesnt know whats going on. When they think of "YT stars" they think of kids who share their every minute detail with the world..."living" online and how sad that is.

Game convention price ranges tho push into the medias awareness more and more and somealmost have a life dump when they wonder about price money in the 6 digits or more, "joking" to "just give up my job and pick up gaming".

Its hilarious because they dont realize how naive and clueless they are. This is a world that has evolved and developed largely unnoticed and ignored because people look down on it. Good luck "just picking up gaming" and winning competitions which are largely dominated by teenagers these days who outperform you on every conceivable level. I m sure there is money to be made in gaming but its a very competitive environment, everybody wants to become a star and there is no real "success recipee" what makes that possible.

You might look down on gaming and have no idea about current games on the market. And I recently had some real funny moments when I was at a BBQ party and stood with some dads who were wondering about this game "fortnite" obviously "the" game among kids today and I just jumped in explaining the game and more interestingly how much money is in this "video game". Production values, fan base, competitions and conventions, all the people covering the topic online making their money with it. I only noticed a few minutes in how I was the only one talking and people were clinging to my lips...I almost loled. And when I shared some actual numbers on the income I know about (top earners of course...) most of them just looked at me dumbstruck because most thought they were doing pretty good (family, house, above-average to great income) and they were basically earning pocket change compared to the examples I brought up.

Its an unfair comparison sure but it drives the point home. Video gaming has grown up with actual adults who make a living out of it and something they make a killing too just like in the "real world".

When I look at all the sports where parents drill and train their kids from youngest age to become "top athletes" maybe some of them will try to support video games when they notice their kids really like it and dont ridicule it as "kids stuff" anymore.

Dinosaurs in a digital age :)
 
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