Personal Carriers not so personal with current pad distribution?
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If fleet carriers can't carry fleets, then the entire premise of the thread is moot. We all know that there's a risk that FD will do something dumb and stop FC from carrying a fleet, but we've (apart from you, obvs) all agreed that it's a reasonable assumption to make.
Not really. I think limiting ships is just as reasonable as not limiting them. 16 ships maximum would be nice for the immersion guys.
The issue in question is whether carriers will be able to hold more than ONE ship owned by each player.
The argument goes as follows: The only way in ED that you can have two ships in the same place is to buy a ship or transfer a ship from another station. FDev may imagine that a FC is used by the owner and their friends. The services offered by the FC will be a subset of the services offered by a station. One of those services is the shipyard but an FC will probably not offer the ability to buy new ships and so they won't have a shipyard. But the shipyard is how you transfer ships to you. And transfer is complex because the FC might move between the transfer being requested and the ship arriving. So FDev may not notice that transfers are not possible, or they might decide that they are too difficult to do. Either way, the FC owner can only have one ship docked.
As SlouchMonster said, it would be a very dumb move for them to make and we generally don't think they are quite that dumb. Cargo storage, on the other hand, I am much less sanguine about.
Got it, thanks for clarifying.
I thought they were talking about 16 vs unlimited ships rather than 16 vs 1 ship. That's what you get for not reading the entire conversation...
What does 'ship availability' mean if not a shipyard?
It's a very strange turn of phrase, and I'm not convinced it means anything.
And what would the loadout change? Does that mean that some carriers do not have shipyards? Contrarty to your point, that quote seems to imply that it is not at all certain that you will be able to have more than one ship on your carrier if you choose, say, a mercenary loadout.
With regards to Fleet Carrier jumping while a ship is in transit, a simple interlock on the jump would suffice such that the FC cannot jump whilest a ship is in transit to it.
If a ship transfer facility is available, will it be for FC owner only or will other Commanders be able to use it
Can the FC owner set a limit on transit time for others to use
Will Transfer requests by other Commanders need FC owner approval
Will a return to sender mechanic be implemented to allow the FC to jump before arrival of any ships in Transit
If a ship transfer facility is available, will it be for FC owner only or will other Commanders be able to use it
Can the FC owner set a limit on transit time for others to use
Will Transfer requests by other Commanders need FC owner approval
Will a return to sender mechanic be implemented to allow the FC to jump before arrival of any ships in Transit
If that would be the case, then sure FC would step up as the new undisputed champion of the game's most worthless additions, even though it's a title with many contenders.
Those were in game assets, you don't go to all that trouble to make concept art. That would be a huge waste of resources
I am not saying that you are wrong as the information supplied from Frontier is sparse, with a lot of gaps to be filled in between now and December....
In support of my point, if you watch the announcement video - 1:16 on the video has the landing pads decending into the body of the Fleet carrier.
In support of your point, there is absolutely no mention of any shipyard capacity in the video. There is plenty of commentary on different carrier roles and landing on other peoples carriers (access rights, 16 pads, etc) but nothing about being able to fly multiple ships of your own fleet from the carrier - i.e. nothing that supports my assertion of being able to fly a Corvette into a conflict zone one day and a Krait II into a Thargoid encounter another day, with both ships being held on the carrier.
(worst case scenario, the Fleet carrier will not allow ship transfer and just becomes a 500ly jump ship.)
I'd say the chance of worst-case scenario is almost infinitesimally small as to be disregardable, but as you say, nothing to go on.
It wouldn't make sense though and there's always some method in FDs ma... actions.
I love the laid back stately debating style there. Looking for facts, not fighting over it.
It wouldn't make sense though and there's always some method in FDs ma... actions.
I love the laid back stately debating style there. Looking for facts, not fighting over it.
In the ED universe, the NPC population suffers from extreme naviphobia. What this means is the bigger the ship, the more likely the NPC starport authorities will make your attempt to stuff your ridiculously expensive, over sized ship into their mail box slot an exercise of futility. You see, we human Commanders typically tend to get the worse end of this illogical NPC psychological disorder. As proven by the following QoL restrictions when seeking refuge from the black:
# large ship landing pads at any Outpost in the galaxy: 0 total
# large ship landing pads on any Capital ship in the galaxy: 0 total
# large ship landing pads at any Installations of any type in the galaxy: 0 total
# large ship landing pads on Bulk Cruiser ships of any type in the galaxy: 0 total
# large ship landing pads on Generational Ships in any state of dereliction in the galaxy: 0 total
# large ship landing pads on any Detention Center/Wells Class Vessel/Rescue Ships in the galaxy: 1 total
# large ship landing pads at any Asteroid base in the galaxy: 6 total
# large ship landing pads at any Coriollis/Orbis/Ocellus starport in the galaxy: 9 at each
Then FDev finally came to their senses and offered the convenience of a personalized, mobile HQ. With a whopping EIGHT landing pads just short of the total 9 large ships we can own in the game. And yet haters are still going to hate......
For people who are saying the Fleet Carrier won't have shipyard, it clearly says it will have both ships and modules available. Which ships and modules are available are different depending on which loadout you are using (Exploration, bounty hunting, etc). See the picture below. As for how many ships it will hold, I'm betting it will work like any other shipyard.
For people who are saying the Fleet Carrier won't have shipyard, it clearly says it will have both ships and modules available. Which ships and modules are available are different depending on which loadout you are using (Exploration, bounty hunting, etc). See the picture below. As for how many ships it will hold, I'm betting it will work like any other shipyard.
Yep,
It's going to be a mobile space station with services cut out depending on specialisation.
Its strange. Does it mean that it has your current ship and also has a load of pre-made ships available to fly. Or is it if you have a bounty hunter support ship, does that mean you can't dock your DBX or AspX to the ship as they are exploration vessels? How does the Fleet carrier decide what ship is a bounty hunter type and what isn't?For people who are saying the Fleet Carrier won't have shipyard, it clearly says it will have both ships and modules available. Which ships and modules are available are different depending on which loadout you are using (Exploration, bounty hunting, etc). See the picture below. As for how many ships it will hold, I'm betting it will work like any other shipyard.
So many questions.
Hmm. Interesting. In my line of work, making a concept and visualisation before implementation is considered to be so very helpful that not doing that is considered a waste of resources. You can save yourself so time and effort by making an early visualisation, where you can already spot and correct problems which otherwise would've only become obvious after building and implementing everything.
Which is why i hope the above example is just that: concept art. We found problems, we pointed them out. Thus FD can correct things ahead of time. This is much better than already having invested a lot of design and development work into these things to then, when first time trying it out after coding it all, running into problems and having to redesign significant parts.
While FD advertises that you can "command you own" carrier that doesn't imply that you can carry around your own fleet. There is no confirmation that I know that the carriers work as your own private shipyard. You get a carrier and can switch to a support ship is what we know.
Unsure of your line of work, and I'm sure you're right.
From my (admittedly, not in such a large company) knowledge though, this kind of thing can be designed and concepted on paper, and with basic block out models, without going to the considerable effort of UV mapping, fully texturing, setting up normal, specular, and many many more, maps, and adding animations and all the control systems, and getting it to work, in engine.
From the simple and cheap(er) designs you can work out any problems before you get your technical artists to make all of the stuff that gets a model into the game engine to the level shown in that video.
Take a look at some of their previous concept art (there's a whole book of it) I've not seen any concept work that ran in engine, the one small exception is the ice planet in engine render of a new shader for patches of ice, but that was a single patch, and also likely production quality and complete (as far as that specific element was concerned) there was then a load of concept art to go with it, which is what they were working from.
Anyway... Yeah, my thoughts are that these things in the video are completed in game assets, like when they have shown us new finished ships in previous videos.
I'm sure there's a bunch of tech and code being fiddled with, but those assets are done.
No, of course not. Judging by what the it says on that description, your loadout type determines what modules and ships are available (I wasn't expecting it to have ships available, but the description implies it). There is zero chance that they have some arbitrary restriction against certain ships based on their purpose (exploration, combat, etc). For example, how would they classify an Anaconda? It can be outfitted for combat or exploration (as can pretty much every ship). Not feasible.