Frontier's Annual Results have been published (June 2018 to May 2019), showing a record year and Elite passing 3 million basegame sales

DeletedUser191218

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Max Factor said:
Hi Mr Ant. The steam charts are for concurrent players. That will be an average of people playing at any one time. The amount of actual players would be substantially more as players don't tend to play for 24 hours a day every day of the week. Lets say people play an average of two hours a day, a 24 hours by two (makes 12) and then times the average concurrent players by that figure (roughly 48000) and you have an idea of how many people on average play a day, and that is assuming that everyone plays every day (which we all know isn't the case). It is likely that the amount of active players is likely over the 100,000 mark if you include all the other sources on PC and the consoles (active players being people that play at least once every two weeks).

I think my maths is roughly okay there. Could be complete bunk though, it was never my strong point.

As to EVE stats, I am unsure if they mean concurrent players or the total amount of people that have played. It looks like concurrent to me, but I could be wrong.
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Steam can maybe be used as a sample, although not particularly useful to estimate number of players in, say, a week. Like and statistical sample you can estimate population moments and trends. There may be some reason it's an unreliable sample, but I wouldn't know. Maybe the mechanics of non-steam players are different. Maybe players move off steam on to other formats (implying a drop that isn't genuine). But if it's a reliable sample there are enough data points to be confident that trends witnessed in steam can be extrapolated to the full population of players.
 

IndigoWyrd

IndigoWyrd
Rambojambo said:
Steam can maybe be used as a sample, although not particularly useful to estimate number of players in, say, a week. Like and statistical sample you can estimate population moments and trends. There may be some reason it's an unreliable sample, but I wouldn't know. Maybe the mechanics of non-steam players are different. Maybe players move off steam on to other formats (implying a drop that isn't genuine). But if it's a reliable sample there are enough data points to be confident that trends witnessed in steam can be extrapolated to the full population of players.
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Some of us also block Steam from data harvesting. My data is not free. My shopping, spending and browsing habits are not free.
I even charge to give people a hard time.
 

babelfisch

babelfisch
Rambojambo said:
I fail to see how me incorrectly predicting that carriers wouldn't be introduced invalidates the work of investment analysts. However, this fully reinforces the 'white knight' contention. These topics are unrelated. I am citing analyst work on FDev's financials - not even my own. Yet, you seem to think the two are in any way connected? Is it perhaps "criticism of FDev must be attacked"? This is a very poor effort of attacking me and not the very real fact that all analysts cite reduced recenues forecast as a cause of the share price decline. Whether I was correct or wrong about carriers has literally nothing to do with this. To reduce the discussion to that level is low, very low. I trust the moderator in the discussion will moderate this accordingly...
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IIRC you pretty much said 'your opinion doesn't matter since you are just a mod' or was that someone different? So far that guy managed to show how you are wrong while you managed to show nothing apart from repeating that some mysterious guys you can't link to share your opinion. I would be careful calling people white knight just because they are having the better argument. As it shows, you have some history with posting wrong information, so I guess that's why your FC carrier thread is relevant.
 

StuartGT

StuartGT
Rambojambo said:
Pretty busy just now but i'm sure Peel Hunt (broker) reduced it's price target from 1400 to 1200 (from memory). They still give it a buy rating but obviously not as strong as it was earlier this year. I'm looking after my daughter so can't dig out other reports tonight.

Nor do I see the point...you'd just strawman onto something else. Being obsessed with the sequence of events is, as I have said, missing the point.
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On 9th September Peel Hunt reiterated their Buy recommendation and a price target of 1300.

https://investing.thisismoney.co.uk/broker-views/FDEV/Frontier-Developments.html
 

-VR- Max Factor

-VR- Max Factor
Rambojambo said:
Steam can maybe be used as a sample, although not particularly useful to estimate number of players in, say, a week. Like and statistical sample you can estimate population moments and trends. There may be some reason it's an unreliable sample, but I wouldn't know. Maybe the mechanics of non-steam players are different. Maybe players move off steam on to other formats (implying a drop that isn't genuine). But if it's a reliable sample there are enough data points to be confident that trends witnessed in steam can be extrapolated to the full population of players.
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Oh, sure it can be used to see trends. There was always a link to the amount of active players and concurrent player. When one went up so did the other. It's just very difficult to tell what the actual player base is though, as not everyone plays everyday.

The trend is that player numbers slowly drop after an update until there is a new update and player numbers jump up again, just like other games when they release an update an I doubt that will change.
 

Ezren

Ezren
Rambojambo said:
Pretty busy just now but i'm sure Peel Hunt (broker) reduced it's price target from 1400 to 1200 (from memory). They still give it a buy rating but obviously not as strong as it was earlier this year. I'm looking after my daughter so can't dig out other reports tonight.

Nor do I see the point...you'd just strawman onto something else. Being obsessed with the sequence of events is, as I have said, missing the point.
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With the amount of sidestepping you've done in this thread I'm guessing you're in another timezone by now.
 

Viajero

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Viajero
Rambojambo said:
i'm sure Peel Hunt (broker) reduced it's price target from 1400 to 1200 (from memory). They still give it a buy rating but obviously not as strong as it was earlier this year.
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I am afraid that a (non sourced and non dated) broker issuing a target price does not support your very definite statement that a stock dropped 8% because of a certain revenue forecast. What you need to source is the actual drop (its date or dates) and the revenue forecast issue date (when it made it to the public domain), so we can establish the connexion and the validity of your claim.

Rambojambo said:
Nor do I see the point...you'd just strawman onto something else.
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I am not strawmanning anything. I am just zeroing in very precisely on this post of yours:

Share price is down 8% on forecast reduced revenues.
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For which you have not provided any actual evidence yet. Be it yours or the analysts.

There is nothing wrong with admitting a misreading of the available info. If you could muster the strength to do that then we can probbaly move on and then I can show you why I think there is no link between the drop and the forecasts you probably are referring to.
 
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StuartGT

StuartGT
Ezren said:
Can we just put a bow on this by looking at the Peel Hunt thing he keeps referring to? This notes a price target of 1453, which very much doesn't line up with his claims.
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That price target of 1453 was by Jefferies Financial Group.

I already linked the Peel Hunt info (they reiterated their price target of 1300, which was originally set in June):
StuartGT said:
On 9th September Peel Hunt reiterated their Buy recommendation and a price target of 1300.

https://investing.thisismoney.co.uk/broker-views/FDEV/Frontier-Developments.html
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RamboJambo would be wise to actually cite sources instead of relying on memory:
Rambojambo said:
i'm sure Peel Hunt (broker) reduced it's price target from 1400 to 1200 (from memory)
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Ezren

Ezren
StuartGT said:
That price target of 1453 was by Jefferies Financial Group.

I already linked the Peel Hunt info (they reiterated their price target of 1300, which was originally set in June):

RamboJambo would be wise to actually cite sources instead of relying on memory:
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Ah, I was just skimming the article for the number. Oh well.

Trying to gather all the facts isn't going to matter in the long run, since I have a feeling you'd be chasing goalposts forever in that conversation.
 

WinterKing2112

WinterKing2112
StuartGT said:
That price target of 1453 was by Jefferies Financial Group.

I already linked the Peel Hunt info (they reiterated their price target of 1300, which was originally set in June):

RamboJambo would be wise to actually cite sources instead of relying on memory:
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RamboJambo's memory tends to get quite flexible when he is on yet another anti-Frontier campaign. Just check out his thread "I was right, you were wrong", he is quite the adept in goal post maneuvering to avoid having to admit that what he said is once again a load of old bo@#$%ks! 😀
 

DeletedUser191218

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Jesus you guys have taken this personally 🤣🤣

1y share price is down 25%. Yikes!
 
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StuartGT

StuartGT
Rambojambo said:
Jesus you guys have taken this personally 🤣🤣

1y share price is down 25%. Yikes!
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I'm a good bowler but I'm not Jesus
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3yr share price is up 445%. Wow!
 
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