I have a good arguement, there is no drawback from implementing it. If you can't assing more than 2 fire buttons because of hardware limitations and your fire groups are working fine than you wouldn't need, but it is still there for those who CAN use it. So why not? Why not add more convenience to the game? It would be so simple.
Any notes on having more than 2 fire buttons?
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I have a good arguement, there is no drawback from implementing it. If you can't assing more than 2 fire buttons because of hardware limitations and your fire groups are working fine than you wouldn't need, but it is still there for those who CAN use it. So why not? Why not add more convenience to the game? It would be so simple.
This issue I highlighted is not present 100% of my time. I have some peculiar loadouts I try sometimes and while trying to use those, for fun may I add, this problem shows it's ugly face.
Yeah, forgot about those too, many times I'm doing circles only to fire my last 2 shots of multi cannons and wait for it to reload while I could have reloaded it while maneuvering.
Could be, and because HOTAS players too. But you're not forced to use the extras one if you can't. Because the hardware some people use generaly doesn't allow them to do it is no excuse to not let the rest of the player base that can do it without this basic feature.
You don't need to convince us. You need to convince FD, and their position has always been no to more fire groups.
Does a console gamer on XBox or PS4 with a game pad or even the basic HOTAS available could compete with a PC Player spending a lot for an advanced HOTAS system plus supporting secondary game pads at great expense? Would this be fair with more than two fire buttons? Would more than two fire buttons mess up the game and add a dozen more bugs implementing it? I'm just throwing some ideas on the wall and see what sticks...
It would increase the disparity between those using gamepads and those using sticks and/or KBM.
Is there crossplay? The bugs are on their part, if they break the game doing something like this you can go conplain to them, but soem bugs are the least of concerns wouldn't you agree?
Would it really be that big of difference? Would it mean the difference between victory and a rebuy screen? I don't think so, many people have told me to just "arrange" my fire groups so it implies that it has the same effect as more fire buttons, which means that we can have both with no significant change or unfair advantage.
adding more fire buttons would spoil their neat left/right "weapon brackets" hud design. they are very proud of it and won't redo it.
Yeah, that's fair. FDEVs do take their time to make things happen, it probrably took half a year to come up with this current design, it would be a shame to change it.
Won't people think of the bugs that would be introduced by changing it!?
It very well could.
Constraining one's weapon choices to account for only two triggers reduces versatility; using turrets and/or gimbals to compensate for lack of extra triggers reduces damage while allowing for countermeasures; while frequently swapping groups both takes time and provides opportunity for mistakes to be made.
Essentially all of my combat ships have loadouts that are dictated in some way by the limited number of triggers available and many of these ships also have a half dozen fire groups that have to be managed in combat to leverage their loadouts because of that limitation.
Suggesting workarounds doesn't imply it would confer the same advantages as more fire buttons.
I've played combat action/simulation games that allowed many more than two fire buttons and limiting those games to two buttons would radically change the ways some loadouts worked, perhaps make some completely unviable.
The very premise that removing the two fire button limit would be advantageous for you implies that it would give you an edge over those who do not have buttons to spare.
For the most part two fire buttons are fine. Why? Because with unlimited fire groups it is just another learning skill like managing SYS-ENG-WEP pips in combat without thinking about them. One is too busy flying and applying the appropriate weapons at the right moment. Many try to add three different weapons then need three different fire buttons to cover all the bases. This game is all about using the right weapons in the specific combat they are engaged in. There are many variances. Knowing your opponent and what to bring to the fight never needs more than two fire buttons. Bring a friend with weapons support you don't have and with experience no one will defeat you. But don't believe me. In time you will figure it all out.
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Explain to us what type of ship and what loadout you are trying to setup.
I have to agree with you.
One thing I like to point out to people is Less is more.
it would make it a bit bigger, but otoh the idea that this is the fundamental reason behind the 2 fire button limitation just doesn't fly, the moment you have:
- scb, heat sinks, silent running and chaff. all these are bread and butter in combat, are to be expected in the same build (and commonly are) and all can be mapped to a specific key.
- several means of target/module selection, a minimum set of which is bare necessity
- wings even introduced a few independent targeting hotkeys more which are crucial to wing combat
- already known 6 axes of thrust, plus boost, plus flight assist switch, plus headlook and pip management
on top of that, they introduced a weapon which is trigger dependent (it fires as fast as you're able to pull the trigger) which would give the pc master race a huge edge thanks to the existence of macros. if all this is design, it's the worst design ever.
i actually remember some frontier staff acknowledging here that the reason for not changing this was hud layout. i could be wrong and mixing issues, ofc, this was years ago, but i don't think so. maybe someone is in the mood for a bit of forum archaeology ...
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One fire button for my twin guns, the other for chaff. Yet another reason why I love my Vulture
keep it simple. works for me!
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