What to do about Griefers

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

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Is my only option to go on a private server?

If you don't want to meet such players - yes. The different modes exist for exactly that reason. To allow players to play the way they want. (Only OpenPVE is missing, that would make it even better).

And bonus advice: Don't get angry about players doing something you don't like (at least not for long). Just relax, enjoy the game the way you like it and ignore those who do things you don't like.
Results in a much enjoyable gaming experience.

 

[Stigbob]

With all due respect, I'm not asking if you've had issues. I'm telling you your information is incorrect because the issues do exist. Have you heard of the black swan fallacy? It's not a complicated concept - that you shouldn't speak with factual authority when you cannot claim to have all the facts.

I think in your case its just pebcak, since as I said I've not had any issues.

 

[Morbad]

Tough. You'll just have to learn to put up with me excluding anyone I regard as unworthy. That's just how people interact in and out of games.

You're no better than those you block.

If I use block it changes my instancing and nobody else's

You'd realize this was nonsense if you thought about it for half a second.

How can it affect your instancing but not anyone elses if there are other people in your instance? Do you not realize how impossibly absurd that assertion is?

If I am in your instance and you have someone blocked, they aren't going to get into my instance because it's the same damned instance.

because as you said it doesn't create a new instance just for me it just plonks me into a different one to the blocked player.

It plonks you into a different instance than the blocked player after you reinstance, but it doesn't prevent non-blocked players from instancing with you, and when they do, your block affects who they can encounter.

You haven't demonstrated anything to be wrong.

Are you in game now? If so, I will show you how the thing works.

 

[Deleted member 192138]

I think in your case its just pebcak, since as I said I've not had any issues.

I'm quite capable of copy pasting a CMDR name into the search box and doing the same thing minus the special character and having the same result (nada) each time. You're quite determined to conclude that your limited experience makes you an authority on any given subject and could in no way be indicative of personal anecdotal evidence and nothing further.

 

[Mechanist]

This is exactly the reason I play on solo exclusively. In any online game, if it's unmoderated then it's where the scumbags tend to hang out.

Did you look at the map size? There's tons of scumbag free space out there

 

[Stigbob]

You're no better than those you block.

Video gaming morals are a bit like video gaming courage, not really worth very much at all.

How can it affect your instancing but not anyone elses if there are other people in your instance? Do you not realize how impossibly absurd that assertion is?

You can't be in more than one instance at a time, so you'd not meet them anyway. Why is that somehow my fault ?.

If I am in your instance and you have someone blocked, they aren't going to get into my instance because it's the same damned instance.

That's not how it works, it only alters the blockers instancing not the blockee's. That's why you'll occasionally see someone you have blocked anyway if for example you hang around a station or supercruise long enough.

It plonks you into a different instance than the blocked player after you reinstance, but it doesn't prevent non-blocked players from instancing with you, and when they do, your block affects who they can encounter.

But since you claimed earlier that block doesn't create new instances, those separate instances would exist anyway and as I already said you can't be in more than one instance at a time. So you wouldn't meet up with them anyway.

Are you in game now? If so, I will show you how the thing works.

Yep I am, you might have problems instancing with me though .

 

[Morbad]

Video gaming morals are a bit like video gaming courage, not really worth very much at all.

How you treat other people isn't "video gaming morals".

You can't be in more than one instance at a time, so you'd not meet them anyway. Why is that somehow my fault ?

I may very well have met them if your CMDR and your block weren't there.

That's not how it works, it only alters the blockers instancing not the blockee's.

You cannot alter your instancing without altering the instancing of others.

But since you claimed earlier that block doesn't create new instances, those separate instances would exist anyway and as I already said you can't be in more than one instance at a time. So you wouldn't meet up with them anyway.

That's a load of nonsense.

The act of blocking doesn't automatically create a new instance in and of itself (e.g. it won't automatically remove you or the target of the block from the current instance), but it will absolutely create a new instance rather than match you with someone you've blocked, unless there is some positive instancing weight (like a wing) forcing you together.

Even if multiple instances are already present, your block will influence who is placed in which instance. If my CMDR is more likely to be paired with yours (which can happen for a variety of reasons as there are many things that affect matchmaking) then he's less likely to be paired with those you have blocked, because your CMDR's presence will generally exclude them.

Yep I am, you might have problems instancing with me though .

If my CMDR has trouble instancing with yours then he'll also have trouble instancing with anyone in your instance, even if he'd other wise be paired with them. Unless you doubt that, you must also accept that your blocks/instancing can affect the instancing of others, beyond those you've blocked.

Anyway, what's your CMDR's name and are you near a populated area?

 

[Stigbob]

How you treat other people isn't "video gaming morals".

In a video game it is though isn't it.

I may very well have met them if your CMDR and your block weren't there.

Maybe, does it matter one jot if that is the case ?.

That's a load of nonsense.

The act of blocking doesn't automatically create a new instance in and of itself (e.g. it won't automatically remove you or the target of the block from the current instance), but it will absolutely create a new instance rather than match you with someone you've blocked, unless there is some positive instancing weight (like a wing) forcing you together.

Even if multiple instances are already present, your block will influence who is placed in which instance. If my CMDR is more likely to be paired with yours (which can happen for a variety of reasons as there are many things that affect matchmaking) then he's less likely to be paired with those you have blocked, because your CMDR's presence will generally exclude them.

So we've gone from you claiming block doesn't create new instances to you claiming it does. Just own the issue Morbad you don't like the block function and are making stuff up.

If my CMDR has trouble instancing with yours then he'll also have trouble instancing with anyone in your instance, even if he'd other wise be paired with them. Unless you doubt that, you must also accept that your blocks/instancing can affect the instancing of others, beyond those you've blocked.

Anyway, what's your CMDR's name and are you near a populated area?

I blocked you years ago.

 

[A D]

Look, I know its a little pedantic, but just because someone does something in ED you don't like (including blowing up your ship) doesn't mean its griefing. As many have said before me and will probably say again, if the game mechanics permit the thing you don't like, then its still allowed. Something is only griefing if it is not allowed i.e. contrary to the EULA. I say this because, frankly, if open doesn't have some rough play then its just mostly empty space little different to solo.

My suggestion genuinely put is play in solo if you want to cruise around or do something without any risk or interruption, but go to open to mix it up with players and don't be to worried about dishing it out as well.

 

[Stigbob]

Look, I know its a little pedantic, but just because someone does something in ED you don't like (including blowing up your ship) doesn't mean its griefing. As many have said before me and will probably say again, if the game mechanics permit the thing you don't like, then its still allowed. Something is only griefing if it is not allowed i.e. contrary to the EULA. I say this because, frankly, if open doesn't have some rough play then its just mostly empty space little different to solo.

My suggestion genuinely put is play in solo if you want to cruise around or do something without any risk or interruption, but go to open to mix it up with players and don't be to worried about dishing it out as well.

The EULA doesn't have any impact on griefing as its such a subjective thing.

I don't think anyone's saying PVP is griefing.

 

[Morbad]

In a video game it is though isn't it.

I'm making a distinction between character and player.

Maybe, does it matter one jot if that is the case ?

It's the crux of the whole argument.

You say that blocking only affects the blocker and blockee. This is clearly not the case.

So we've gone from you claiming block doesn't create new instances to you claiming it does. Just own the issue Morbad you don't like the block function and are making stuff up.

I haven't made anything up. This is how the game works and anyone who cares to test it can see this for themselves. Your attempts to deconstruct sentences looking for any way possible to misinterpret my statements aren't helping anything.

I don't like the block function, because the way the block function works, both in premise and in actuality, it results in collateral damage to instancing, by allowing players to influence who other players can and cannot encounter, and not just for people they have blocked, but for everyone.

I blocked you years ago.

In game? On what grounds? Do you falsely suspect me of being a 'griefer', or do you just not like the player behind the character?

Anyway, it's going to be hard to show you what I'm talking about if my CMDR starts off as blocked.

If you're willing to let me demonstrate my point, we can have our CMDRs meet up in game, in an area where other CMDRs are around, and I can prove to you first-hand that your block will change who my CMDR gets instanced with.

 

[Stigbob]

I'm making a distinction between character and player.

I'm not.

In game? On what grounds? Do you falsely suspect me of being a 'griefer', or do you just not like the player behind the character?

Anyway, it's going to be hard to show you what I'm talking about if my CMDR starts off as blocked.

If you're willing to let me demonstrate my point, we can have our CMDRs meet up in game, in an area where other CMDRs are around, and I can prove to you first-hand that your block will change who my CMDR gets instanced with.

I don't actually need grounds to block you.

As it happens IIRC you uploaded a video of yourself destroying players on arrival at colonia (pre-patch that changed where they'd respawn) so you were taking away their exploration data and a couple of weeks of progress by making them respawn in the bubble. In fact you said that was the whole point of it.

I thought it was dirty pool and decided I'd rather not play video game spaceships with you.

 

[Marra Morgan]

The only type of ganking worse than that is killing a Fuel Rat. That should NEVER be allowed and should result in an immediate permaban.

 

[Morbad]

I'm not.

Then how are you distinguishing between video game and other morals?

I don't actually need grounds to block you.

No, you don't, but you did just make claims about the criteria you have when it comes to blocking people...criteria neither I nor my CMDR have ever come close to meeting.

As it happens IIRC you uploaded a video of yourself destroying players on arrival at colonia (pre-patch that changed where they'd respawn) so you were taking away their exploration data and a couple of weeks of progress by making them respawn in the bubble. In fact you said that was the whole point of it.

I thought it was dirty pool and decided I'd rather not play video game spaceships with you.

You don't recall correctly.

My CMDR wasn't at Colonia years ago. His first and only trip there was around the beginning of this year, as a detour from DW2, and he did not stay long.

Additionally, my CMDR has only ever destroyed a single CMDR (not player) in the vicinity of Colonia, and that was because said CMDR was trying to pirate him.

You might be having an extremely distorted recollection of my CMDR's much earlier foray into commerce raiding, which was wholly in character, done in an attempt achieve BGS related goals and raise awareness of an exploit (back when they were relevant), but that was well before Colonia existed.

 

[steenpass]

Stigbob to Morbad: "I blocked you years ago. "

Which reduces my chances to meet Morbad in game. I regret this because it looks like Morbad is a person of admirable patience and conduct.

I think that the (only) proper way to implement a blocking function is having it isolate the blocker. But this is not what ED does.


(edit poor wording : minimize -> reduce)

 

[Zieman]

Stigbob to Morbad: "I blocked you years ago. "

Which minimizes my chances to meet Morbad in game. I regret this because it looks like Morbad is a person of admirable patience and conduct.

I think that the (only) proper way to implement a blocking function is having it isolate the blocker. But this is not what ED does.

Lolwut?
How does Stigbob blocking Morbad minimise your chances to meet Morbad in game?
Are you Stigbob's pet or something, following every move he makes in game religiously?

 

[Morbad]

I think that the (only) proper way to implement a blocking function is having it isolate the blocker. But this is not what ED does.

That's pretty much exactly my point.

How does Stigbob blocking Morbad minimise your chances to meet Morbad in game?

Minimize as in reduce, not eliminate. Arguably poor wording, but the jist is correct.

If Stigbob doesn't have steenpass' CMDR blocked, they may find themselves instanced together, while Stigbob's block would exclude me from encountering steenpass.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

That's pretty much exactly my point.



Minimize as in reduce, not eliminate. Arguably poor wording, but the jist is correct.

If Stigbob doesn't have steenpass' CMDR blocked, they may find themselves instanced together, while Stigbob's block would exclude me from encountering steenpass.

And the chances of that exact circumstance happening is?

 

[steenpass]

And the chances of that exact circumstance happening is?

The more blocks the more instances the lesser the chances to meet a particular person. That is all there is to it.

 

[Stigbob]

Lolwut?
How does Stigbob blocking Morbad minimise your chances to meet Morbad in game?
Are you Stigbob's pet or something, following every move he makes in game religiously?

I hope not, I've already got an official stalker.