I'm a rep for EXO as a Triple Elite group and we have a Discord server with the CMs where we can chat and used to have regular voice chats too. Among my peers I'm known as very pro-Frontier (if you can believe lol!) and this is due to my experience of Will and the gang being nothing but great & professional. I have so much time for them but I honestly feel they are hamstrung by management in terms of communication to the wider community.Oh, i'm curious, based on what did you get that access? Are you the spokesperson for a large group or something?
I used to speak to Brett daily as well. Usually just to tell him it was all TJ's fault.
[Video] Open letter from community to Elite Dangerous
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It's just the opinion of some old philosopher and thought it would be relevant. The question is if true altruism exists. If not, it doesn't matter if people are being nice in order to get laid or to make money.
Oh well, enjoy the game...
If we 'lost' all of the 'Influencers', 'Streamers' and other varied youtube 'content' providers overnight the world wouldn't come to an end, but this is unlikely to happen when such content can be 'monetized'...
Then we have the rabid 'rights' poster urging folk to contact Trading Standards in the UK over the bugs in this game.... I urge this particular individual to try his own suggestion as a test case and let 'the community' know how well it was received
When a minority feel they can speak for the majority the best thing that could happen is complete disregard of that group, I hope that is what happens in this case.
If we 'lost' all of the 'Influencers', 'Streamers' and other varied youtube 'content' providers overnight the world wouldn't come to an end, but this is unlikely to happen when such content can be 'monetized'...
Then we have the rabid 'rights' poster urging folk to contact Trading Standards in the UK over the bugs in this game.... I urge this particular individual to try his own suggestion as a test case and let 'the community' know how well it was received
When a minority feel they can speak for the majority the best thing that could happen is complete disregard of that group, I hope that is what happens in this case.
Lol....i wasnt refering to my wife as just business.....lol...It's just the opinion of some old philosopher and thought it would be relevant. The question is if true altruism exists. If not, it doesn't matter if people are being nice in order to get laid or to make money.
I said "towards", not "exclusively" - but I don't think things like highlighting specific fixes is necessary contradictory with that anyway: obviously most of the player base just lurk silently with respect to channels Frontier can see, so you and I both have more than our "30 seconds of fame" from saying things in the right public place at the right time.
I'm thinking more of things like, say, the Lugh War - a few players in a much smaller community highlighted an interesting (for the time) BGS event, and Frontier picked it up and built a lot more around it. Obviously the time and resources - and inevitable accusations of favouritism - involved in doing that sort of thing nowadays means that they don't do that for every (any) current conflict with some charismatic player leaders taking part.
Compare that with The Enclave, which had a similar scope of Frontier effort put into running an ongoing in-game storyline over a few weeks, but was very much more on the "impersonal" side.
Or, compare with the recent events in Carcosa, which had many similarities to the Lugh War in terms of ideological clashes and charismatic leadership, but which Frontier wisely left entirely to the automation of the BGS to handle.
I see the petition more as being in opposition to the move in general, rather than its specific requests being important.
The whole PP situation of recent times can be summed up when Paige presented a half finished charcoal sketch of Patreus on a Frontier Xtra. I had to embarrass FD to even get a response about Powerplay feedback, after weeks of silence after the Feedback Topic ended- unless you press the issue in a sensible way, it will be swept under the carpet. However the CMs can only provide information from the devs and management, so really this is their failure and not the CMs.
I will say the only dev who communicated well on PP was Sandro, no one else has voluntary spoken the Macbeth like P word since, or shown any knowledge of PP or its mechanics and problems. His communication was excellent, here and on Discord and he is missed because of his cheerful manner that was genuine. But in the end FD have to act, and on that they have a dismal record. It was a miracle consolidation got put in, considering.
After 5 years of FD adding no new gameplay to PP, don't you think some communications on its fate is better than absolute silence, especially when community groups are involved? Is it a disconnect that the programmers and planning just don't see and have to deploy CMs to soak up, and that in the end this anger is about poor scheduling overall?
Oh come on, I don't think that's fair.
Following that logic Frontier should stop producing video games, because everyone knows pretty damn well that video games attract those individuals.
First, as I said earlier I absolutely do agree that PP needs improvements (which doesn't mean I want it to be OO!!!
). I believe the last official reply to you was from Zac one year ago:"Hey Rubbernuke,
Sorry for the delay in replying, I know you're keen to hear about the Powerplay details.
The focused feedback thread was always meant to be exploring content and measure on certain hot topic questions. It was never confirmed as a Q4 update, although I can understand why you're asking if it will make it in. Sadly for all the reasons being discussed in the thread above, this also isn't an area that will make it into the Chapter Four update.
I know your history as a mega Powerplay dude of awesomeness, but I think it best to be as open as possible. I hope you understand."
And:
"It's certainly something that the team were keen to add to the game, which is why there was the initial discussion. The intent is there so it may well feature in the future of Elite. I don't want to appear dismissive because I'm certainly not. I fully understand how passionate yourself and the other PP leaders are so I understand what the content means to the PP community. I know you put in many hours to care for and support those communities which is why it's important to be as open as possible now, to avoid disappointment later down the line."
For me that reads like they would still like to improve PP, but if anything it will come sometime in the future. While I understand that it's frustating, it absolutely is communication. It's just not the message you want to hear.
I think we all know that there are these people within the Elite community, and hopefully we all can agree that they have no place within it.
But I also think it's pretty unfair of you to say we can't blame the initiators of he petition for these people but.... and then go on to blame Stuart for these people. Please correct me if I'm wrong but that's how it comes across.
In beyond you did, yes, but right after there was a void where we didn't even know what was going to come the next day. You have been warned beforehand and ignord the community request. Today we only see ahaed until December, which is in 2 months. And then that "something" may come and thanks to the leak we assume it is spacelegs. But Is 2 months really far ahead? No, it's not.
Also Frontier doesn't present any roadmap for urgent issues such as bug fixing and balancing passes. There is not even a statement intending a change in that sector. No, it's just more, probably broken and unfinished content on the level like multicrew that the community doesn't even want.
Also what is in the time during January and July 2020? 6 months of void again?
Yes, that's why I said we can't blame the initiators of the petition for it. It's probably poorly worded, I guess I am going to remove the part about Stuart.
You are right, I should've blamed T.j. It's removed.
If everyone knows that already why aren't people more understanding of the devs communicating less as a direct result of it ?.
Might I suggest you correct the highlighted words to either "I" or "some"?
It would appear that a minority are, once again, speaking as a majority.
Could you link please? I'd very much like to see as I cannot possibly support anyone who behaves like this. Not to say I'd abandon support for the general dissatisfaction with various issues but I would definitely call out someone behaving like that. After all, I try not to think of this as 'sides'. I'll bappily praise someone behaving well and thoughtfully with whom I disagree as readily as I would call out someone behaving poorly with whom I share frustration. We're all individuals and just because someone who vocally supports this petition may be a ****head doesn't mean we all are and vice versa.
The 2020 update is still more than a year away. Considering that Horizons was only announced 4 months before release I guess that we won't get any info until the time between December and Gamescom 2020.
The update after December will probably come sometime March / April (IIRC the plan was to have quaterly updates between 3.3 and the next era?), so I would expect info on that shortly before or after the December update.
Regarding a roadmap for bug fixing, they just did that with Patch 1 and 2 for the September update.
Will there be a beta for Fleet Carriers? Well that would be nice to know, but I guess we'll find out soon.
The posts in questions are obviously already deleted but you can still see the reaction of the mods:
[Video] Open letter from community to Elite Dangerous
I'm not even sure that is true - I've got things fixed in the game by contacting CM people on Discord / Twitter - as long as you have a specific problem then they are actually very easy to contact, and often get things sorted. But what some (including the OP on this thread) want is an ongoing...
I don't see the point. Just because murderers exist doesn't mean everybody should be treated like one.
Also, my ability to understand why hateful comments will reduce the amount of communication with the developers, doesn't mean I can't still wish for a more open discussion.
Look at that, this thread has once again doubled in size while I was asleep. At this rate of exponential expansion, the servers will run out of memory in 21 days.
In other news, all the copy-cat wannabe "open letter" threads are dying on the vine with maybe a couple of pages of comments, tops. Yamiks wins this round!
ps - I haven't read any of these posts since I last blessed this thread with my observations. Tears in the rain, baby!
In other news, all the copy-cat wannabe "open letter" threads are dying on the vine with maybe a couple of pages of comments, tops. Yamiks wins this round!
ps - I haven't read any of these posts since I last blessed this thread with my observations. Tears in the rain, baby!
On the internet how do you tell the furious spoiled kid from the real thing ?.
I'd also like more dev communication, we all would.
I just think a petition calling for zero tolerance on dev bashing highlighting some of the shoddier stuff that gets said would be more effective at achieving that. Yamics could show example posts and make "boing" noises whilst mocking them in a video.
Obviously it would also attract the mentalists and Yamics might have to go into hiding for a bit. Its a sacrifice I'm willing for him to make though.