Why are there no Marine Mammals Included? Penguins? Sea Lions? Otters?

[Kaan]

this again? this has been discussed many times before. there was even a fight.
and it's too early to talk about these issues.

Why are there no marine mammals included in Planet Zoo? Such as dolphins, sea lions, seals, otters, walrus, penguins? How can you not include penguins. Also what about huge aquariums with a variety of different fish. All these animals are in pretty much every zoo. Dolphin and sea lion shows are a huge part of zoos as well. I'm positive there was even a dolphin/whale show in Roller Coaster Tycoon 3.

(But really, some marine mammals need to be included in this game. I love the look of this game when I first saw the trailer, but was genuinely shocked that a game called planet zoo didn't include sea lions or penguins.) There's still time to add them to the game, please

I agree, man. I hope we see them with dlc even if it's not in the main game

For everyone that says it's unrealistic and unethical to keep whales and such in captivity--

It's the same issue with elephants. There's been so much light shed on the issue within the last few years that zoos simply don't have the capacity to properly care for elephants. So many zoos are no longer taking in elephants, and those that have elephants have announced that once they've passed away, they will no longer have elephants at their zoo.

Yet no one's arguing against having elephants in zoos in PZ? Hmm. But anyway there's already been this discussion on another thread so I won't be getting involved in another one. Just something to think about.

I think this is the best explanation I've ever heard. there is no need for further discussion and writing the same things again.

I don't think adding whales to PZ is a good idea. They're too big, too expensive to care for, and nobody has figured out how to keep them in captivity in real life. Same thing with great whites.

Dolphins are neat, but this topic is as controversial as cloning and can lead into massive debates which we're basically trying to avoid in this forum.

Some species of sharks would look nice in PZ's aquatic DLC (i.e. the common shark species like blacktips, sand tigers, nurse, things like that).

I basically approve a PZ aquatic DLC.
yes to me it makes more sense to make a different game. but I don't want to change the game all the time. it is better to see them all together.

I partially agree with you. If you're talking about big whales like the humpback whale would be wrong to be in the game. I don't think the Orcas will be a problem. we are exaggerating this issue.
I don't want to discuss it again. I have repeatedly made necessary explanations on other matters.
(I think it's more confusing to do a different game. because I do not want to constantly change the game. So if I want to see a zebra, I necessarily to get out of the game. this would be very laborious. so it's better to have it all together.)


If you don't understand what I mean. Let me give you a short answer. yes I want killer whales, dolphin and killer whale shows in the game. I explain in every way
we have seen killer whale and dolphin shows in many games before. Then there was no problem and now it is problem?
I'm sorry, but this captivity depends on what you think you're. When I was playing Zoo Tycoon 2 I didn't think of the word captivity.
and I don't think the game will give the wrong message. we know the game focuses on protection. In the game we can leave the animals back to the wild. if this is the protection, these are the features already in zoo tycoon 2.
my friends, I sorry but all animals are in captivity. only the secrets of some animals have not been revealed. If I didn't add a killer whale to the game, I'd feel like a hypocrite.
For God's sake, what damages could a whale be in this game? Will the world explode? I think we should stop these discussions. I suggest you not blame the game.
I'm sending a message to the Frontier team. Do the real thing. Don't discriminate. Add all animals kept in zoos and kept in water parks.
FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS A GAME. To be honest, I mean, I always get bored if my only purpose is to protect animals. there must be something different, not just protection. or we should not say that this animal should not be because they are focused on protection.

I'm sorry if I'm wrong or I have a wrong word...
Now let's get back to normal. I'm so excited for this game!
I love the Frontier team!

 

[VioletGrey]

It's just a game. I grew up thinking it was great fun having orcas and dolphins in Zoo Tycoon 2, but I'd never go to Sea World in real life, and don't want them kept in captivity in real life.

It's just a game, people. Please don't force limitations on what we can have in a game just because of some real life issues.

 

[Kaan]

I agree, but I think it's a better idea not to confuse real life. That would be wrong anyway.
Another explanation that suggests that real life should not be confused is that in this game we can do more than we can do in real life.
Yeah, that's the explanation I made on another matter.

Franchise Animal Market and Conservation Theme

The online market will offer vastly more animals and vastly more variations. I imagine once we get our franchises up; were most of our stock is internal to our complete zoos, we will be competing for biggest animal, oldest animal, etc. All of that will also only be online. And, of course, there...

forums.frontier.co.uk

You're wrong about some things.
It's up to you to trust or not.
One more thing, I forgot to tell. This. I'm not going to continue to argue about it, especially about seaworld.

 

[Anduin6320]

If they add in marine animals, I DOUBT they would do shows for them. FD are all about animal welfare and conservation. We've all seen or heard of Blackfish and the problems of Sea World.

If they add marine animals, I'd be surprised if they did the larger ones, Orcas & Dolphins, and if they did, I imagine they'd need very large habitats!

 

[Kaan]

Frontier will surely arrange it. So I don't think they're going to do anything wrong. It little depends a bit on how people think.

Let's never get into blackfsih. because Blackfish is a contradictory documentary. I told you before, Seaworld has errors, But zoos also have mistakes.. Nobody is perfect. if we made a mistake in the past, it is a thing of the past. anyway it's not about seaworld or Blackfish. seaworld or blackfish has nothing to do with this topic.

Also, no matter how well Frontier does the space requirements of animals, it probably won't do any good.
probably we can change the difficulty of the animals' need in the game. that is, animals in difficult mode want more space, while in easy mode they want less space. or a mode like zoo tycoon 2, we can cover the area requirements of animals.

I agree with you about the shows. I don't think there will be problems with the shows. I will not argue. because there are people who don't want to understand
I'll just say this. How would you train your animal if you were an instructor? answer in your in head.

Thank you.

 

[Barje]

I can understand there is no marine animals, since frontier is going for realism,and keeping them in zoos/aquariums is quite hard(especially when zoo/aquarium is placed far from the sea) I mean, Imo it's possible, but it would be hella expensive and nearly impossible to fund. You would had to build large walls inside ocean itself. Let's remember that for example no narwhal survived more than several months in captivity/Orcas are getting their back fin flapped. As the seals/walruses etc are still possible, i wouldnt hype so much for marine animals.

 

[Kaan]

zoo tycoon 1 also had gigantic sea animals. There was a humpback whale or a sperm whale. then where were you?
What about the elephants? Nobody talks about it...
I think I'm talking in vain here.
I am surprised. So you want me to repeat almost the same thing? I've already made a lot of explanation above.
or there 's an easy way, it' s best to copy and paste the comments I made above and share again. I think that would be better.
I don't understand why you're so hung up on your head. if not for you, do not put it in your park or take dlc. can there be another explanation for this?

 

[Zakimals]

Why are there no marine mammals included in Planet Zoo? Such as dolphins, sea lions, seals, otters, walrus, penguins? How can you not include penguins. Also what about huge aquariums with a variety of different fish. All these animals are in pretty much every zoo. Dolphin and sea lion shows are a huge part of zoos as well. I'm positive there was even a dolphin/whale show in Roller Coaster Tycoon 3.

Here's some of the animals I really hope are included before the full release of the game as I don't buy DLC packs (just a way for companies to get more money from you) Pandas. Hawks. Sloths. Fennec Foxes. Swans. Squirrels. Chipmunks. Raccoons. Goats. Meerkats. And all the marine mammals I listed above.

(But really, some marine mammals need to be included in this game. I love the look of this game when I first saw the trailer, but was genuinely shocked that a game called planet zoo didn't include sea lions or penguins.) There's still time to add them to the game, please

planet zoo isn't out yet! there was a beta for the last two weeks but there are plenty of animals not shown!!

 

[Barje]

Tl;dr if you can. I mean I like marine animals but i dont think Frontier will add them since their own reasons. Blue Fang with their Marine Mania didnt really go for realism with whales,narwhals etc. You know, it's the same franchise where you got the dinosaurs. You got dinosaurs IRL? You got your answer for my opinion.

 

[Kaan]

This is your opinion. yes the big whales were not realistic. but there is no problem with other orca or other animals.
I said it before. if the frontier wants to be realistic, he should add all the animals that are protected in zoos and water parks. there is nothing unrealistic in this.
already there was no huge whales in the expansion pack in zoo tycoon 2. it's not realistic as you say, and today there is no humpback whale in an aquarium.
but still people want in this game. because they don't want to play zoo tycoon 1 to see humpback whales. they want to see them more modern. I do not want too much humpback whales or huge whale, but I do not disappoint those who want. I do not protest them. but if they add I am happy. it was really fantastic.

 

[Jesmo]

Hey guys,

I would like to tell you what my theory is, what will come as the first DLC.

I think it will be an AQUARIUM DLC. Why?

• With the vivarian is already a great, fresh and new alternative variant introduced to the normal chergen. And it makes sense that they develop this variant further. In such an aquarium you can then also insert various fish from the market. Maybe there are also different big aquariums, for different big fish? So for example not only 1x1, but maybe 2x2 or 3x3?
• In addition, it would be part of my theory that the animals that currently exist at the zoo can not dive. I think this element is currently being developed and then introduced with the DLC, along with a few other animals that use it as well, such as seals, walruses, beaver, otters, etc. The Animals in the base game will get then a free update. These are just a few.
• Furthermore, Frontier could publish a "Marine" DLC without the moral dilemma of keeping whales and dolphins in captivity
• It would also be a good amount for such a DLC. Not too much and not too little.
• • Feature of the aquarium
  • A few new animals, such as seals, walruses, otters, etc.
  • New building parts in the navy theme

PS: In addition to the aquarium would offer the same, only with birds. So instead of vivariums for insects / amphibians and aquariums for fish, then cages for birds.

What do you think of my theory?

 

[Kaan]

"Whales and dolphins in captivity"?
shall I tell you something? All animals are in captivity. I just don't understand why dolphins and killer whales are so controversial. I want you to write zoo captivity to the internet and read a few articles. I certainly do not blame the game. but read it. you will understand that there is injustice.

all animals are in captivity. we strive to offer them the best facilities in captivity. And you know what I like? As far as I understand the game actually accepts that all the animals are in captivity. zoopedia section "reproduction in captivity" there is a information. This is the information I like. because it is realistic.
in this case, this animal is in captivity or not captivity, such discussions are of no importance. So if there's another incident, tell me.
I'm never saying this game is fooling us. really animals need protection. but it's wrong to focus so much on an animal.
and I'm sending a message to the Frontier team. I would be very disappointed if you stopped removing the Marine Mania DLC because of our discussions...
My advice is do what you know...

 

[NL_Mutso]

I don't think the first DLC will be an aquarium dlc... Too many game mechanics to implent to make a worthy addition.
Just putting a fish/mammal in a aquarium, just won't cut it for most people

Personally I think they will go Semi-aquatic (is this the right term? ). They are already ingame. So adding beavers/otters/seals would please a lot of people already... or for the time being.......

 

[Barje]

Let me visualize it to you.You would have to build really huge habitats Inside ocean to at least try to make them "happy"

 

[NL_Mutso]

I hate comparing to ZT1 or ZT2 but they added large aquariums for this... that's how they solved that. You could make it look more appealing but basically a big fish tank.
(I'm ignoring the 'happy' argument for this decision because I don't have an argument for it )

It does raises a different question for bigger fish/mammal. Would the current mapsize for a zoo, be too small to make a proper Marine Zoo ?

 

[Jesmo]

I don't think the first DLC will be an aquarium dlc... Too many game mechanics to implent to make a worthy addition.
Just putting a fish/mammal in a aquarium, just won't cut it for most people

Personally I think they will go Semi-aquatic (is this the right term? ). They are already ingame. So adding beavers/otters/seals would please a lot of people already... or for the time being.......

I dont think that their are a lot of game mechanics to implent. They are the same mechanics as for the vivarians. You "just" have to animate the fishes. Or the birds when you replace the vivarians with cages. You do not even have to animate new movements for your visitors or your employes like if you have marine shows or something like that.
And i think the people would buy it and build nice aquarium houses like they build nice vivarian houses

 

[NL_Mutso]

Well I think this is an issue with a lot of people, who want Marine..

First off, I think I get your POV. I've read couple of similar topics and from what I've read they want a very detailed marine addition. I think the 'vivarium' approach conflicts with this..
They want it big !
Please, other Marine DLC fans, correct me if i'm wrong..

Full creative enclosure building (creating your own fish tank, like a normal enclosure
Underwater plants
Guest facilities with a Marine theme and other marine themed stuff.
Marine Shows (seen some arguments pro and con)
Proper AI

Personally I think it's a lot of different adjustments.. Just a few examples: Zoo keeper/vet using the ladder, creating depth for different type of aquatic animals, tricks for a show, behavior of fish, cleaning and feeding in the fish tanks, change in menu/UI and building tools. I think it will cost a lot of time to implement these.

My guess would be a couple of high-demand animals in the upcoming year and after a year or so, a extensive Marine expansion. Or an entirely new game..
If you don't do it proper the first time, you will spend a lot of time fixing/adding features.

 

[Swjosdotschka]

We don't get every animal on the planet because programming detailed animals is expensive. You can't have all for 50 €. We already get A LOT in my opinion. Marine life would be a perfect topic for a DLC.

 

[Kaan]

Well I think this is an issue with a lot of people, who want Marine..

First off, I think I get your POV. I've read couple of similar topics and from what I've read they want a very detailed marine addition. I think the 'vivarium' approach conflicts with this..
They want it big !
Please, other Marine DLC fans, correct me if i'm wrong..

Full creative enclosure building (creating your own fish tank, like a normal enclosure
Underwater plants
Guest facilities with a Marine theme and other marine themed stuff.
Marine Shows (seen some arguments pro and con)
Proper AI

Personally I think it's a lot of different adjustments.. Just a few examples: Zoo keeper/vet using the ladder, creating depth for different type of aquatic animals, tricks for a show, behavior of fish, cleaning and feeding in the fish tanks, change in menu/UI and building tools. I think it will cost a lot of time to implement these.

My guess would be a couple of high-demand animals in the upcoming year and after a year or so, a extensive Marine expansion. Or an entirely new game..
If you don't do it proper the first time, you will spend a lot of time fixing/adding features.

exactly. This is a very comprehensive DLC. it's almost like making another game more. so I don't think it will be the first DLC to be released. We'il have to wait at least a year or two. Oh no, and that means more discussion.

 

[Jesmo]

Well I think this is an issue with a lot of people, who want Marine..

First off, I think I get your POV. I've read couple of similar topics and from what I've read they want a very detailed marine addition. I think the 'vivarium' approach conflicts with this..
They want it big !
Please, other Marine DLC fans, correct me if i'm wrong..

Full creative enclosure building (creating your own fish tank, like a normal enclosure
Underwater plants
Guest facilities with a Marine theme and other marine themed stuff.
Marine Shows (seen some arguments pro and con)
Proper AI

Personally I think it's a lot of different adjustments.. Just a few examples: Zoo keeper/vet using the ladder, creating depth for different type of aquatic animals, tricks for a show, behavior of fish, cleaning and feeding in the fish tanks, change in menu/UI and building tools. I think it will cost a lot of time to implement these.

My guess would be a couple of high-demand animals in the upcoming year and after a year or so, a extensive Marine expansion. Or an entirely new game..
If you don't do it proper the first time, you will spend a lot of time fixing/adding features.

Yeah, so like i said. A big marine DLC would way to much to animate. I do not know if you understood me correctly. What I mean is just a vivarium for fish ^^
Or a "vivarium" just for little birds. I dont mean big animals in a big habitat.
It would makes sense to further develop the concept of the vivariums from the perspective of Frontier.