[Video] Open letter from community to Elite Dangerous

Dutchman141

Dutchman141
Ezren said:
FDev posted a short video about FCs and the forums exploded for weeks afterward.
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I think that's more because we hardly ever get any information at all, thus people react much more strongly when we do get some, be it positive or negative.
Imho, if we got information more often then the intensity of the reactions would be much milder.

People becoming indifferent about what's coming isn't very healthy either imho.
 

EUS

EUS
Stigbob said:
Adverts are like Santa Claus beyond a certain age you are expected to know its not real.
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Of course we're cynical, but your comment is not accurate.
False advertising is actionable in many countries, including the UK.
Consumer protection laws exist for many reasons, one of which is to enforce truthful advertising.
 

Ezren

Ezren
Dutchman141 said:
I think that's more because we hardly ever get any information at all, thus people react much more strongly when we do get some, be it positive or negative.
Imho, if we got information more often then the intensity of the reactions would be much milder.

People becoming indifferent about what's coming isn't very healthy either imho.
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Sounds like a pretty effective strategy, then.

Also, Stuart, it was off the front page! It was dying! You brought it back.
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
EUS said:
Of course we're cynical, but your comment is not accurate.
False advertising is actionable in many countries, including the UK.
Consumer protection laws exist for many reasons, one of which is to enforce truthful advertising.
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It is yes, however this is a bit of a giveaway that even the hard of thinking should get.

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So it doesn't apply, as the ASA obviously thought it was kosher or they would have pulled it. I'm sure a few furious and unrealistic nerds reported it to them.

Falsely accusing people of breaking the law is actionable (if they take you seriously).
 

EUS

EUS
Stigbob said:
It is yes, however this is a bit of a giveaway that even the hard of thinking should get.

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So it doesn't apply, as the ASA obviously thought it was kosher or they would have pulled it. I'm sure a few furious and unrealistic nerds reported it to them.

Falsely accusing people of breaking the law is actionable (if they take you seriously).
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I'm not making the argument that FD practiced false advertising. I'm arguing that your comment that amounted to the acceptance for false advertising is ok, because we should know better, is wrong.
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
EUS said:
I'm not making the argument that FD practiced false advertising. I'm arguing that your comment that amounted to the acceptance for false advertising is ok, because we should know better, is wrong.
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No. I said adults are expected to understand what advertising is, which is why they teach what it is in schools. That's not a comment on its morality.

"more doctors smoke camels than any other cigarette" is a real advertising slogan from the past. Skin whitening soaps are still very heavily advertised. Now those things are super dodgy, that's a comment on morality.

I think FDEV are in the clear really.
 

Rubbernuke

Rubbernuke
Its in FDs own interests to make adverts accurate,otherwise people will play and go -"whut?" really quickly. Maybe its because of the trailer ED put in engineering and enhanced drives to give us really zippy ships. A G5 Eagle with enhanced drives is frankly like the trailer in its mentalness.
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
Burke said:
And the revolution ends with a whimper...
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It was always doomed to failure due to the tone putting more people off than it actually got interested, it was fun though.

Burke said:
What are you saying it is? Lies?
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Advertising is basically the art of telling whoppers just within the legal limitations, and sometimes deliberately getting banned just to grab the extra publicity the ban creates.

None of that applies to FDEV though as they showed shooty zoomy spaceships in their shooty zoomy spaceship game, it even came with a disclaimer.

You'd need to be deliberately ignorant not to know what they were selling given the amount of info there is available.
 

00nutzy

00nutzy
Rubbernuke said:
I think it worked well, FD are now painfully aware that sloppy work is not tolerated. And what did you really expect in the end? FD can only say so much, and players the same.
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Sorry but if it were true that sloppy work is not tolerated they would all have left and taken their money with them. In the end the "new" reply you got was no different from the first one Zac gave, it was just said in a way to make your feelings less hurt.
It was neither a Victory or a Defeat.
 

Burke

B
Rubbernuke said:
I think it worked well, FD are now painfully aware that sloppy work is not tolerated. And what did you really expect in the end? FD can only say so much, and players the same.
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Expect? not alot. Might have looked better if fdev communicated with the offcial forum directly. but yeah whatever, has the ADS come back yet?
 

Rubbernuke

Rubbernuke
00nutzy said:
Sorry but if it were true that sloppy work is not tolerated they would all have left and taken their money with them. In the end the "new" reply you got was no different from the first one Zac gave, it was just said in a way to make your feelings less hurt.
It was neither a Victory or a Defeat.
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Call me crazy, but maybe these players actually want FD to come to its senses a bit because they love the game and don't want to see it covered in duct tape?
 

EUS

EUS
Rubbernuke said:
I think it worked well, FD are now painfully aware that sloppy work is not tolerated. And what did you really expect in the end? FD can only say so much, and players the same.
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Sloppy work not tolerated? Is this humour? Every patch since gold generates the same 10-14 days of limited, spotty, or downright non-playability.
 

Kaocraft

Kaocraft
StuartGT said:
Regarding false advertising in the UK, the ASA investigated Hello Games' marketing (trailers, screenshots, descriptions, etc) following complaints after No Man's Sky's launch debacle, and had no issues with them.
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...mans-sky-steam-page-did-not-mislead-consumers
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Yeah. Although sadly the reason they found no issues with them is largely based on the a standard that "everyone lies all the time, so you're stupid if you believe anything an advertiser says"

Source: https://youtu.be/wPQr4NoRsbQ
 
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