3304 technology

Daniel Cloudsifter

Daniel Cloudsifter
Cmdr. Numa said:
ED is a pretty dystopian setting after a massive crash of civilization and technology. Or so I rationalize the low-tech approach.
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Only "crash" in the ED lore I know about is when humanity shutdown all their AIs when they tried to revolt. A number of peopled died, but they managed to shut them down in time before the damage was catastrophic. The lingering after effect is that without AI tools for design, spaceship design basically froze for a long time. Hence, why we are only seeing new ship designs lately and not a lot of them. [Source: EDRPG Exploration Sourcebook].

Honestly, I wish FDEV would add some of the remnant AI enemies (ships) to the game. Some of those are absolutely freaky (e.g. the Asp Explorer merged with two "docked" sidewinders) and would be tough kills (advanced ECM jams gimballed/turreted weapons like non-stop chaff).

Actually, there is another crash - the constant switching of different hyperdrive tech. That is very official and documented on Drew Wagar's site. However, as we're in the "golden age" of hyperdrive tech, I'm not sure it matters.


Concerning the OP's concern: the lack of good navigation tools is just due to the oversight of the Dev team. That added in planetary landings with 2.0 and didn't think we would need to set waypoints, etc. to explore planets. Ugh. Hopefully, this will be addressed with all the new tools were getting in the Q4 update.
 

Daniel Cloudsifter

Daniel Cloudsifter
EISENHORN01 said:
Have a look at the W40K Universe if you want to see a mad take on future technology. It’s an amazing blend of what we dream of and what we scoff at right now. Amazing technology mixed with dogma and religion it’s a perfect representation of how humanities greatest enemy is itself.
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The latest revision of that universe is actually quite interesting. I found it fascinating that humanity actually dominated the entire galaxy during the "golden age of technology" and we were the most advanced space faring race. Even though much of the template tech has been lost, it explains how humanity is still holding on to dominance by the 41st millennium.

That being said, I'm never going back to any WH40K gaming. Games Workshop got enough of my money years ago. I'm not going back to that money pit. ;)
 

ZeroAi

ZeroAi
Meneer_vandaal said:
So I hazarded a poke at Ram Tah's obelisk-scanning mission. Yes I aborted. I am expected to venture planetside with the 3304 equivalent of a notebook and a stick. I flew here in a diamondback explorer with I don't know how many megacreds onboard computers but technology to serve a decent surface map, to keep bookmarks and to plot a route and drive-by-arrow are not available anymore.
The oddest part is that you DO have a surface map AND you know your location... enough information to even anno 2018 put a pointer on a map ( ask google ).
It's not very "immersive" to fly around in a future universe but have to use cro-magnon tools.
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Agreed!

My 2011 car has a rearview camera (no guessing what's behind me), adaptive cruise control (no turns of shame because I gained too much speed going down hill) , Video/MP3 Player (USB, SD, CD, DVD, Satelite Radio, phone, tablet, etc) and a color GPS with Lat/Log input (no more searching for place I have coordinates for,) and many other things I wish my expensive spaceships from 3304 had :-(
 

[Diplomacy] Carnegie

[Diplomacy] Carnegie
Greylock said:
Agreed!

My 2011 car has a rearview camera (no guessing what's behind me), adaptive cruise control (no turns of shame because I gained too much speed going down hill) , Video/MP3 Player (USB, SD, CD, DVD, Satelite Radio, phone, tablet, etc) and a color GPS with Lat/Log input (no more searching for place I have coordinates for,) and many other things I wish my expensive spaceships from 3304 had :-(
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My bicycle has none of those things.

Clearly in ED spaceships are evolved from bicycles.
 

EISENHORN01

EISENHORN01
Daniel Cloudsifter said:
The latest revision of that universe is actually quite interesting. I found it fascinating that humanity actually dominated the entire galaxy during the "golden age of technology" and we were the most advanced space faring race. Even though much of the template tech has been lost, it explains how humanity is still holding on to dominance by the 41st millennium.

That being said, I'm never going back to any WH40K gaming. Games Workshop got enough of my money years ago. I'm not going back to that money pit. ;)
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oh heck yeah if there’s one company that knows how to drag every penny out of you it’s GW, I often think they invented the concept of DLC. That being said I still spend a fortune on books (just did another black Library event this weekend past)
 

Meneer_vandaal

Meneer_vandaal
Ursusskandia said:
AI was banned after a devastating war. That's the whole reason CMDR's exist and we have to fly out there - otherwise everything could be automated in the 34th century. At least that is my thought when meeting an inconsistency like that in the game.
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"AI" and "Usable tools" are quite different things.
It appears to be allowed to have a machine aim your turrets (it has even autonomous fire-decision ability) yet "marking a point of interest on a planet" is impossible. "Plotting a route" is me, telling the computer to show me the next point --> I SET <-- in the route and show it on the map. No AI required, simply something that can manage lists (Not FD's forte, they still have problems listing/scrolling through the mission board properly).

I know this is a game. I know the state of technology is not related to any real technology, but if you have computers that can realise a jump over 64 lightyears and manage to plop you within 0.1 AU of a star, someone somewhere somewhen managed to build an actually quite excellent location/route/direction correlation tool. The technology is there. All you have to do is feed it other data and serve it via a different interface.

I guess we're flying with open source systems.
 

VR SenseiMatty

VR SenseiMatty
Meneer_vandaal said:
So I hazarded a poke at Ram Tah's obelisk-scanning mission. Yes I aborted. I am expected to venture planetside with the 3304 equivalent of a notebook and a stick. I flew here in a diamondback explorer with I don't know how many megacreds onboard computers but technology to serve a decent surface map, to keep bookmarks and to plot a route and drive-by-arrow are not available anymore.
The oddest part is that you DO have a surface map AND you know your location... enough information to even anno 2018 put a pointer on a map ( ask google ).
It's not very "immersive" to fly around in a future universe but have to use cro-magnon tools.
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If humanity is still here in 3304 we will have smartphone able to record our dreams, autonomous vehicle and equipment able to read people mind, but still we won't be able to reach Sagittarius A* in few hours and take selfies with it in the background.
 

Meneer_vandaal

Meneer_vandaal
Alas, a major part of humanity died in 2029 in the Big Coronal Mass Ejection.
Their iBreathers crashed and stopped and they choked to death (surrounded by breathable atmosphere).
Without the iCaste the rest of mankind could not survive. ;)

I have no idea what we "will have". I do know what we now have. I know they could already tell the composition of a star at 100ly since Josef von Fraunhofer discovered absorption lines. (2 centuries ago now?) So what has humanity become? A bunch of Tommyknockers, capable of building amazing machines but not understanding what they build? o_O

If on the one hand you're trying to tell the players "immersion" is so important in this game, how can you allow a blind spot for this kind of inconsistency to break that "immersion"?
Why not hand-crank your cargo bay door open (would save me the check whether it has enough power if I deploy my weapons 😝)?
 

myothershipisacobraiv

myothershipisacobraiv
edit: why u necro bro?

some spoilers maybe

Wait what? What's low tech about this stuff again?

I don't understand the problem. You accept the mission, check the map for a guardian system. Get in, FSS the system, find the planet, DSS the planet, cruise down to the ruins, land, tool around and get the scans you need.

I failed out this mission because I actually went to the ruins as mentioned by the Codex first, expecting a hail from Rah Tah when I did. When I finally did unlock Ram Tah the regular way, I went back to him, but I went directly to him and you have to land on the station lul. So I only actually triggered the mission when I had already been doing the guardian thing for a month or so. Which as an aside, took me so long because the game kept giving me weapons when I just wanted the FSD. So when I got the mission from Ram Tah when I docked on the station just for kicks when I went to him to get Heatsinks engineered, I went back to a couple ruins to do the mission but he kept telling me it wasn't the right combination. I ended up maxing out my capacity for like 3 of the 5 data types.

I assume his mission only works with specific systems.

Anyway I don't get what you're trying to find. Fly over the sites to see where the data thingies are. Then drive to them. I agree a lot in this game seems a bit too1984 standards leaning. But you know, this is also part of the cultural feel of Elite. When I first started playing the game, the title screen screamed Alien at me. I miss that title screen. The way everything else looked screamed 1970s scifi. I think both of this is pretty cool. But I agree the game would be better for more in-depth systems design in places.

So I just looked this up just now which is something I don't really do for this game and I see now what you're talking about. The problem is the game has no relationship to any kind of map method. Going by the map is running you into the deficits of the navigational system. But I see now that that's because this stupid mission exists so far outside of the scope of the mechanical systems in the wtffffff and oh my god

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The fact that there is a hidden Open only requirement that you are not warned about is horrible. I did go Solo one time when I saw a wanted Krait and I was in a Cobra. I might have played that whole site in Solo. The fact that you only need 2 of each thing in the cargobay of your ship completely undermines the game mechanic. I thought you needed them in your SRV!!! Oh my god the gall of this.

I can only assume this was intentionally designed to be an ARG thing that the internet would figure out together. You were never intended start with a map.

I'm mad about the way the items work was designed though. That's not right.
 

Tarman

Tarman
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