The ADS

[MadDogMurdock]

As have I. I have written it down on this thread twice, but with no comment. Funny that.

I have now added it to the other thread about improving the FSS.

You keep saying that and I’ve replied specifically to it any number of times.

All the compromises require new FSS development that FD currently have no plans to do.
So all they represent is unnecessary delay, potentially years, instead of the clear and obvious solution that could be applied very quickly.

No-one has any comment, Funny that.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

You keep saying that and I’ve replied specifically to it any number of times.

All the compromises require new FSS development that FD currently have no plans to do.
So all they represent is unnecessary delay, potentially years, instead of the clear and obvious solution that could be applied very quickly.

No-one has any comment, Funny that.

They also have no plans on adding back the ADS, so all we can do is try to find common ground. For instance, I like some of your ideas on the other thread. Not all of them mind.

 

[Burke]

Upgrade 2 populates a system map reveal which is not targetable. Players can choose to use it to help them identify what's in a system beyond the information already provided by the energy spectrum and then must use the FSS to locate and scan bodies if the system is of interest to them.

Congratulations on finding a compromise that seems to cover all the bases and yet nobody escapes from the FSS

 

[MadDogMurdock]

The problem with that is you want it both as (IIRC) you don't accept a mutual exclusive solution either. This is the only condition required if you want me to get into your boat.

A mutually exclusive solution is completely unnecessary.
Not sure why you keep coming back to it.

If it’s just a matter of principle, then sure.
The ADS alone would be better for me than the FSS alone.

But I’ve yet to see a convincing argument about why they need to be exclusive.
If the FSS is so great, why would you want to stop us from using it at all?

 

[MadDogMurdock]

They also have no plans on adding back the ADS, so all we can do is try to find common ground. For instance, I like some of your ideas on the other thread. Not all of them mind.

I’m aware - I quoted the post earlier.
But that isn’t all we can do - we can examine FD’s reasoning.

The focus here is to actually tease out the ‘detrimental’ part of Adam’s post.
Adam didn’t give any reason why he felt the ADS would be detrimental.

That’s what I’ve been doing for the last dozen pages.
Teasing out that reason - I still haven’t seen anyone provide anything with any substance to it.

 

[Burke]

I would draw attention to the official reply, particularly the bit that says "at this time." it does suggest that after a suitable delay, perhaps a few months, that there is room for change.

 

[Enderby]

Detrimental because no one would use the FSS, I imagine.

 

[Burke]

Detrimental because no one would use the FSS, I imagine.

People who hunt signals in space might, and mission runners. Its less appropriate as an exploration tool.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

I give up. I think I still have a pending (and more enjoyable) talk to a parking meter...

Ok, bye.

 

[Faded Glory]

A mutually exclusive solution is completely unnecessary.
Not sure why you keep coming back to it.

If it’s just a matter of principle, then sure.
The ADS alone would be better for me than the FSS alone.

But I’ve yet to see a convincing argument about why they need to be exclusive.
If the FSS is so great, why would you want to stop us from using it at all?

I have to say that I actually agree with this...

Although the suggestion I posted just above this would mean that someone wanting the advantages of the FSS (very fast scanning from a distance) would have to actually use the FSS as designed to locate the body to scan it, I don't really see why that should be required (bearing in mind that any workaround that I've seen suggested would IMO be much slower anyway).

The FSS simply isn't that difficult to use.

But if people don't enjoy using it, I see no reason at all why, in a game of all things, they should be forced to use it.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I’m aware - I quoted the post earlier.
But that isn’t all we can do - we can examine FD’s reasoning.

The focus here is to actually tease out the ‘detrimental’ part of Adam’s post.
Adam didn’t give any reason why he felt the ADS would be detrimental.

That’s what I’ve been doing for the last dozen pages.
Teasing out that reason - I still haven’t seen anyone provide anything with any substance to it.

Their reasoning is irrelevant. They don't want to add it back and probably won't do and that's all that counts. Continually going on about it isn't going to help. Also many of us have already indicated why, not too sure if that is the case regarding Fdev though. You will have to ask them if they want to reply.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

Their reasoning is irrelevant. They don't want to add it back and probably won't do and that's all that counts. Continually going on about it isn't going to help. Also many of us have already indicated why, not too sure if that is the case regarding Fdev though. You will have to ask them if they want to reply.

Of course it’s relevant.

As for the why, so far we have:

• pi’s perceived inconsistency
• Max’s personal lore and feelings

 

[Scytale]

The FSS simply isn't that difficult to use.
But if people don't enjoy using it, I see no reason at all why, in a game of all things, they should be forced to use it.

FSS is a pick, drag and drop dull minigame demanding no skill nor insight. How can people enjoy that.. thing ?
FD already proved that they enjoy to force us to play their sandbox the way they mean, but they don't even play the game !

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Of course it’s relevant.

As for the why, so far we have:

• pi’s perceived inconsistency
• Max’s personal lore and feelings

Again you attempt to belittle. What the he is wrong with you. It's not my personal lore you div. It's the already in game ED lore. You're just a nasty little twit.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

Again you attempt to belittle. What the he is wrong with you. It's not my personal lore you div. It's the already in game ED lore. You're just a nasty little twit.

Enough with the insults Max, you might hurt my feelings.

The ADS is not in the game, putting it back is what seems to offend your understanding of the lore.
Or is your argument, it’s not in the game so that’s why it’s not in the game.

Seriously, what is the lore that you speak of?
I’m not personally aware of what the in-game reasons for the FSS working the way it does and why the ADS wouldn’t fit alongside that.
Are there official resources you can point to?

 

[Thatchinho]

Guys, can I just make an appeal to disregard whatever this particular thread is making you think of people.

If you take a read of what the same people are saying on the FSS suggestions thread, it paints a different picture.

These ADS threads always bring a bad tone to them, let’s not mistake that general tone of the thread for the general tone of the people in the thread.

 

[Burke]

These ADS threads always bring a bad tone to them, let’s not mistake that general tone of the thread for the general tone of the people in the thread.

If you look, i made my reply in that thread and look what happened. The next few posts had trolls and then you had to ask people to stay on topic. Its those people who bring the bad tone, its not ADS threads its this forum.

Im deliberatly not posting in there cause i dont want it disrupted on my account.

 

[Ezren]

FSS is a pick, drag and drop dull minigame demanding no skill nor insight. How can people enjoy that.. thing ?
FD already proved that they enjoy to force us to play their sandbox the way they mean, but they don't even play the game !

So how much skill and insight does the ADS require?

Because you keep accusing the FSS of being too simple, or too basic, too boring, things any reasonable person would realize applies more to the ADS and any rational person would think "gosh, I sound like a hypocrite".

So I guess I'm more curious how you avoid that, but I think the answer is that you don't care about comparing the two, you just care about complaining.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

Congratulations on finding a compromise that seems to cover all the bases and yet nobody escapes from the FSS

Yeah, that idea still leaves me using parallax to discover bodies. So nope, it's a terrible compromise.

I honestly don't understand why people insist I use the FSS to scan bodies. I just want to scan them by FLYING to them.

 

[Burke]

hehehe. Im exactly the same. I just want to pretend the FSS never happened.