So about space legs.... RPG or FPS?

Here look sinse we are doing dark wheel quotes.....

"Alex had come without a hand weapon, and now began to regret it. Practically everyone—and everything—he saw carried a gun, in contradiction of orbit-space law. He walked cautiously through the crowds of reptilioids, cloaked amphibioids, armoured insectoids, squat, bristling felines,and the grotesque robo-tanks in which things that looked like giant molluscs, or worms, or branches of heather, moved within the safety of their own environment "

Elite does have good lore. Its not tolkein levels but there is definatly enough for a decent RPG/shooter.
 
Here look sinse we are doing dark wheel quotes.....

"Alex had come without a hand weapon, and now began to regret it. Practically everyone—and everything—he saw carried a gun, in contradiction of orbit-space law. He walked cautiously through the crowds of reptilioids, cloaked amphibioids, armoured insectoids, squat, bristling felines,and the grotesque robo-tanks in which things that looked like giant molluscs, or worms, or branches of heather, moved within the safety of their own environment "

Elite does have good lore. Its not tolkein levels but there is definatly enough for a decent RPG/shooter.

i think it would be cool that if the goids are the main baddies for FPS, then the humans are better in FPS combat. Or at least under gravity. Maybe the thargoids are better in null G
 
Being devils advocate; it shall consist of dull shooter instances, devoid of players, long empty square hallways locked in a mini game existing outside the main game universe.

There will be no risk, there will be grind and there will be no real need for it. Because honestly it will be ill thought out follow the market trend content.

I've lost faith in FD ability to recognise a good idea when its sitting in the same room as them.

Call it incredulous but sometimes you have to acknowledge the horse in the room to get those in control to turn around and notice no-one is cheering.

Personally I'd love to see them tackle social interaction and breath life into the game. NPC crews, dynamic stations with their politics and social dynamics visible as you walk through them. For inner space to be as expansive as outerspace.

I can't say anymore what FD are going to do based on their continued inability to address key core elements and pour money onto ill conceived concepts . Sure its going to be pretty but will it be engrossing?

I do hope for the last couple of years FD have been holding down a cool exterior quietly building foundations into thier game that eventually go towards supporting a rich game play universe that is going to have to hold its own in a year which is going to see some major works of game-art draw breadth.

Its that impending inevitability that gives me faith (wavering) that whats to come will be a rich RPG space legs exspansion with room to plug in explosive FPS aspects....

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I'd hope for more of an RPG experience with populated starports, visible passengers, and more face to face interactions, but it'll almost certainly be an FPS minigame.
 
I think it will be exactly like the rest of ED...good base mechanics, nice graphics, great sound and lots of RNG and repetition.

I can imagine "Raid the installation" missions where you need to breech a small building on a remote planet, kill a few drones / turrets / bad guys, download some data and fly back. Now think of all of the various locations that mission could be viable, ships, stations etc. and that is what we will get...ad nauseum.

They may throw in some "repair your ship" mechanics, maybe spacewalks. There might even be some opportunities to walk around stations and interact with NPCs but there will be a small selection of dialogue options and it will probably be quite dry and a bit boring after a few days.

I just don't think FD understand the 'game' part.
 
Nah, I can't see FDev giving us legs at all, just look at what's going on, they'll do anything to avoid it... they even promised to fix the bugs for the next year so they can delay the Fleet Carriers, then probably fix some more bugs that FC's bought in, and then toss up whether to introduce the new paid content or not... and decide that the ten year plan is about sorted and never have to fulfil "we'd like to see's" of Ice Worlds, Comets, and Atmospheric Planets let alone Space Legs!
 
I look to FDev's old mutterings to where they might go. I suspect they'd like to try some level of RPG-ness. IE due to chat about:

But with the major caveat that it'll have to play nice with proc gen. Which means it'll probably be its own (slightly limping ;)) beast...

Certainly the old desires for synthetic voices speak to that approach. The ancient 'tier 3' NPCs of the DDF. And if a chat Yamiks had with the devs is right, it's still a side of ED they're going for, over bespoke content.

I think there's some potential there (minor factions & your standing with them providing the 'social landscape' etc). But blam blam is the more vocally outlined plan. And base building does suggest a survivalism tilt. So who knows if they could focus crazy resources on the roladex RPG aspect amongst all that.
 
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Nah, I can't see FDev giving us legs at all, just look at what's going on, they'll do anything to avoid it... they even promised to fix the bugs for the next year so they can delay the Fleet Carriers, then probably fix some more bugs that FC's bought in, and then toss up whether to introduce the new paid content or not... and decide that the ten year plan is about sorted and never have to fulfil "we'd like to see's" of Ice Worlds, Comets, and Atmospheric Planets let alone Space Legs!

Funny old world. Some see the absence of meaningful content now as evidence that they're mainly working on a big DLC, as they claim. Others see it as evidence that they're not.

(And yet others note that a 'leak' which precisely predicts an IP tie-in for a minor DLC on game getting mothballed, months in advance... probably has some decent intel up it's sleeves ;))

Guess time will tell.
 
Going back to the book the darkwheel, the inside facing of coriolis stations had a city on it with a patch of neutral gravity in the middle. There is enough there to construct an entire blanderunner type dark gritty future that, while its a combat oriented FPS along the lines of space wild west perhaps, there would also be other professions tha could duck combat altogether if they wanted to.

You know I was just thinking how to do legs when for most of the time and space in the ED universe the only person in a station or on a planet might be just you. It's all very well having legs and stations with interiors but if there's only one person in that interior it's going to get boring quickly. That also applies to instances and the number of people in the instance of course. What I was thinking was, why have multiple station interiors modelled at all, and P2P and instancing for these stations? Why not just one station model on a dedicated server, so that when you exit your ship to the station all players get transferred to the dedicated server, no P2P, on the same station and it could be a proper MMO on the station with thousands of players so you could actually have some proper FPS and appropriate adventuring.

Interactions with stations for missions and things would still happen mainly from the ship so that you still got missions relevant to where you were, but missions pretty much location agnostic could be obtained from locations in the station.
 
Maybe it's going to be a horror game. That would be a surprise. Like, every time you land on a station somewhere and step out of your spaceship, there are blighted monsters and molluscs and thargoids everywhere. Then just quietly drop out the spaceship part after a few months.
 
I will be surprised if is much more than just being able to walk around our ships, and having the choice to interact with station services NPC's in a first/third person view. I honestly don't think I would want to bother with much more than that.
 
I'd prefer it to be more RPG. I'd like interesting beautifully designed and rendered environments to walk through and explore, and fully realised animated NPCs to interact with to bring the galaxy to life.

I fear it will actually be endless modular cut and paste corridors ... and shooting.
 
If we are quote old lore

Big game Hunting ala Call of the Wild

BIO-FIELD: THE POLAR BEAR OF EXIOCE
M.C.S

O'Rourke's Colony, Exioce. Imperial world, recognised throughout the Galaxy as a Planet of Special Scientific Interest (pssi) was also one of the first worlds on which custom bio-engineered species were designed, bred and released.

The Exiocan Polar Bear, derived from Earth stock, has been an enormous success. Standard Polar Bear embryos (fertile) were imported from earth and successive generations underwent modification as far as the F8 which is the current breeding stock. These bears have increased levels of Growth Hormone ensuring that they grow to at least twice the mass of the F1s, altered CNS catecholamine sensitivity to enhance the sympathetic responses and an increase in ferocity to ensure that the response to stress is 'fight' and not 'flight'.

Early problems with intra-species fighting have been largely overcome by increasing the inter-sibling bonding and confining bears of differing 'tribes' to separate land masses. Similarly, the early catastrophic reduction in prey species has been ameliorated by the introduction to the planet of genetically enhanced walrus, seal and penguin, all natural prey species on Earth. All three were enlarged and underwent a similar enhancement of the sympathetic system although with the 'flight' responses increased to reduce the kill rate.

So far, the balance seems to be holding and the native fauna have not been observably affected by the introductions.


Time will tell.

YETI HUNTING SEASON OPENS- WIN TWO FREE TICKETS


Well, it's that time of the decade again. The guys and gals with the guns are out in force, braving the sub-zero temperatures, the treacherous snow fields, the crushing ice-floes and the icy gales to murder cuddly polar bears, hack at the seals, harpoon the walrus and generally indulge in an orgy of bloodlust.

We at RIG have always been trenchant supporters of the anti-hunting lobby but we have to admit to a certain sneaking admiration for the dedication of those who are prepared to forego all but the bearest (geddit? Ed) of life's essentials for their sport.

O'Rourke's Colony is cold folks, seriously cold and there aren't many amenities out there. Added to that, the Imperial Guard snow patrols maintain a constant watch to check that none of the happy hunters is breaking the rules by using anything seriously dangerous. Projectile weapons only (no lasers), nothing bigger than a .303 and no more than twenty rounds per person per week, maximum.

On top of that, you have to face the wrath of the Exiocan Polar Bear - genetically engineered to have bigger teeth and a nastier temper than almost anything else in the Universe. But the nastiest nasty of them all is the Yeti.

No-one's seen it and lived. No-one's got close enough to film it. But everyone who's been there has heard it roar. That's the real reason they go back, season after season.

Everyone who is anyone in the hunting world wants to be the first to have nailed a Yeti. If you're one of them and you can't quite scrape together the 11,586.99 credits for a week's hunting, never fear.

We're offering TWO, yes TWO FREE TICKETS to the Galaxy's coldest holiday zone. All you have to do is mail us with YOUR idea of what to do with the Yeti when you've found it. Best answer gets the ticket.

MAIL US NOW.

DIPLOMATIC SUMMITS?
M.C.S

In yet another example of Federal and Imperial hypocrisy, the latest 'Summit' meeting to discuss the wording of the Tiliala Peace Treaty is taking place on, of all places, O'Rourke's Colony, Exioce.

O'Rourke's, officially designated as a 'planet of special scientific interest' is one of the many examples of mutual Federal/Imperial co-operation behind the backs of their populations. Diplomats, dignitaries, lawyers and other hierarchs of both galactic powers spend their days hunting the Exiocan Polar Bear - recognised Galaxy-wide as one of the most savage legitimate quarry species ever to be engineered - and their evenings discussing weighty matters beside a roaring REAL log fire, drinking glasses of aquavite and eating caviar.

The decadence has to be seen to be imagined but none of us are likely to see it. O'Rourke was ear-marked early in the spread of the Empire as an ideal game hunting area and a series of interdicts were passed to ensure that it remained unspoiled by the great unwashed of any political affiliation. Video filming or replication of any kind is forbidden in order to maintain the sense of exclusivity.

To be invited for a week's hunting at O'R's is to finally have ascended to the highest echelon of either State. In this, the Federation and Empire are, not surprisingly, at one.

We at Frontier News feel glad to live in a System that is free from this kind of political double dealing.

PRINCE HARALD GETS CLOSE SHAVE!
M.C.S

Young Harry's done it again.

The walking disaster zone of a Hereditary heir to all that is the Empire went out to blow the heads off some poor defenceless Polar Bear in Exioce and the Bear fought back.

Good on ya Bear, we say.

The hapless ursid (that's 'bear' to the rest of you) was taking a quick snooze on an ice-floe when Harry and his crew snuck up with their hand-held rocket launchers (they deny using anything so violent but we know better) and went in for the kill.

Young Harry, naturally, wanted all the glory and raced in, guns blazing with his 'make my day, bear' battle cry and the bear did for him. Well, it tried as hard as it could before the trusty hunters piled in and brought the entertainment to a close. The lad's got a nasty cut over his right eye and there's a rumour of the odd broken rib.

Nothing that the surgeons can't fit back together, of course, but enough to give the right royal household a right royal shock. which is only what you deserve when you go out with murder in mind. Right??!

Mail us with YOUR views on the Imperial Idiot and we'll publish the best.

And while we're here... Did you hear of the latest fiasco in the Valhallan sagas? Every police force in the Galaxy was hot on the tail of [MiR(Til Pn or NPC). And every single one has claimed success. They can't all be right, can they?

What's the betting that there are one or two doppelgangers still hanging around and the REAL culprit is, as we write, sitting by a pool in New California where, as we all know, the Pure Cold Crater Juice is the best anywhere in the Galaxy.

ULTIMATE HUNT 1.
J.F.
As a project I have contacted a few friends of mine and asked them what they consider the best hunt they have ever had. Over the next few days I'll bring you their thoughts but first I'd like to tell you about mine. We'd hit the sack early the night before and we were in position by two hours before dawn. The tethered goat grazed quietly as the sun came up like thunder over the snow-topped mountains. Long shadows dappled the grass.
Suddenly he was there. Eighteen feet long from nose to tail-tip, not the dull yellow of his earth ancestor but bright orange between the midnight black stripes. I cocked my antique Mauser and took aim. He heard me. That great head swung round and our eyes locked.
Everything froze. I thought I'd blown it. Then he sprang! Not away, not into the safety of the elephant grass but straight at me!
My bullet took him right between the eyes. What a magnificent beast! What courage!
For me the ultimate quarry is the kzin tiger of New Earth.
ULTIMATE HUNT 2.
J.F.
When Ed asked me to write a piece on my best hunt I got out my hunt records and sat looking through them with a pipe and a glass and a couple of friends to yarn and argue. It made a great evening. I know I've told you before how important it is to keep a record of each day in the field because that's how you learn. Years later you can be looking through the record and suddenly you understand why that day was lucky or unlucky, why some days you killed and other days you didn't. I often turn to one particular record, stare at it and try to understand why that day it worked.
My regular by-line says it all. They call me Kurt Monneker the Moonfish Man.
There are three of us in all the Galaxy. It was a bright day and that was against all the rules. They're called moonfish because the theory is you catch them at night. Well it was day and I could see them rising just outside the reef, taking pukoi fly as they drifted in from the mangroves. I had a light rig, a Donne and Bradstreet hyperfine rod with a mengistu centrepin reel and a .1kg line with whale oil dressing. I'd tied the lure that morning, the closest thing to the pukoi I could manage from Arcturan pheasant hackle and silver wire. I cast over those fish until my wrist ached. Sometimes they rose right beside my lure, took a real pukoi and dove back into the darkness. And then I made the perfect cast and it was taken like a tiger. He was less than a kilo but he fought like a demon. It took me an hour on that rig to get him over the reef and into the net. And I looked at that cunning eye and those mirrored silver flanks and I eased out the hook and I let him go.
Three of us have hooked the moonfish. All you have to do is get it right. Not near enough, not 99. Not 99.999. Right.
And when you do there's nothing like it.
ULTIMATE HUNT 3.
J.F.
The best hunt is when you cast away all civilisation and go after your quarry man to man. I was eighteen when I got my first snowbear. We'd trekked out into the New Rockies with backpacks and we bivouacked under the stars each night, living off wild trout and berries.
After a week we got onto his spoor and we tracked those pug marks for two days over the glacier before we got sight of him. He was a huge silverback, pugs as big as plates and big yellow teeth that looked six inches long when he turned and roared.
Then he charged.
I flicked open the Mellor sheath on my hip and the handle of my trusty old knife dropped into my palm. He was on me. I'd spent months training in VR but it's not the same when his hot fetid breath wraps round you and those huge claws reach to tear your heart out.
You get one chance, one strike with the knife. Otherwise when it says game over it means it. His eyes looked into mine as the blade struck home, surprised but understanding... yes, understanding what had happened. He fell like a rockslide. They had to pull him off me and it took three months for my ribs to heal. Man to man.
That's the way of the frontier. Man to beast. Eye to eye.
That's why we're frontiersmen.
ULTIMATE HUNT 4.
J.F.
The thing that makes the best hunt is when you trek, when you pursue. It's not the kill, it's the anticipation and the effort you have to put in before you get to the killing zone. That's why I always choose the big low density planets, places where the atmosphere is deep and the hills go on for ever. It took me years to work out that it's the size of the planet that gives you the winds the High Eagles need, the long reaches of ocean and plain where the gales build and stalk until they break on the mountains in vast eddies and upcurrents where the Eagles can soar and wait.
Trek in with your wings on your back. Find an upslope and strap into your kit and put the loop of your EG-46 around your wrist. Step off into space. The wind grabs you and whirls you up, the monolayer creaking under the G. Move sideways and you wheel and soar with the Eagles. Choose your quarry and stalk him through the long day with the bleak bare mountains below as you pursue and he flees. At last you close, you fly alongside him and he turns to rend you, to send you tumbling down through the empty miles below to smash in red ruin on the great heaving shoulder of his planet home. One shot as he turns those cold golden eyes to you, one shot into the gaping crimson beak. Follow him down, sideslipping through the clouds down to the rock where he lays.
Then, the only trophy of the day a feather from his tail tucked firmly into your belt, you set off back through the long slow twilight.
ULTIMATE HUNT 5.
J.F.
Maybe you'll notice this hasn't got any names in it. Well, there's a reason. The ultimate hunt for me is an illegal prey, illegal except on this one planet where they've outlawed inorganics and any that show are given one day to get out of town or face the consequences. You'd be surprised how often the droids decide to take the risk. They get kitted out and head for the hills with every hunter on the planet baying for their... well, you can't say blood can you? Oil maybe, that golden ichor they use instead of the red stuff.
I got my droid after it had killed ten men, ten experienced hunters with notches on their blasters. I'd holed up in a cave with a seep of smoke drifting downwind. I knew he'd smell me out. Two days it took him and I was nodding over my gun. He was unarmed I knew, damaged by the last man who'd died under his fists. A falling stone alerted me too late.
Desperately I tried to raise my gun but his hand struck like a snake. He tore my gun out of my hand and he turned my own weapon onto me. Without a pause he flicked off the safety and fired.
OK, so it was a sneak trick, but you can't take chances with a 'droid. It's the kill that counts. The bullet exploded out the back of the gun and blew his glass head to shards. Droids. They're fast, they're mean. They know what it's going to be like and they keep coming in.
Me, I think they enjoy the game. Maybe they just can't figure out any other way to die.
They're the ultimate hunt.
ULTIMATE HUNT 6.
J.F.
I know all the arguments about hunting using minimum kit but sometimes the prey is so large you use everything and even that is only just enough. If you go after Leviathan on Liaququ with anything less than a two hundred metre raft, corner rooks twenty metres high with high test hawsers and Hunt Council rated winches you are going to come away a disappointed man if you come away at all.
And for those who don't know what it's like and think that there's no challenge with all that kit, then think again. Every time I've been out we've had to rebait. I know some people hire baitmen but that makes it all too easy. I do my own. When you're down there in the black water and you're trying to connect up that two metre worm and your hands are shaking and you feel him stirring in the deeps below you, feel the ocean surge as his fins like football fields fan the water, you know what it's like to be part of the ultimate hunt.
I've baited three times. I've hooked him once and he smashed two hundred tonne breaking strain filament like cotton candy. I'll get him next time.
Maybe.
ULTIMATE HUNT 7.
J.F.
Last night we were chewing the fat in Harry's Bar. The talk turned to the ultimate kill. Between us we had about a megayear's experience on a k of different planets. This was expert talk.
First we thought about size. Then we decided that size doesn't matter.
Then we thought about armour. Armour slows your quarry down.
Then we thought about speed. Speed is used to run away.
Then we thought about brains. It's brains that makes a good quarry. Just listen when hunters get together. Listen to the words they use when they talk about their favourite hunt item. They use words like sneaky and wily and clever. We couldn't decide even then.
Me, I had more experience than even that bunch of guys: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. So if anyone should be able to work it out it's me. I sat there thinking. Along the back of Harry's bar there's a big mirror. I looked at our reflections, eight men with enough kills to fill a slaughterhouse and stuff it three times over with fur and scales and feathers.
The ultimate quarry looked out at me. I raised my glass and toasted my companions who went on talking of tigers and tarpon. But their eyes were on me.
They knew what I meant.


And if youre against it

CO TERRORISTS STRIKE ON BIG GAME WORLD
M.C.S
Eco terrorists performed a breath-taking invasion on the big game hunting park on the Federal planet of Teem.
The 'Teem Boar' had recently been identified as a new potential game species; the combination of intelligence, territorial instincts and an innate savagery when protecting their offspring rendered them ideal in all respects. Both sows and boars can be induced to attack with extreme ferocity but are unlikely to launch pre-mediated, unexpected attacks on hunters who remain outwith the breeding territory (unlike the Choa-Bird of Rrion - co-ordinated hunting packs of which wiped out several parties of big-gamers before it was realised that they had near sub-human intelligence and hunting was deemed unsuitable)
The attack happened as the InterGalactic Big Game Hunter Federation (IGBGHF) was finishing preparations to turn the entire world into a Sporting Reserve. Bookings had been taken for the first party of sporting fanatics towards the end of the current breeding season. and hides had been being erected in suitable locations near to the breeding territories.
Reinand Snow, the President of the IGBGHF was due to arrive on the planet for a ceremonial inauguration and hunting of the first family of boars. Arrival dates had been changed several times prior to the actual day and the armed faction of the Intergalactic Species Protection Force had failed to aquifer the exact itinerary and timed their raid a full cycle ahead of the President's arrival.
Nevertheless, an active service group succeeded in penetrating the tight security cordon and landed on the perimeter of the sporting complex. From there, they forced their way into the heart of the control area, killing guards, monitor staff and scientists and disabling the catering and service androids. They sealed shut the docking station and systematically destroyed the hides and all facilities for human habitation.
Press releases from the Force headquarters state that the group have successfully halted all hunting facilities and escaped without loss of life. They further state their claim that the Boar should be considered a protected species and the political arm of the Force are working to that end in the council of the InterGalactic Species Federation.
 
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