Why do you think FD decided to forget about the DDF?

I suppose if you ignore everything they've ever said or done you could see it that way, it would be wildly inaccurate though.

In this very thread it has been established that this is what you do.

What has also been established is that you appear to be happy with what has been delivered and what is (or isn't) going to be delivered.

So it seems you have no interest in this topic other than to mock others.


So when I state that you make mountains out of molehills, this is what I mean.
 
Said what exactly that some stuff would be cool if they could do it with the proviso that plans change, technical feasibility is a thing and they had the final say ?.

I'll show you something they definitely said that predates all this rubbish, even the renaming that some people think is significant of nefarious intent and I think was FDEV trying to rein in peoples delusions of grandeur :

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Being part of a discussion doesn't mean anyone has to take your suggestions as instructions, construction of a roadmap or that they are in any way practical or realistic. The DDF buyers paid to chat with the devs that's all it ever was.

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No one is denying this.
We already said multiple times the threads were created by FD.
We question why they decided to do CQC for example instead of things discussed in the DDF.
 
Why do you keep posting links to stuff I repeatedly told you I never read or watched as though it proves something about my memory ?.

The only thing it demonstrates is that you have some massive gaps in your reading comprehension, which is pretty much a summary of what I've been saying and proving all along (with your help).

What you imagine dependent entirely on you ignoring the things said to you only exists inside your head.

You ignore facts simply because you didn't read them. LOL
 

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We question why they decided to do CQC for example instead of things discussed in the DDF.

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We do intend to release small, free updates after launch...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous
Really big expansions are likely to be paid for while we also intend for some smaller free updates.

In addition to CQC, among many other smaller free updates, FDEV have done indeed quite a lot of things discussed in the DDF aswell.

Isn´t that precisely the prerrogative of the developer?
 
It is pretty easy to sit around a brain storming session, go "yeah, that sounds great" only to find out when the actual work starts getting done that what sounded great proves to be crap, doesn't fit, doesn't work, or isn't actually as great as it sounded at the time. Would you want something that sounded great but proves to be crap implemented?

Again, FD was the creator of those threads. Not the community.
Design Decision Forum, the threads were created by Frontier.
 
In this very thread it has been established that this is what you do.

What has also been established is that you appear to be happy with what has been delivered and what is (or isn't) going to be delivered.

So it seems you have no interest in this topic other than to mock others.

So when I state that you make mountains out of molehills, this is what I mean.

I'm not the one asking for a refund based on apparently psychic knowledge of the future coupled with denial of both past and present.

You ignore facts simply because you didn't read them. LOL

Nope I ignore theorycrafting, which factually is all that ever was. As FDEV repeatedly told you.
 
Have you seen the Diablo 4 trailer?

Yes and I liked it. But after D3 (which I didn't buy) I will be cautious and I may even skip 4.
The trailer of Elite was bad IMO, but I don't care since the gameplay is what's important for a game.
And who's talking about trailers LOL?
I even forgot about it until stigbob brought it to this thread.
 
No one is denying this.
We already said multiple times the threads were created by FD.
We question why they decided to do CQC for example instead of things discussed in the DDF.

Because...

1. It's their game and they can do what they want with it, no matter how too much you paid to have access to a forum. This doesn't make you a designer, contributor, project director, board member, or anything other than someone with a few hundred of whatever currency you use less in your pocket.

2. To get to Point D from Point A, you have to cross Points B and C. When Point A is Starting Out, and Point D is That Thing You Really Want That Hasn't Been Implemented Yet, and Points B and C both contain elements necessary for Point D, doesn't it just make (un)common sense to cross Points B and C so there is much less work to do at Point D?

3. When the dust settled and they looked at what was there, That Thing that sounded good at the beginning turned out to be garbage, but they don't want to hurt anyone's feels, especially after taking their money to let them post in a forum, and just won't tell you that your Greatest Ideal Of All Time isn't worth the pixels it was typed up with in the first place.

4. They still like That Idea, but have not yet figured out how to implement it into the game. I know how to drive a boat. Does this mean I can pilot an aircraft carrier, submarine, or jet-engine powered hydrofoil? Could I figure these out given time?

5. They've been offended by all trash talk around here and have, behind closed doors, said "screw you bunch of ingrates, we're not doing That Thing." and aren't telling anyone openly.

That reasons enough? Pick the one that best matches with what you want to hear.
 
1. It's their game and they can do what they want with it, no matter how too much you paid to have access to a forum. This doesn't make you a designer, contributor, project director, board member, or anything other than someone with a few hundred of whatever currency you use less in your pocket.

The concept of people believing they actually got control over how a video game would be developed for £300 is absolutely baffling.
 
Again, FD was the creator of those threads. Not the community.
Design Decision Forum, the threads were created by Frontier.

Design Decision or Design Discussion? I don't know, I won't know, because I'm smart enough not to pay to use a forum, especially for something that (at the time) wasn't even released.

And the Community, most of it, has never seen, nor will ever see, these sacred forums, as they're access-restricted to those who dug into their pockets to pay for access.
Perhaps there is some disclaimer posted in the first sticky there, or in some agreement, that states quite clearly that Frontier is under no obligation to make use of anything in said forums, but may choose to do so, in any form, without a red cent ever being given the poster.

Pretty easy thing to miss, I know. Simple things get missed here all the time, usually by those screaming the most about them.
 
So a lot of bellyaching about things that haven't even been produced yet... pretty typical behavior from the vocal LEPer colony here.

But let's assume here, for a minute, in a most adult manner, that the upcoming 4.x Not-A-Season release, slated to contain Fleet Carriers and Other Things, that had to be pushed back due to the sheer volume of nearly abusive posts following the less-than-stellar September update launch, in order to pacify the forums, is paid content, as has been suggested. If any of you LEPers do not receive this for free, I will rally to your cause. However, if you do receive it for free, I except each and every one of you to post a very public, non-Hollywood apology for being impatient, self-entitled brats around here, because you're leaving a bad taste in the mouths of normal players, and have been, for quite some time, with your tired rhetoric. Can we agree to this?

When FCs arrive two years late he has to apologize for being impatient?

And please go easy on the generalizations. One guy keeps asking for a refund and that's enough for you to throw everyone in the same basket and call the "LEPer colony" "self-entitled brats"? Let's abstain from insults. Can we agree to this?
 
Design Decision or Design Discussion? I don't know, I won't know, because I'm smart enough not to pay to use a forum, especially for something that (at the time) wasn't even released.

And the Community, most of it, has never seen, nor will ever see, these sacred forums, as they're access-restricted to those who dug into their pockets to pay for access.
Perhaps there is some disclaimer posted in the first sticky there, or in some agreement, that states quite clearly that Frontier is under no obligation to make use of anything in said forums, but may choose to do so, in any form, without a red cent ever being given the poster.

Pretty easy thing to miss, I know. Simple things get missed here all the time, usually by those screaming the most about them.

There's this from the kickstarter itself, which clearly tells everyone they get to have a discussion. Which obviously was delivered in full as they got to have that discussion.

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You don't appear to have a point at all Stigbob. The one you had was refuted already.

I don't believe in the accuracy of your mystic foreknowledge.
 
And please go easy on the generalizations. One guy keeps asking for a refund and that's enough for you to throw everyone in the same basket and call the "LEPer colony" "self-entitled brats"? Let's abstain from insults. Can we agree to this?
Not all LEPers want a refund; I certainly don't. Unfortunately, a number of non-LEPers seem to think we all have a bee in our bonnet and resort to easy insults.

I just want Frontier to be open about what is happening with the game other than "we're delaying the next expansion".
 
When FCs arrive two years late he has to apologize for being impatient?

And please go easy on the generalizations. One guy keeps asking for a refund and that's enough for you to throw everyone in the same basket and call the "LEPer colony" "self-entitled brats"? Let's abstain from insults. Can we agree to this?

If it were just one guy, that would be one thing, but that one guy has not been the only one guy. Maybe in this thread, but this has been a thing for at least the past two years. I haven't thrown "everyone" in the same LEPer colony basket, just the ones acting in similar manners. Clearly that which looks, walks, talks and defecates like a duck must be a duck - even if it's a loon - still duck-like enough.

It's only an insult when it isn't true - when it is, it may be harsh, but that doesn't change the fact of the matter. To quote John Doe: "Wanting people to listen, you can't just tap them on the shoulder anymore. You have to hit them with a sledgehammer, and then you'll notice you've got their strict attention."
 
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