General / Off-Topic The Keto Dud, NuSi, and Taubes

The most popular diet these days is the Keto diet.

In no small way, the thinking behind the debacle comes from Gary Taubes's hypotheses about insulin, fat and carbohydrates. Taubes is trained in Physics, and tells a good yarn. He's parlayed that talent into a good writing career, and has affected a LOT of people's opinions.

However he never grasped Biochem.
Let me not be hypocritical, for I too skipped learning piles of Biochem in Med School. I did enough to comfortably pass finals. After that, it took me 25 years before I went back, to fill in gaps. But unlike Taubes, I never pretended to have any breakthrough ideas while actually being ignorant. Of course "ignorant" here means knowing more than he did, anyhow.

If you feel that this keto approach is valid, and that the science behind it is sound, you need to know about NuSI.
It was a 40 million dollar company set up by Taubes, but is now both broke and defunct.

Lead Researcher Kevin Hall basically conceeded that the studies run by NuSI disproved Taubesian concepts.

... lead author of the study and a researcher at NIH, proclaimed that the evidence, when added to an earlier study on carbohydrate restriction, showed that the insulin carbohydrate model -- which holds that carbs are behind the obesity epidemic because they increase circulating insulin -- was essentially dead.

So Taubes comes up with it, gets money, starts a company, runs studies, and HIS own effort blows up the idea.

But people are STILL doing keto. Because nobody reads.
Pretty much any calorie restricted diet works about the same as all others.

Takeaway:
Carbs are almost never converted to fats in our bodies. There is a 30% energy surtax on thst.
You need a BIG sustained surplus. > 30% surplus.
Exception is fructose. Starches in whole foods seems safe. Like oats, potatoes, legumes etc.

Fats we eat go straight to fat stores once we hit past total calorie
surplus. Adding MCT oil to salad and calling it Keto is just dumb. You want LESS calories, not more.

Combined fat/carb intake past the maintainence calories results in carbs being burned, and the fat stored. As fat, duh.
Intracellular lipids seem to block insulin and cause diabetes.
 
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Or, eat a balanced normal diet and let weight drop naturally?

Most diets are based on either shaky science or they push your body in unnatural ways that in the end are not healthy.

Doing it the proper way gives your body time to adjust and is simple as well as free.
 
I eat what i crave, I generally avoid sugar and saturated fats. I work out , Gym, Bycicles and my work is often physical.
I always count my calories and i rarely exceed 2500 a day. My typical intake is around 2000.

Be active, dont eat to much rubbish, seems to work for me. I think people who latch onto a magic diet are just lookign for convenience and maybe the brain reward that they are working towards something. When all you need do really is count calories. Learn what exercises spend what amount and what each item of food (ball park) offers you in energy gain and stay below a golden number. Exercise and dont be sedentary to often.

Its energy in and energy out. Of course each persons body is different so you will need to experiment and learn about yourself.
 
I eat what i crave, I generally avoid sugar and saturated fats. I work out , Gym, Bycicles and my work is often physical.
I always count my calories and i rarely exceed 2500 a day. My typical intake is around 2000.

Be active, dont eat to much rubbish, seems to work for me. I think people who latch onto a magic diet are just lookign for convenience and maybe the brain reward that they are working towards something. When all you need do really is count calories. Learn what exercises spend what amount and what each item of food (ball park) offers you in energy gain and stay below a golden number. Exercise and dont be sedentary to often.

Its energy in and energy out. Of course each persons body is different so you will need to experiment and learn about yourself.
Yes the regular sport and the important limitation of the sugar, the butter, the cheese, the cake, the bread, are the key of a slim physique and a well being inside.

There is no secret.

And I think that food manufacturers are thugs. Not all of course, but a lot.
 
Or, eat a balanced normal diet and let weight drop naturally?

Most diets are based on either shaky science or they push your body in unnatural ways that in the end are not healthy.

Doing it the proper way gives your body time to adjust and is simple as well as free.

Dropped 5kg so far (from 88) since June by basically weighing my evening carbs, and not eating what amounts to double portions a lot of the time. As I live on my own cooking for one is a pain, and it's very easy to cook & eat too much. Oh, regularly cooking MASSIVE portions of roast potatoes didn't help.

Plus doing more regular exercise. Running in my case, so dropping the weight makes that easier too.

Luckily I'm fairly healthy physically and don't have other issues that prevent me from doing this. I'm heading towards 50 so have a lot of ingrained bad habits - many of which I am still retaining!

So this works for me, but YMMV.
 
Dropped 5kg so far (from 88) since June by basically weighing my evening carbs, and not eating what amounts to double portions a lot of the time. As I live on my own cooking for one is a pain, and it's very easy to cook & eat too much. Oh, regularly cooking MASSIVE portions of roast potatoes didn't help.

Plus doing more regular exercise. Running in my case, so dropping the weight makes that easier too.

Luckily I'm fairly healthy physically and don't have other issues that prevent me from doing this. I'm heading towards 50 so have a lot of ingrained bad habits - many of which I am still retaining!

So this works for me, but YMMV.

I counted my calorie intake and adjusted my cooking / eating habits to match. For me simply knowing what my food added up to was enough to lose a significant amount of weight. The other was doing more physical work- I moved about a metric ton of soil with a shovel over the summer in my garden and my trousers were really loose after about a month.

In reality I had to be more delicate because before I was treated for leukemia, with one drug being particularly hard on my heart. I'm not made of glass but if you are in no rush doing dieting slowly and modifying how you eat (and awareness of whats in your food) IMO is healthier long term. A lot of people do fad diets (and really stupid ones) and yoyo up and down in weight which is equally as bad.
 
Well the science was a failure, but Taubes did leave with unspent millions from the NuSI debacle.

It pays to con the uneducated, it's a profession as venerable as prostitution.

Meantime untold numbers of people continue to think that Keto is a viable scientific idea, and they are damaging their long term health. There's a whole industry of grifters selling poopoo on the net and in print. MCT oil is on sale at pharmacies.
 
Well the science was a failure, but Taubes did leave with unspent millions from the NuSI debacle.

It pays to con the uneducated, it's a profession as venerable as prostitution.

Meantime untold numbers of people continue to think that Keto is a viable scientific idea, and they are damaging their long term health. There's a whole industry of grifters selling poopoo on the net and in print. MCT oil is on sale at pharmacies.
Convince people they are ill.
Set up business to sell snake oil.
Also set up business to sell cure for people who are ill from snake oil.:unsure:

*Pro level: get a government body to foot the bill.:censored:
 
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