0.042% of the Galaxy has been explored, but we don't know anything about a third of it.

So a few weeks ago FDev posted this infographic recapping this year with some numbers, most important for this discussion is that 0.042% of the galaxy has been explored. Now, according to EDSM:
0.011772% of the galaxy has been discovered on EDSM, it will take 38,467 years, 5 months, 24 days to discover it entirely.
That is 3.5X less than what has actually been discovered. Imagine if we knew 3.5X more about the galaxy than we do now. Imagine if we had 3.5X more data, 3.5X more planets, more stars, more Earth-like Worlds, more NSP's, more GGG's. But I have to ask: why not upload your data to EDSM? Is it too much of a hassle to download an external application, or import the journals manually? Do you think your data isn't important and it's pointless to share it? Do you want other people to know about what you've found out of a fear of it getting sniped, or because what you've found is only for you to see? For whatever reason, just know that it would be very helpful to our understanding of this galaxy if you share your discoveries.

EDIT: Thanks to everyone that has responded. The amount of data we have now is truly impressive and I only just realized that. It is indisputable that more data would mean we have a more accurate idea of the galaxy (although it likely wouldn't change much, as many of you pointed out). But I should appreciate what we do have more and I'll definitely spread the word of EDSM when I can and I'll continue to do my part in bringing that percent up.
 
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So a few weeks ago FDev posted this infographic recapping this year with some numbers, most important for this discussion is that 0.042% of the galaxy has been explored. Now, according to EDSM:
That is 3.5X less than what has actually been discovered. Imagine if we knew 3.5X more about the galaxy than we do now. Imagine if we had 3.5X more data, 3.5X more planets, more stars, more Earth-like Worlds, more NSP's, more GGG's. But I have to ask: why not upload your data to EDSM? Is it too much of a hassle to download an external application, or import the journals manually? Do you think your data isn't important and it's pointless to share it? Do you want other people to know about what you've found out of a fear of it getting sniped, or because what you've found is only for you to see? For whatever reason, just know that it would be very helpful to our understanding of this galaxy if you share your discoveries.
There's an old rule in the gaming industry that is as follows: 90/9/1

That is 90% of your player base doesn't visit any kind of forum or discussion board, 9% primarily lurk, and 1% are actually active.

Given that, I'm personally amazed that EDSM has as much data as it does.
 
There's an old rule in the gaming industry that is as follows: 90/9/1

That is 90% of your player base doesn't visit any kind of forum or discussion board, 9% primarily lurk, and 1% are actually active.

Given that, I'm personally amazed that EDSM has as much data as it does.

I think that exploration in ED is a special case. Because, in a "social" game like ED, exploration is rather anti-social by design. So it's quite understandable, in order to break the anti-social monotony, or to have any social aspect to exploration at all (like showing off the weird things you might find to other people), that explorers are much more likely to go to the forums and/or use third party tools.

The ED:EDSM ratio of about 3:1 is what I would expect.
 
Note that we also have explored areas that pre-date EDSM. And for a long time EDSM logs were not possible to upload from Xbox or PS4. I think this ratio will improve over time.
 
but we don't know anything about a third of it
Have to disagree on this one. We've got a adequate sample size of most normal areas, and a good/great sample of areas of interest. By analysing that data the smart brains here and in all the specialised/niche research groups have figured out amazing facts about the structure, composition and logic behind Stellar Forge's algorithms for generating the galaxy, sectors, boxels, systems and planets. While we might not have discovered/visited 99.958% of the systems, we CAN deduce pretty well what they will look like and thus DO know very much about those 99.958%. And IMHO those 99.958% will not contain a lot that hasn't been seen dozens or millions of times in the 0.042%.
Is it too much of a hassle to download an external application, or import the journals manually?
Yes, for a 'normal' user it is too much of a hassle, and can't be considered 'normal' having to do so - assuming such a user would even know about Log/Journal files, EDD/EDMC/... and EDDN/EDSM/EDDB/... . From an in-game perspective there's on hint that this stuff exists.
 
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@Mooing: bear in mind that the official game data has a significant "head-start" on EDSM data. (The game didn't launch with anything logged to journals, after all.) But how did it fare between the last two times Frontier released official data? Turns out that in the past 1.79 years, EDSM's activity of new systems covered 45.66% of the total. Let me quote an earlier post of mine for this:

Now, assuming that that figure is for [December 16], that means that since 2018 March 2, when FD tweeted that Commanders have discovered 112,863,791 systems, which was 0.028% of the galaxy, players have discovered +0.014% of the galaxy in the 654 days since. That would be about 169.3 million systems (169,295,687, but since we only got a percentage this time, there would be rounding errors), which is +56.4 million systems, or 86,300 new systems per day. How does EDSM stack up against that?

EDSM had 20,853,341 systems added on 2018-03-02, and today on 2019-12-16 it has 46,624,091, or 0.011652% of the galaxy. (Meaning that despite the long "head start", the whole database still covers 27.74% of the total.) So that's +25.8 million new systems added, or 39,400 new systems per day.

To sum it up: during the last 654 days (1.79 years), with regards to new systems, EDSM's activity covered an impressive 45.66% of the total.

Given the rule of the thumb that Darkfyre99 also quoted, that really is quite a lot. Exploration as an activity in Elite is something well worth analysing too, and we appear to have some evidence (like DW2 statistics, forum survey of veteran explorers) to suggest that the Commanders who are more committed to exploration share their finds to EDSM more than not.
Put another way: there is a strong demand for some exploration features that don't exist in-game.
I think Frontier realised this themselves, or at least part of it, which was why they said back before Chapter Four that they'll be moving towards community exploration. Of course, all this meant was the Codex, which is... well. It took a step in the right direction, then fell flat on its face. We're waiting for it to get back on its feet for over a year now.

Anyway, back to the original point. From my observations (so this is only anecdotal "evidence"), when you go farther off from the beaten paths, the more likely it is that a system which wasn't uploaded to EDSM wasn't visited at all. For example, a month or so ago I surveyed the NGC 1931 nebula. A real one, not procedurally generated, and not even very far from the bubble, some 7,500 ly? (In other words, only 100 jumps in a 75 ly Anaconda, if you could fly in a straight line.) One of the lesser-known ones though, I guess.
Now, when I was looking around the Seagull nebula, which is only half the distance out and has an asteroid base with a shipyard, about half of the EDSM-unvisited systems there were actually visited. Out at NGC 1931, less than a tenth of the non-EDSM systems were already visited. Many of them were discovered by one Commander, who turned out to be on Inara, just on Xbox and didn't upload these systems.
By the way, despite the popular myth of "all the nebulae are picked clean", I found virgin A/F/G systems out there, so mass code D even. Got a nice system with an ELW and an AW-WW binary pair, too.

Now, to my main point with this: suppose that you wanted to do a statistical analysis of the NGC 1931 nebula subsector. Given these tendencies, and taking a look at the visited stars there (see VisitedStarsCache.space), would you have enough data already? I think yes. Then take a look at the Seagull nebula I mentioned earlier. (I spent some time there ;) ) Would you? Definitely.

The systems missing from EDSM but discovered in-game are not evenly distributed. Areas of (higher) interest are more likely to have been uploaded to EDSM too. Now, depending on what you're analysing and what kind of conclusions you're looking to draw, I think that for many of them, we have enough data already.


On to the examples you mentioned. "Imagine if we had 3.5X more data, 3.5X more planets, more stars, more Earth-like Worlds, more NSP's, more GGG's " First, bear in mind that we don't have official data on stars and planets from Frontier, so we don't know if the same ratio holds for them as it does for systems. If we had 3.5 more Earth-like Worlds than we do now, well, I've looked at the data plenty, and there aren't many more conclusions to be drawn from it that could be done with 3.5 times as many as we have now. (Some suspicions on their distribution would be better confirmed or refuted, but the practical value of that would be little.) As for NSPs, thanks to the Codex, we know every kind of NSP contents that have been found, and they're all on EDSM, because somebody will visit them. For GGGs, I wouldn't be surprised if all of the discovered ones were on EDSM already, but even if there are some lurking in regions where one has been found already (and thus, the Codex not listing the subsequent ones), it would be a good bet that they wouldn't make up thrice the amount that we already know of. Those are all already on EDSM too.
So we're left with 3.5 times more stars, since those are auto-scanned now. Yes, that could be very useful. At the current rate, I suppose a bit under half the discovered stars are uploaded to EDSM too. (Since the auto-scanner will add all of them from every visited system, we can use the systems ratio.)

What we already have is quite impressive already. If you want to improve how many people upload to EDSM, there is a thing you can do: tell people new to exploration about it, and help walk them through how sharing your finds there works. It really is quite easy.

The only way it would be easier if the game itself had an "upload to EDSM" button after you sell your data, really.
 
I have countless discoveries locked up on PS4, where I did most of my exploration. Now that I'm on PC, I don't do that much exploring outside the bubble. Still, what is this EDSM app you speak of? I've been manually uploading my logfiles to EDSM, and it takes FOREVER to process those files (especially if there is a backlog).
 
on PC i use EDDiscovery, it does all the uploads, from EDSM up to Inara (personal data and market)
 
I have countless discoveries locked up on PS4, where I did most of my exploration. Now that I'm on PC, I don't do that much exploring outside the bubble. Still, what is this EDSM app you speak of? I've been manually uploading my logfiles to EDSM, and it takes FOREVER to process those files (especially if there is a backlog).
There's no official EDSM app, save for the site upload, but you can use apps to automatically upload data. If you wish to clear your backlog, and don't want to just leave the website upload running in the background, EDDiscovery might be your best bet.
There's also EDSM support for consoles now, although I confess I have next to no idea how it works. I think you can upload your backlog from your console too, but like I said, I don't know for certain.
 
As for NSPs, thanks to the Codex, we know every kind of NSP contents that have been found, and they're all on EDSM, because somebody will visit them.
Not quite true - Anthor hasn't allowed all of them to go through to the website so while they are in the in-game codex some are missing from EDSM. For instance look in Acheron at the Chalice Pod variants. EDSM says there are 2, the game codex knows 3 (last time I checked).

Also applies to other things (though admittedly not many)
 
But I have to ask: why not upload your data to EDSM? Is it too much of a hassle to download an external application, or import the journals manually? Do you think your data isn't important and it's pointless to share it? Do you want other people to know about what you've found out of a fear of it getting sniped, or because what you've found is only for you to see? For whatever reason, just know that it would be very helpful to our understanding of this galaxy if you share your discoveries.

In all fairness, I had no clue that EDSM existed until I started hanging around the forums and I would guess most players are like that. And as others have pointed out, exploration is a fairly non-social activity with little to no player-to-player interaction, and a very small percentage of players even visit the forums, let alone participate.

Once I found out about it, I've begun uploading religiously, and I've been using EDDiscovery as suggested by others here, as well.

That is 3.5X less than what has actually been discovered. Imagine if we knew 3.5X more about the galaxy than we do now. Imagine if we had 3.5X more data, 3.5X more planets, more stars, more Earth-like Worlds, more NSP's, more GGG's.

Sadly, I think it would have very little impact on anything at all. I've only just begun my exploration career (so, I'm speaking from a position which is largely ignorant), but I've been disappointed that there's really nothing new out there to find. I mean, yes - I did bag and tag of all kinds of planets, some stars, a black hole, etc. However, what about discovering a new life form?

But are there really new things out there to discover? Or just iterations of the same things over and over?

The more I think about stuff like that, the more I understand why FD have put off atmospheric landings. I can't imagine what it would take to create an engine for producing procedurally generated life forms that didn't look like a cross between a Muppet and a Tele-Tubby. (cough No Man's Sky cough)
 

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So a few weeks ago FDev posted this infographic recapping this year with some numbers, most important for this discussion is that 0.042% of the galaxy has been explored. Now, according to EDSM:
That is 3.5X less than what has actually been discovered. Imagine if we knew 3.5X more about the galaxy than we do now. Imagine if we had 3.5X more data, 3.5X more planets, more stars, more Earth-like Worlds, more NSP's, more GGG's. But I have to ask: why not upload your data to EDSM? Is it too much of a hassle to download an external application, or import the journals manually? Do you think your data isn't important and it's pointless to share it? Do you want other people to know about what you've found out of a fear of it getting sniped, or because what you've found is only for you to see? For whatever reason, just know that it would be very helpful to our understanding of this galaxy if you share your discoveries.
what i find is for me to see only unless i get kudos like the frontier shaddow accounts! may share it with friends but thats it! on another note considering the limited RNG behind the algorythms that are the astrobodies we see, only fools have a desire to 'explore' xD
 
. Imagine if we had 3.5X more data, 3.5X more planets, more stars, more Earth-like Worlds, more NSP's, more GGG's.
n to the examples you mentioned. "Imagine if we had 3.5X more data, 3.5X more planets, more stars, more Earth-like Worlds, more NSP's, more GGG's " First, bear in mind that we don't have official data on stars and planets from Frontier, so we don't know if the same ratio holds for them as it does for systems.

I would hypothesize that the ratio for "odd things" like GGGs and even ELWs is much lower than 3.5x, simply because it is very often the act of finding such an oddity that drives someone onto the forums, EDSM etc in the first place. So, imagine a typical anti-social explorer, just out there doing there own thing, not on any forum or anything. They've been exploring for a while but then they stumble upon a binary ELW, for the first time. They go "wow, I gotta tell someone about this", but nobody in their house, workplace, etc wants to hear a story about some stupid fake planet on some stupid computer game. It's not enough just to tell someone; they want to tell someone who cares. So they go online, and find the forums, or Facebook, or whatever, and post their amazing find. And from there, get told about EDSM and other tools they can be using.

GGGs are the most extreme. They are so unusual, so odd-looking comapred to other plaents in ED, and so not-very-well-advertised-in-game (yes, they're in the Codex, but you really have to know they're there to go driling down to find them), that I think anyone who ever finds a new one would go "wow, this is unique and amazing, gotta show someone". There might be one or two more GGGs that are in the "known to ED but not EDSM/forums" category, but I think it would be nowhere near the "3.5 times as many".
 
GGGs are the most extreme. They are so unusual, so odd-looking comapred to other plaents in ED, and so not-very-well-advertised-in-game (yes, they're in the Codex, but you really have to know they're there to go driling down to find them), that I think anyone who ever finds a new one would go "wow, this is unique and amazing, gotta show someone". There might be one or two more GGGs that are in the "known to ED but not EDSM/forums" category, but I think it would be nowhere near the "3.5 times as many".

You're probably right about not that many GGG's are unreported, but given how normal some GGG's look, it's very possible that they were looked over (or not scanned at all). Even interesting GGG's like 13 and 18 were only found out about because they were in the codex. But the journals don't identify GGG's so it was wrong of me to even use them as an example.

On an unrelated note, when is this getting an update?
 
Dont hit me :)

I know it must exist but its quite well hidden on the EDSM site and via Google. How do yo do this, more importantly can it be done automatically. I joined EDSM 3/4 months ago fully expecting that by using my cmdr name I would automagically be adding to the pot of info but nothing happened and my EDSM profile is as blank as the day I joined.

I dont have much time to play so if its a case of spend "another" hour trying to fix communication to EDSM or play - I play.

EDSM home page has no help, EDSM FAQ has nothing, these are the normal places to have such info.

Not knocking it, just explaining it from a new user perspective. Any help here would be great, not sure how much info is stored or can be accessed but would love to upload it. Ive been Bubble Exploration -> SagA -> More Bubble Exploration -> SagA -> Beagle Point and have many new systems to my name.

…. Is it too much of a hassle to download an external application, or import the journals manually? Do you think your data isn't important and it's pointless to share it? ...
 
EDSM home page has no help, EDSM FAQ has nothing, these are the normal places to have such info.
Maybe read as far as the very first question on the FAQ page ....

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Dont hit me :)

I know it must exist but its quite well hidden on the EDSM site and via Google. How do yo do this, more importantly can it be done automatically. I joined EDSM 3/4 months ago fully expecting that by using my cmdr name I would automagically be adding to the pot of info but nothing happened and my EDSM profile is as blank as the day I joined.

I dont have much time to play so if its a case of spend "another" hour trying to fix communication to EDSM or play - I play.

EDSM home page has no help, EDSM FAQ has nothing, these are the normal places to have such info.

Not knocking it, just explaining it from a new user perspective. Any help here would be great, not sure how much info is stored or can be accessed but would love to upload it. Ive been Bubble Exploration -> SagA -> More Bubble Exploration -> SagA -> Beagle Point and have many new systems to my name.
use EDdiscovery

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I appreciate the blunt response - really I do. To me the answer would be Windows, 7-10 home to Pro, Mac OS. Linux, Elite Dangerous on Xbox, PC, PS4 etc. I would not expect to have to download another third party piece of software to use the thirdparty application I just signed up to, hence I completely ignored that.

I am now downloading EDDiscovery.

o7

Maybe read as far as the very first question on the FAQ page ....

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