General / Off-Topic Rise of Skywalker ( spoiler free please)

Dutchman141

Dutchman141
I just came back from the theatre.
Due to the hollidays I didn't have the time to go any sooner.
I evaded all youtubes and reviews in order to make up my own verdict although I was aware of the mixed reception.

I'm flabbergasted at what I just saw and still have difficulties to put this incredible rollercoaster of hot air somewhere into the SW line of things.
So many things were coming out of the blue and created on the spot that the whole movie was made completely unbelievable imho.
For me the SW saga ends with part six, the las three movies were completely of sync, especially the last one.
 

lysan

lysan
Dutchman141 said:
I just came back from the theatre.
Due to the hollidays I didn't have the time to go any sooner.
I evaded all youtubes and reviews in order to make up my own verdict although I was aware of the mixed reception.

I'm flabbergasted at what I just saw and still have difficulties to put this incredible rollercoaster of hot air somewhere into the SW line of things.
So many things were coming out of the blue and created on the spot that the whole movie was made completely unbelievable imho.
For me the SW saga ends with part six, the las three movies were completely of sync, especially the last one.
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I agree, if it wasn’t for the mandalorian I would have lost all interest for anything SW.
 

Jezzah

Jezzah
I know I'm from an older generation but for me the less than hidden and unnecessary equality agenda in every pore of the sequels ruins it for me. It's so pervasive throughout it like Japanese knotweed. Mary Sue Rey and just the worst writing and plot development going ruined a very simple and effective story arc from the previous movies.

Out of the "modern" ones I loved Rogue One because it could still have a strong likeable female protagonist and stand up on her story without pushing it bloody everywhere.
 

Darkfyre99

Darkfyre99
Rubbernuke said:
Magic hyperdrive?
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Both in the Original Trilogy, and the Prequels, the hyperdrive consistently depicted as having some significant limitations: it could only be used when a ship was well away from planets, it couldn't be used in asteroid fields, and it took time to get anywhere (though conveniently this was at the speed of plot).

The Disney Era, starting with the Force Awakens, pretty much ignores all those limitations... at least when it suits the writers to do so. In The Force Awakens, the Millenium Falcon is able to come out of hyperspace right above the surface of the planet, skipping over a volume of space which put the same ship into so much danger during in A New Hope and the Empire Strikes Back (twice), as well as a different ship in the Phantom Menace. It's almost as if the writers couldn't think of a good way to get the protagonists to the surface of a planet without giving the hyperdrive a new ability.

In Rogue One, the protagonists' U-Wing is able to jump into hyperspace above the surface of a planet, and through a wall of debris thrown up by the Death Star firing on Jedha, while the Millenium Falcon had to clear an asteroid field (considerably less dense) before it could engage its hyperdrive. It's almost as if the writers couldn't think of way to get the protagonists out of the peril they had placed them in, without giving the hyperdrive a new ability.

The hyperdrive was given yet another new ability in the film between the Force Awakens and the Rise of Skywalker, but for some strange reason I'm drawing a blank. It's almost as if my mind is trying to suppress some horrific memory. 😱

I only saw Solo once, but I don't recall any particularly egregious use of the hyperdrive in that move. That could be because I didn't see it in theaters, and when I streamed it from Netflix, I moved my viewing from my computer to the TV, so I could use my computer for something else.

Finally, in the Rise of Skywalker, we're treated to the "hyperspace skip," where rapid instantaneous teleportation is added to the mix.

So yes, I would describe it as a "magic hyperdrive." In the Disney Era of Star Wars, when the writers can't think up of a good way to do something, they just wave their hand and say, "the hyperdrive did it." :rolleyes:
 

Rubbernuke

Rubbernuke
Darkfyre99 said:
Both in the Original Trilogy, and the Prequels, the hyperdrive consistently depicted as having some significant limitations: it could only be used when a ship was well away from planets, it couldn't be used in asteroid fields, and it took time to get anywhere (though conveniently this was at the speed of plot).

The Disney Era, starting with the Force Awakens, pretty much ignores all those limitations... at least when it suits the writers to do so. In The Force Awakens, the Millenium Falcon is able to come out of hyperspace right above the surface of the planet, skipping over a volume of space which put the same ship into so much danger during in A New Hope and the Empire Strikes Back (twice), as well as a different ship in the Phantom Menace. It's almost as if the writers couldn't think of a good way to get the protagonists to the surface of a planet without giving the hyperdrive a new ability.

In Rogue One, the protagonists' U-Wing is able to jump into hyperspace above the surface of a planet, and through a wall of debris thrown up by the Death Star firing on Jedha, while the Millenium Falcon had to clear an asteroid field (considerably less dense) before it could engage its hyperdrive. It's almost as if the writers couldn't think of way to get the protagonists out of the peril they had placed them in, without giving the hyperdrive a new ability.

The hyperdrive was given yet another new ability in the film between the Force Awakens and the Rise of Skywalker, but for some strange reason I'm drawing a blank. It's almost as if my mind is trying to suppress some horrific memory. 😱

I only saw Solo once, but I don't recall any particularly egregious use of the hyperdrive in that move. That could be because I didn't see it in theaters, and when I streamed it from Netflix, I moved my viewing from my computer to the TV, so I could use my computer for something else.

Finally, in the Rise of Skywalker, we're treated to the "hyperspace skip," where rapid instantaneous teleportation is added to the mix.

So yes, I would describe it as a "magic hyperdrive." In the Disney Era of Star Wars, when the writers can't think up of a good way to do something, they just wave their hand and say, "the hyperdrive did it." :rolleyes:
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Ah, I see. Although Disney have a habit of wrecking consistency, in the old Star Wars pen and paper RPG it was (from an extended universe POV at least) possible to force a jump either before its calculated or in desperate situations by disabling safeties. If I remember right it was all about mass shadows in higher dimensions and how you intersect with them.

Personally I can excuse the desperate move in R. One with the U Wing- it was done once and not used all over- and also they flew out of a gap:

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A similar thing happened in Solo escaping Kessel:

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But beyond that I had to grit my teeth with the rest- JJ did to Star Wars what he did with Star Trek and the ships in that.
 

lysan

lysan
Darkfyre99 said:
Both in the Original Trilogy, and the Prequels, the hyperdrive consistently depicted as having some significant limitations: it could only be used when a ship was well away from planets, it couldn't be used in asteroid fields, and it took time to get anywhere (though conveniently this was at the speed of plot).

The Disney Era, starting with the Force Awakens, pretty much ignores all those limitations... at least when it suits the writers to do so. In The Force Awakens, the Millenium Falcon is able to come out of hyperspace right above the surface of the planet, skipping over a volume of space which put the same ship into so much danger during in A New Hope and the Empire Strikes Back (twice), as well as a different ship in the Phantom Menace. It's almost as if the writers couldn't think of a good way to get the protagonists to the surface of a planet without giving the hyperdrive a new ability.

In Rogue One, the protagonists' U-Wing is able to jump into hyperspace above the surface of a planet, and through a wall of debris thrown up by the Death Star firing on Jedha, while the Millenium Falcon had to clear an asteroid field (considerably less dense) before it could engage its hyperdrive. It's almost as if the writers couldn't think of way to get the protagonists out of the peril they had placed them in, without giving the hyperdrive a new ability.

The hyperdrive was given yet another new ability in the film between the Force Awakens and the Rise of Skywalker, but for some strange reason I'm drawing a blank. It's almost as if my mind is trying to suppress some horrific memory. 😱

I only saw Solo once, but I don't recall any particularly egregious use of the hyperdrive in that move. That could be because I didn't see it in theaters, and when I streamed it from Netflix, I moved my viewing from my computer to the TV, so I could use my computer for something else.

Finally, in the Rise of Skywalker, we're treated to the "hyperspace skip," where rapid instantaneous teleportation is added to the mix.

So yes, I would describe it as a "magic hyperdrive." In the Disney Era of Star Wars, when the writers can't think up of a good way to do something, they just wave their hand and say, "the hyperdrive did it." :rolleyes:
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The writers in the Disney area, don’t know SW they never bothered to get into the lore, they write easy fixes for everything, horrible storytelling and just like eating junk food, you get full quickly but don’t want to think about it to much. The Mandorian is much better, but still some stupid things in it you need to ignore.
 

jasonbarron

jasonbarron
I finally got around to watching it. Overall it's just another limp attempt by Disney that's nowhere near as good as the original trilogy. With that said, it wasn't as bad as I was expecting and certainly better than the last entry. You could tell they were trying to clean up their mess with it, and Rey's/Kylo Ren's storyline had a satisfying arc and conclusion, which honestly surprises me to say because I figured that I would loath it and surprisingly I didn't.
 

Sysmon

Sysmon
The Rise of Skywalker was a sad, inconsistent and poorly told ending to the saga. Abrams certainly managed to ruin Star Wars as he ruined Star Trek. I know they are just space adventures, but I hit the limit of the amount of disbelief I could suspend. At least it looks like Abrams has a good taste in sci fi comics, although replicating another somewhat disappointing end to a otherwise fantastic series was not what I had hoped he would do.

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jasonbarron

jasonbarron
I never bought into the neckbeard angle. My problem has been more to do with sjw issues and wokeness that has infested the writing, which thankfully was dialed way back in this entry. Star Wars has always been silly, so I'm not going to get down on it now for that.
 

lysan

lysan
jasonbarron said:
I never bought into the neckbeard angle. My problem has been more to do with sjw issues and wokeness that has infested the writing, which thankfully was dialed way back in this entry. Star Wars has always been silly, so I'm not going to get down on it now for that.
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I may watch it, but I still refuse to go to the theater and watch it.
 

Han Zulu

Han Zulu
Rubbernuke said:
But beyond that I had to grit my teeth with the rest- JJ did to Star Wars what he did with Star Trek and the ships in that.
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My biggest gripe with JJ and other modern sci-fi directors is that it's only about flash special effects and action, which is good.... but I like movies with good and intricate, well thought-out stories, and that's missing. Most of the sci-fi movies in the 70s and 80s took their time, had some slow moments here and there, side- and sub-plots, exposition, etc, but now it's boom-boom-boom straight line to the finish line in light-speed. Just an onslaught of stuff without content. it feels like, it's like McDonaldization of sci-fi is king.

The streaming shows are different though. Mandalorian, Expanse, Altered Carbon, etc, all tell stories and give you time to reflect. Sci-fi movies are out for me now.
 
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Han Zulu

Han Zulu
lysan said:
I may watch it, but I still refuse to go to the theater and watch it.
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Yeah. Don't. No need. I actually wasn't planning to see it, but my kids wanted to. Saw it. It was okay, not great, not extremely bad either, just meh. Better than the previous one for sure, but the ending had some plot holes big enough to fill SagA*.
 

lysan

lysan
Han Zulu said:
My biggest gripe with JJ and other modern sci-fi directors is that it's only about flash special effects and action, which is good.... but I like movies with good and intricate, well thought-out stories, and that's missing. Most of the sci-fi movies in the 70s and 80s took their time, had some slow moments here and there, side- and sub-plots, exposition, etc, but now it's boom-boom-boom straight line to the finish line in light-speed. Just an onslaught of stuff without content. it feels like, it's like McDonaldization of sci-fi is king.

The streaming shows are different though. Mandalorian, Expanse, Altered Carbon, etc, all tell stories and give you time to reflect. Sci-fi movies are out for me now.
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In my humble opinion JJ is over rated and can’t fill the shoes he was given by whomever praised him.
 

jasonbarron

jasonbarron
The first in the series of Star Trek remakes was good, not sure why JJ catches so much crap for that one tbh. I mean it was interesting and watchable, as opposed to the various series that spawned it😂
 

lysan

lysan
jasonbarron said:
The first in the series of Star Trek remakes was good, not sure why JJ catches so much crap for that one tbh. I mean it was interesting and watchable, as opposed to the various series that spawned it😂
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It was okaaay mkay.... if you compare it with some of the other ST movies I would say from 1-10 it was a 4.
 
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