"Gameplay suggestion" != "Problem I'm having in game"

[CMDR Corlas]

So, I don't know exactly who all of you need to understand this - but I know it's a lot of you - so here's the thing:

Someone making a suggestion to better the game doesn't mean they're saying "I am having this problem with the game, and would like to no longer have it."

What they're often saying is "This thing would be fun to have."

Telling them another way to accomplish something is utterly pointless. Trying to claim they just want an "I win" button is trite and idiotic. Mindlessly posting "you need to make hard choices" doesn't make you look smart or like a grizzled veteran.

Good god people...

 

[Jukelo]

People are free to make suggestions.
Other people are free to give their opinion on those suggestions.

 

[Rubbernuke]

So, I don't know exactly who all of you need to understand this - but I know it's a lot of you - so here's the thing:

Someone making a suggestion to better the game doesn't mean they're saying "I am having this problem with the game, and would like to no longer have it."

What they're often saying is "This thing would be fun to have."

Telling them another way to accomplish something is utterly pointless. Trying to claim they just want an "I win" button is trite and idiotic. Mindlessly posting "you need to make hard choices" doesn't make you look smart or like a grizzled veteran.

Good god people...

Both yes and no really. Some suggestions are insane, while others are useful.

 

[Nasc]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and ideas, but it doesn't always mean they're good.

Telling them another way to accomplish something is utterly pointless.

I laughed.

 

[Florenus]

So, I don't know exactly who all of you need to understand this - but I know it's a lot of you - so here's the thing:

Someone making a suggestion to better the game doesn't mean they're saying "I am having this problem with the game, and would like to no longer have it."

What they're often saying is "This thing would be fun to have."

Telling them another way to accomplish something is utterly pointless. Trying to claim they just want an "I win" button is trite and idiotic. Mindlessly posting "you need to make hard choices" doesn't make you look smart or like a grizzled veteran.

Good god people...

Some people differ from you in their approach to the game. And where you would like to make something easier and more fun for yourself, it might make it easier and therefore less fun for them.

That "win" button example simply means that someone thinks that certain suggestion will remove some of the difficulty from the game.
Same with the choices - it's easy to request something universal that would improve things in your opinion. But at the same time it might just erase the gameplay that comes with making choices - sacrificing something to make something else better. This game is already made too casual and too forgiving - especially when it comes to exploration.

Don't expect people to keep quiet. Fdev need to see if something proposed has any support among players.
I certainly try to make it known that I don't support some suggestions I feel might hurt the game.

 

[CMDR Corlas]

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Wow.

Thank you for the entirely useless "explaination". Did you genuinely think that was helpful?

 

[Nasc]

If an idea can't stand up to public criticism, it's not a good idea.
If an answer can be given that someone hasn't considered or bothered to look up for themselves, it's not pointless, it's an answer.
It's a bit early for a glass of whine to be honest.

 

[CMDR Corlas]

If an idea can't stand up to public criticism, it's not a good idea.
If an answer can be given that someone hasn't considered or bothered to look up for themselves, it's not pointless, it's an answer.
It's a bit early for a glass of whine to be honest.

Except this isn't about ideas that can't stand up to public criticism.

Nor is it about "answers" that can be given.

It was specifically about how suggestions are not always due to problems that need an answer.

And a bunch of people decided that me pointing that out meant I had a "problem" they could answer.

The blind arrogance - or just complete lack of reading comprehension and self-awareness - is utterly astounding.

 

[zimms]

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Wow.

Thank you for the entirely useless "explaination". Did you genuinely think that was helpful?

I don't think this thread is very helpful.

If somebody has a suggestions there's nothing wrong with a reply that gives some reasons why it might not be a good addition to the game. That's kind of key to a discussion. And this is the Dangerous Discussion section of the forum.

 

[CMDR Corlas]

If somebody has a suggestions there's nothing wrong with a reply that gives some reasons why it might not be a good addition to the game.

And, obviously, I wasn't talking about those entirely reasonable replies.

 

[zimms]

And, obviously, I wasn't talking about those entirely reasonable replies.

But how would I know? Your OP was pretty vague imho.

 

[Nasc]

Except this isn't about ideas that can't stand up to public criticism.

So suggestions aren't ideas?
I'll keep that in mind I suppose.

Nor is it about "answers" that can be given.
It was specifically about how suggestions are not always due to problems that need an answer.

Actually it seemed to be about having a problem with the game, as per the title: "Gameplay suggestion" != "Problem I'm having in game".
Besides, some suggestions need an answer due to lack of understanding or perhaps not knowing about base things.

And a bunch of people decided that me pointing that out meant I had a "problem" they could answer.

Actually the answers seem to be about suggestions not always having merrit. But here we go.

The blind arrogance - or just complete lack of reading comprehension and self-awareness - is utterly astounding.

You know what's tiresome? Vague, passive aggressive "I'm right and you're all idiots" posts.

Thank you for the entirely useless "explaination". Did you genuinely think that was helpful?

How about you work on your posts so they actually say something and don't come off as just a spiteful poster?

 

[CMDR Corlas]

But how would I know? Your OP was pretty vague imho.

You should know because "reasonable replies are reasonable" is something that's commonly understood. Is that not obvious?

People making a complaint doesn't mean it's therefore a problem for you to solve. It's a complaint.

Come on people, these are basic human interaction skills we're talking about here...

 

[Florenus]

Actually it seemed to be about having a problem with the game, as per the title: "Gameplay suggestion" != "Problem I'm having in game".

"!=" is an operator that means "not equal to"

 

[Florenus]

Come on people, these are basic human interaction skills we're talking about here...

I don't think you should be the one to advise on that subject tbh.

 

[CMDR Corlas]

Actually it seemed to be about having a problem with the game, as per the title: "Gameplay suggestion" != "Problem I'm having in game".

You are aware that "!=" means "does not equal", right? So you thought "'Gameplay suggestion' does not mean 'Problem I'm having with the game'", implied I was having a problem with the game?

Seriously?

 

[CMDR Corlas]

I don't think you should be the one to advise on that subject tbh.

I wouldn't have thought so either, but look at them go...

 

[Nasc]

"!=" is an operator that means "not equal to"

Yeah, but still related to.
I think OP's main problem is they cannot separate criticism and solutions from any other answer. That if it's not positive, it's not a thing.
i.e. "It's dark, we need lights"
"Try headlights/night vision"
"Don't tell me what to do"
That seems to be the basic spirit of it all.

 

[Florenus]

You are aware that "!=" means "does not equal", right? So you thought "'Gameplay suggestion' does not mean 'Problem I'm having with the game'", implied I was having a problem with the game?

Seriously?

He might not have known what "!=" ment. It's rather specialized knowledge. Easy to mistake for a typo for someone not familiar with it.

 

[BulletTrev]

2 likes and moving swiftly on.............