[Video] January update, was this what we ASKED?! & Fleet carrier delay...

Northpin

Northpin
OK, so i read until page 2 but:

StuartGT said:
reddit link to open letter
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now let me quote the open letter:

Preamble: We don’t ask Frontier Developments for miracles. We don’t ask for new content and we don’t ask for a major shift in development. We simply want everything already delivered to be maintained properly. (this screams bug fixes)

Primary Grievances: 3 bullets out of 4 mention bug fixes

Implement a Permanent Test Server, and bring back Betas - another section for bug fixes

Even the Empower Frontier-Employed Community Managers is mentioning bugs :)


Yet the open letter was not about Bug fixes...

Edit: and Yamiks is second on the Content Creators supporter list

Well, they asked and we all got served
 

Simplystyc

Banned
Simplystyc
Ratkatcher said:
The player base are spread across many 'social media' platforms, of which the official forum is of minor import - the real voices of the player base, that are noticed, are those that bring awareness of the game to the masses, not the ones actually playing it and keeping relatively positive in their remarks if they make any at all.
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So there we have it. I'd hate to break it to you Mr. Ratkatcher, but the Forums are not the real true voice of the player base.

No platform can make that claim as the community, in general, is so spread out over multiple platforms, no single one can claim they speak for everyone. Not even the official forums. The open letter was done up my many pilots who are not on the forums for one very simple reason.

Toxicity.
 

WILLIAM BILL ADAMA

WILLIAM BILL ADAMA
Agony_Aunt said:
To be honest, that was my takeaway from the open letter as well. Stop developing new stuff, fix the existing stuff.

Maybe that wasn't the intended meaning, but its how it was interpreted by some.

Personally i don't think FD reintroduced betas and focused on bugs because you asked. I just think the open letter gave them the perfect excuse to announce the delay in new content. They might have been wondering how to do it, and the open letter was a gift horse to FD!
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I agreed, And... Summarizing last year situation again...
1) FDev launched ARX update with a lot of CRITICAL BUGS.
2) Some CMDRs worried about that. And they officially requested to fix bugs and to update ED correcltly.
3) FDev used CMDRs's requesting(for stabilizing) as an excuse for delaying Fleet Carrerier.

It just show FDev hadn't think that ED had a lot of problem, even though CMDRs sent a lot of issues to FDev by issue tracker. It just show FDev had no willing to put more resource, despite of CMDRs sent a lot of issues to FDev by issue tracker. And FDev just announced that they will do procrastinated-jobs instead of promised-jobs. I think that FDev did wrong jobs and FDev did wrong decision. FDev converted thier old-mistake to CMDR's binary decision between 'Stabilizing' and 'New Content', and now CMDRs have fought each other.

ANNOUNCEMENT - Community Update (22/10)

The current roadmap is just that- current. It does not even take into account old features that have bee ignored. The last roadmap I saw had five big blobs and a sentence for each. If we were talking the roadmaps the Star Citizen folks pop out then I'd agree. True, and even that was enough to...
forums.frontier.co.uk forums.frontier.co.uk
 
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Rubbernuke

Rubbernuke
gooddoc said:
And going forward EVERY future update will be delayed as Frontier try to make them as bug free as possible.
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On average it takes about two weeks for point updates to remedy problems after releases. I'd rather front load that delay and have a cohesive update, than a scrappy release. So 'delay' is relative.
 

StuartGT

StuartGT
Northpin said:
OK, so i read until page 2 but:



now let me quote the open letter:

Preamble: We don’t ask Frontier Developments for miracles. We don’t ask for new content and we don’t ask for a major shift in development. We simply want everything already delivered to be maintained properly. (this screams bug fixes)

Primary Grievances: 3 bullets out of 4 mention bug fixes

Implement a Permanent Test Server, and bring back Betas - another section for bug fixes

Even the Empower Frontier-Employed Community Managers is mentioning bugs :)


Yet the open letter was not about Bug fixes...

Edit: and Yamiks is second on the Content Creators supporter list

Well, they asked and we all got served
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Indeed we did. Bug fixes are what we asked for in the Community Requests letter, alongside open betas (also back), and empowered Community Managers (there have already been improvements on this, and hopefully we'll see more).

It's great to see FDev constantly improving Elite Dangerous :)
 

Northpin

Northpin
Rubbernuke said:
On average it takes about two weeks for point updates to remedy problems after release
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Consoles will get hit harder since they cannot release patches for consoles as easy as for PC.
Guess i will play more my PC alt than my console main for the next week hoping the January Update Patch One will not break some other things
 

gooddoc

gooddoc
StuartGT said:
If that means an update releases with fewer game-breaking bugs than if it was released "on time", then I'm all for that.
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That's true......just hope that this time next year there's not too many ...."why is it 2021 & we've not had the 2020 DLC"...threads.
 

Rubbernuke

Rubbernuke
Northpin said:
Consoles will get hit harder since they cannot release patches for consoles as easy as for PC.
Guess i will play more my PC alt than my console main for the next week hoping the January Update Patch One will not break some other things
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If all problems are sorted before release, then patch release schedules are more consistent as they become more infrequent.

FD have just put a point release patch out for the stutter which is great, however, why did FD miss the stutter? The beta was smooth so FD are not really using 'our' beta for true testing.
 

Ezren

Ezren
Simplystyc said:
So there we have it. I'd hate to break it to you Mr. Ratkatcher, but the Forums are not the real true voice of the player base.

No platform can make that claim as the community, in general, is so spread out over multiple platforms, no single one can claim they speak for everyone. Not even the official forums. The open letter was done up my many pilots who are not on the forums for one very simple reason.

Toxicity.
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Wow, this just in, nobody here is a player!
 

znôrt

znôrt
WILLIAM BILL ADAMA said:
1) FDev launched ARX update with a lot of CRITICAL BUGS.
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an often overlooked detail is that several of those critical bugs affected their brand new store. you may annoy some customers and get away with it (specially in the entertainment sector ... "it's a game" and all that) but you definitely don't want to mess with your employer's financial perspectives (that's hard cash). that alone must have had a stronger effect on the team/company than all bug reports and forum whining about bugs in the whole history of ed combined. imo that was the real reason of the change.

a change which, as we are starting to see, likely didn't really happen the way they put it in the statement.
 

Shinji Ikari

Shinji Ikari
Ratkatcher said:
I suspect that these 2 sentences, from the 'Open Letter' could be the 'bone of contention':

We don’t ask for new content and we don’t ask for a major shift in development. We simply want everything already delivered to be maintained properly.

It certainly felt as though "The Community" (as represented by the signees, not the overall 'community') were implying that everything be stopped to correct existing bugs...

That the very minimum of 'suggestions' in this document appear to have been adopted by Frontier (a 5 day beta - despite a 2 week minimum being requested) and then used as a 'reason' to delay new content would certainly indicate that "The Community" requests were responsible for Fleet Carriers being delayed...
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The own quote disproves the notion you forward, it explicitly states they are not asking for major shifts in development which is indeed where we are now.
 

Rat Catcher

Rat Catcher
Simplystyc said:
So there we have it. I'd hate to break it to you Mr. Ratkatcher, but the Forums are not the real true voice of the player base.

No platform can make that claim as the community, in general, is so spread out over multiple platforms, no single one can claim they speak for everyone. Not even the official forums. The open letter was done up my many pilots who are not on the forums for one very simple reason.

Toxicity.
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I said as much myself - but did not appoint anyone to be my mouthpiece.

It is interesting that you highlight toxicity - yet at the top of the list of signatures Smiling Dog Crew - curious - a group who coerced the Devs over a change to experimentals by declaring 'war' on new players until it was removed... but obviously not 'Toxic'...

The creators of the 'Open Letter' would have been aware they only represented a sample of the community, yet still chose to be a voice for the whole community, odd!

Yes, this forum is toxic in places, over some very emotive topics it can be very toxic, but there are many interests discussed, with vastly differing views, I'm sure you have noticed such - I know I have.
 

CMDR Carbo

CMDR Carbo
Ratkatcher said:
I suspect that these 2 sentences, from the 'Open Letter' could be the 'bone of contention':

We don’t ask for new content and we don’t ask for a major shift in development. We simply want everything already delivered to be maintained properly.
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Delaying new content is a major shift in development process, and that is what the open letter literally didn't ask for. No point in blaming the signatories. 🤷‍♂️
 
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