If we consider that delays are something normal in the development of video games, then yes we are on schedule.
So, we're actually on schedule?
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of course they can render anything they want in cobra, more so having complete control of the engine. doesn't mean they can do that in a game setting in real time, nor that the props and their movements and interactions are anywhere near ready for a real game environment. they could as well have included a green cow dancing polka there. it's not just post processing, demos have shown a lot of fancy stuff, including ships flying in ways that are impossible in-game.
otoh, i know very well my eyes may deceive me but if in doubt i'll always trust them more than what david braven can say in a press conference of sorts where he's trying to sell his product! i actually remember him saying that but you should take it with a grain of salt, he surely wouldn't imply that all that material is actual game footage you should expect to see
regardless, it is indeed possible that they could do some sort of legs, even in vr, but that video isn't proof at all for me.
of course they can render anything they want in cobra, more so having complete control of the engine. doesn't mean they can do that in a game setting in real time, nor that the props and their movements and interactions are anywhere near ready for a real game environment. they could as well have included a green cow dancing polka there. it's not just post processing, demos have shown a lot of fancy stuff, including ships flying in ways that are impossible in-game.
otoh, i know very well my eyes may deceive me but if in doubt i'll always trust them more than what david braven can say in a press conference of sorts where he's trying to sell his product! i actually remember him saying that but you should take it with a grain of salt, he surely wouldn't imply that all that material is actual game footage you should expect to see
regardless, it is indeed possible that they could do some sort of legs, even in vr, but that video isn't proof at all for me.
No matter how much evidence is shown some people dont believe we landed on the moon.
The truth is out there.
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Haha, good one.
Now see, I didn't land on the moon. Ergo, WE didn't land on the moon. Somebody landed on the moon. Bunch of nutters from the USA, as I recall.
some people believe in gods, although nobody has ever seen one.
so i guess believing that the krait demo is proof that frontier has been spacelegs-in-vr-ready since should be okay.
Not going to lie, I laughed pretty hard at this.
As to why I laughed, I suppose that's up to interpretation.
Particularly if I never clarify it myself as the author of that quote.
Funny how that works.
I still stand by my original stance - which was neither in support or opposition to expectations and the discussion around them - which is that the majority of blame for unreasonable expectations lie with the proprietor of a product, not its consumer. If consumers have unreasonable expectations (justified or not), there is a high probability that it can be tied to poor communication and marketing strategy rather than blunt idiocy of the consumer. The inane blubbering of white knights or trolls (which a quick glance at the forums shows them to be nearly indistinguishable) is only further proof of a proprietor unwilling to communicate honestly for its own benefit. It's tantamount to how the Federal Reserve in the USA functions: providing signals and cues that aren't remotely factual or honest because duping the market is easier than giving it honest data from which to make objective decisions.
Granted, most seasoned economists would be quick to remind me that Rule #1 of economics is that humans are stupid.
And most seasoned marketing directors would be quick to remind me their job is to sell a product, not its factual value or function.
You're not familiar with some of the central tenets of Christianity then?
Pretty balanced, I like it
But...
... so when information from an anonymous 'leak', published on a site with an 'interesting' stance, promises many shiny things to come, and some players decide it is factual, who is to blame? The Developers for not quashing the 'lie'? The consumers for having faith in unverified information?
Frontier have repeatedly told their playerbase, information will be given when they are ready, not before... They are not 'breeding' unreasonable expectations as nothing is being said, those expectations are entirely in the playerbase's imaginings.
This is pretty much a reflection of 'today' on the forum, no-one actually knows anything...
way too much, actually. got rid of that unhealthy bullarxe decades ago
would have said luckily, and luck is always there, but it actually took some effort. and it paid off.
but sure, let's discuss. what tenet do you mean, exactly? you're not going to come up with st thomas, right?
true. but ambiguity is frontier's game. they've even thrown hidden pearls into these sometimes. it makes media circulate around a lot more, multiplying the effect.
Neat, find where it says that in the “Elite Dangerous: Beyond – Chapter Two cinematic trailer”
Show me where is says "Elite Dangerous: Beyond – Chapter Two actual gameplay"
Well... I now realize it says “cinematic trailer”, which is devastating to the point I am trying to make.
It's a cinematic trailer, but we can imagine that it'll be like that. The character's faces look weird though.
While having a vivid imagination that is open to the promise of what you're looking for is wonderful, reading into things like this is simply a bad idea. Yes, it would be wonderful to put down my cold glass of blue milk and saunter over to my ship, nodding knowingly at my friends who are along for the ride in the MKII. In reality, if we ever do get Space Legs and I can convince some of my wingmen to come play this game with me, I would undoubtedly look over to see one of them teabagging my thrusters with gusto and the other contorting awkwardly as she flails the mouse around like a crazy person.
Space Legs is is a 2025 thing. It has to be. I mean, they have to integrate both a static and VR version of player movement into a game made in the early 2010s. As they've said, it'll be dovetailing a new game into Elite. I have zero faith that it is dropping any time soon, and if it does, I'm not eating anything. I'll be pleasantly surprised.
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Regardless I hope they keep making those cinematic trailers for future updates and what not. I have no idea the difficulty involved in making something like that, but I think it would be really cool if they made video logs for new stuff you might find in a similar way that they had the voice logs on like the Zurara and other gen ships. Im not holding my breath, but tell you wouldnt be excited to find video be logs out in the black
The issues with most of these trailers is not with the trailers themselves, but with the community reaction to them. Because the in game render of our commanders in the game and the characters in the trailers are so similar (According to the artists that do the trailers, they're actually enhanced), when you see the pilot walk up onto the bridge of that Krait, you think that they must be close to doing space legs.
In actuality, It's just like any of the trailers that have come before. Trying to give you a feeling of what it's like in the game. Elite got a lot of Flak for this in the past (Especially the Launch trailer which had space legs and insta travel in it and had the mickey ripped out of it on The Dave Gorman show) but it's nowhere alone in this. Look at the SWTOR Trailers. Epic Star Wars action that isn't anywhere in the game. At least in ED trailer, the space dogfighting was replicated.
Maybe they need a big CINEMATIC TRAILER title on the next one.
In actuality, It's just like any of the trailers that have come before. Trying to give you a feeling of what it's like in the game. Elite got a lot of Flak for this in the past (Especially the Launch trailer which had space legs and insta travel in it and had the mickey ripped out of it on The Dave Gorman show) but it's nowhere alone in this. Look at the SWTOR Trailers. Epic Star Wars action that isn't anywhere in the game. At least in ED trailer, the space dogfighting was replicated.
Maybe they need a big CINEMATIC TRAILER title on the next one.
To be fair, these games never said you would be able to play this way at some point before releasing these trailers.
Yes, some people go way overboard and it's silly how some still cling to it. But on the other hand I'm not too surprised about that reaction. Frontier's communication policy isn't them doing any favors either, really.