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Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
Ian Skippy said:
You think that is something? Our bold government has shown decisive leadership by doing the unthinkable.

They recommend people to not shake hands.
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btw, with 'our government' I mean the Dutch government. The Belgian government has not done much yet, as we haven't had one for over 400 days and counting. :p
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Of course I was kidding as my name is Patrick.

With us in France it is the same thing, not shake hands, not kiss, wash hands and be at least 1 meter from each person.

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[VR] Mad Mike

[VR] Mad Mike
right now i am worrying that my holiday will be cancelled in a few weeks. Actually scratch that, I am at the point now where if it is cancelled i will not be that bothered.

my main concern is that i go and half the facilities are closed down or i end up locked in my room..... if the place is not gonna be fully open i frankly dont want to go.
My worries however are because it is very early on.... i am pretty sure once people i know start to get it, i will have the reality check and wont give a toss about losing money and will be far more concerned about just not catching it.
 

Barking_Mad

Barking_Mad
jasonbarron said:
I had very severe symptoms, but my wife had no more than a mild cold and the kids sort of ran the gamut in between the two of us parents.

A couple observations, meant only to be taken as food for thought: I'm almost exactly in the age demographic where the mortality rate for the virus leaps to a higher percentage, so it stands to reason the symptoms would be likely to be more severe for me as opposed to the kids or my wife, just going with the math. Second, if the virus was identified in Wuhan in the end of December then it just stands to reason that it was around for a minimum of several weeks before being officially identified, so how many cases does that really put in various locations around the world that were transmitting potentially weeks (if not months) before we even started looking for them? And when we did finally start looking...we found them. Potentially there are thousands if not hundreds of thousands of cases that simply haven't been reported. Just look at the lack of testing kits there are to actually test people, and not only weren't/aren't available in every region, there are so few that only the most acute were/are being tested. I know that I'm no scientist, believe me I get that, but it just seems to be common sense that this virus is far more prevalent then is currently understood in any "official" manner.

In light of that, there exists the very real possibility that I, you, and many others have already contracted it. All it would have taken was an Amazon delivery during the holiday season, given the lifespan of the virus on inanimate objects like, say, cellophane wrapping in a cozy little shelter of packing peanuts covered with a nice protective armor of cardboard. Without being tested, we'd never know for sure.
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The first known case in China was on the 1st December.

As confirmed cases of a novel virus surge around the world with worrisome speed, all eyes have so far focused on a seafood market in Wuhan, China, as the origin of the outbreak. But a description of the first clinical cases published in The Lancet on Friday challenges that hypothesis.
The paper, written by a large group of Chinese researchers from several institutions, offers details about the first 41 hospitalized patients who had confirmed infections with what has been dubbed 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). In the earliest case, the patient became ill on 1 December 2019 and had no reported link to the seafood market, the authors report. “No epidemiological link was found between the first patient and later cases,” they state. Their data also show that, in total, 13 of the 41 cases had no link to the marketplace. “That’s a big number, 13, with no link,” says Daniel Lucey, an infectious disease specialist at Georgetown University.

Lucey says if the new data are accurate, the first human infections must have occurred in November 2019—if not earlier—because there is an incubation time between infection and symptoms surfacing. If so, the virus possibly spread silently between people in Wuhan—and perhaps elsewhere—before the cluster of cases from the city’s now-infamous Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market was discovered in late December. “The virus came into that marketplace before it came out of that marketplace,” Lucey
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jasonbarron

jasonbarron
Mad Mike said:
right now i am worrying that my holiday will be cancelled in a few weeks. Actually scratch that, I am at the point now where if it is cancelled i will not be that bothered.

my main concern is that i go and half the facilities are closed down or i end up locked in my room..... if the place is not gonna be fully open i frankly dont want to go.
My worries however are because it is very early on.... i am pretty sure once people i know start to get it, i will have the reality check and wont give a toss about losing money and will be far more concerned about just not catching it.
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A bigger worry to me would be getting stuck there and not allowed to return.
 

[VR] Mad Mike

[VR] Mad Mike
jasonbarron said:
A bigger worry to me would be getting stuck there and not allowed to return.
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yeah that too. (that was sort of what i meant by locked in my room). The speed this is spreading means that the decision may well be taken from me....... 2 weeks is a long time.

hell i have another holiday at the end of May.... god knows where we will be at there.
 

[VR] Mad Mike

[VR] Mad Mike
Stigbob said:
Apparently people have started stealing hand sanitizer from hospitals because the panic buying has emptied the shops.
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people are morons

point in question.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1237328695934812165
Source: https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/1237328695934812165


I guess i could "get" it if it was canned food, or rice or even hand sanitiser... but bog roll..... for an illness where acute diarrhea is not even a common symptom???
(and lets face it, if the worst should happen and you run out of toilet roll...... there are other ways!)
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
Mad Mike said:
people are morons

point in question.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1237328695934812165
Source: https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/1237328695934812165


I guess i could "get" it if it was canned food, or rice or even hand sanitiser... but bog roll..... for an illness where acute diarrhea is not even a common symptom???
(and lets face it, if the worst should happen and you run out of toilet roll...... there are other ways!)
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That's absolutely crazy.

I heard today they think France is the second worst European country so far because of all its migration links to Italy. So it went in a big way from China to Italy and now on to France.

There was a Europe wide phone in show about the various countries preparations for it, the UK seems to be seriously lagging in actual government action on it to the point nurses have no PPE or idea what they should be doing about any of it at all.

The UK government are either "worried the public will start ignoring infection control rules if they start early" (their version) or are doing the tried and tested British too little too late approach.

My moneys on the second since all Tory MP's have private healthcare and poor peoples survival has never been their priority.

Time will tell who's right, they currently estimate the infection will peak in the UK in the next two to three weeks.
 

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
Stigbob said:
That's absolutely crazy.

I heard today they think France is the second worst European country so far because of all its migration links to Italy. So it went in a big way from China to Italy and now on to France.

There was a Europe wide phone in show about the various countries preparations for it, the UK seems to be seriously lagging in actual government action on it to the point nurses have no PPE or idea what they should be doing about any of it at all.

The UK government are either "worried the public will start ignoring infection control rules if they start early" (their version) or are doing the tried and tested British too little too late approach.

My moneys on the second since all Tory MP's have private healthcare and poor peoples survival has never been their priority.

Time will tell who's right, they currently estimate the infection will peak in the UK in the next two to three weeks.
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It's a bit if a 'face eating leopard party' thing though...
 

Noobilite

Noobilite
Stigbob said:
Apparently people have started stealing hand sanitizer from hospitals because the panic buying has emptied the shops.
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That should help speed up the infections!! ><

If it wasn't going to pick up it might now!🤣

At least we know grocery stores will be in business after the epidemic finishes. Hopefully the mad rush will cause the spread and it will kill off everyone stupid enough to swarm a grocery store during an epidemic. Then we just have to hope the prices don't skyrocket for food afterwords. If we're lucky it's just the right amount to balance the cost and nicely increase the quality of the food! 8d
 

jasonbarron

jasonbarron
Stigbob said:
That's absolutely crazy.

I heard today they think France is the second worst European country so far because of all its migration links to Italy. So it went in a big way from China to Italy and now on to France.

There was a Europe wide phone in show about the various countries preparations for it, the UK seems to be seriously lagging in actual government action on it to the point nurses have no PPE or idea what they should be doing about any of it at all.

The UK government are either "worried the public will start ignoring infection control rules if they start early" (their version) or are doing the tried and tested British too little too late approach.

My moneys on the second since all Tory MP's have private healthcare and poor peoples survival has never been their priority.

Time will tell who's right, they currently estimate the infection will peak in the UK in the next two to three weeks.
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A contractor friend of mine is traveling in France right now. Says that you wouldn't know there was anything going on, no sign of it outside of news stories. That's how it is in America right now, too. A completely different story in the media where the talking heads are treating 28 deaths from a demographic that is dying from something or other daily like it's the coming of the black plague.
 

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
jasonbarron said:
A contractor friend of mine is traveling in France right now. Says that you wouldn't know there was anything going on, no sign of it outside of news stories. That's how it is in America right now, too. A completely different story in the media where the talking heads are treating 28 deaths from a demographic that is dying from something or other daily like it's the coming of the black plague.
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That is a two-fold problem.
1) The media will hype-up everything, regardless of whether it is particularly true or not.
2) The people tend to have only two modes: ignore whatever is happening, or completely freak out.

What is happening is very serious. You should not ignore it. You should also not beat each other up for TP. Unless...

 
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Stigbob

Stigbob
jasonbarron said:
A contractor friend of mine is traveling in France right now. Says that you wouldn't know there was anything going on, no sign of it outside of news stories. That's how it is in America right now, too. A completely different story in the media where the talking heads are treating 28 deaths from a demographic that is dying from something or other daily like it's the coming of the black plague.
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Bad news sells newpapers.

In the UK we have the Daily Mail for constant fearmongering about everything. Luckily we also have real news sources as an alternative :D .
 
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