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Stigbob

Stigbob
Synkreto said:
# of new Cases in Germany accelerating rapidly . We are going to be hit in 3 days, 4 tops .

I am sitting here watching several live streams and statically updated websites...I seriously just started crying when the newest figures from Italy came through .
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Reported cases in the UK are about to drop off a cliff, they are stopped any testing other than people in hospital with severe symptoms.

They aren't even going to test medical staff sick at home self isolating so they'll have medics sitting at home when they just have mild chest infections/cold. No more accurate data from us I'm afraid.

Apparently no capacity/manpower/infrastructure for large scale testing and the government have decided the cats already out of the bag so they've just given up on it.
 

Northpin

Northpin
Stigbob said:
Reported cases in the UK are about to drop off a cliff, they are stopped any testing other than people in hospital with severe symptoms.

They aren't even going to test medical staff sick at home self isolating so they'll have medics sitting at home when they just have mild chest infections/cold. No more accurate data from us I'm afraid.

Apparently no capacity/manpower/infrastructure for large scale testing and the government have decided the cats already out of the bag so they've just given up on it.
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The reported confirmed cases were the tip of the iceberg anyway.
The ones that are having the easy/mild form could number more than 10fold already.
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
Northpin said:
The reported confirmed cases were the tip of the iceberg anyway.
The ones that are having the easy/mild form could number more than 10fold already.
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Yep, but without any data we won't know if we are successfully reducing infections or if its spreading like wildfire and we've not shut as much publics gatherings down as elsewhere.
 

ianw

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Stigbob said:
Reported cases in the UK are about to drop off a cliff, they are stopped any testing other than people in hospital with severe symptoms.

They aren't even going to test medical staff sick at home self isolating so they'll have medics sitting at home when they just have mild chest infections/cold. No more accurate data from us I'm afraid.

Apparently no capacity/manpower/infrastructure for large scale testing and the government have decided the cats already out of the bag so they've just given up on it.
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Yes, and according to the WHO chappie - even once it's cleared a person can still be infectious for up to 14 days.

Our current advice - unless it's changed since Friday is self-isolation for 7 days. Then phone 111 if you're getting worse..
 

Northpin

Northpin
According to official reports, we are at 168 confirmed cases at the moment and all of them were/are hospitalized - even if they are asymptomatic.
One single case requiring intensive care, but reported stable.
We do have 3000+ people in quarantine and close to 15000 in isolation

Schools were closed 5 days ago (we were numbering 30 cases at that time!). Emergency was declared today.

Still, half of the people i've seen on the streets in the morning, when i was going to work, were elders :/
 

jasonbarron

jasonbarron
Northpin said:
According to official reports, we are at 168 confirmed cases at the moment and all of them were/are hospitalized - even if they are asymptomatic.
One single case requiring intensive care, but reported stable.
We do have 3000+ people in quarantine and close to 15000 in isolation

Schools were closed 5 days ago (we were numbering 30 cases at that time!). Emergency was declared today.

Still, half of the people i've seen on the streets in the morning, when i was going to work, were elders :/
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Where are you at?
 

ianw

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Ian Skippy said:
They all were forced to close already...
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Unless I'm mistaken ours is very much left to the individual.

Self-isolate, don't go the pub, not the pub is shut. That said the trains and tubes today were apparently almost empty so people are doing it anyway - well some are.
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
jasonbarron said:
The quicker we announce lockdowns and get serious about them from the top to the bottom, the quicker we're going to get through this.
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That's exactly what a professor of virology said today whilst being interviewed about it, of the cities in China affected by the virus the ones with the quarantines implemented harshly and quickly were quickest to recover. To the point they already have factories and such starting to open again.

The area's where the decision was delayed are taking much longer to normalize.

The countries dragging their feet on lockdown and not testing enough are at most risk of an extended problem.
 

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
ianw said:
Unless I'm mistaken ours is very much left to the individual.

Self-isolate, don't go the pub, not the pub is shut. That said the trains and tubes today were apparently almost empty so people are doing it anyway - well some are.
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Oh sure, was talking about our situation!

In any case: no new actions taken. It was a speech (and a pretty decent one at it) aimed at re-inforcing the importance of what is happening, explaining why we are doing what we are doing, what the alternatives are and what the decisions are being based on.
 

jasonbarron

jasonbarron
Stigbob said:
That's exactly what a professor of virology said today whilst being interviewed about it, of the cities in China affected by the virus the ones with the quarantines implemented harshly and quickly were quickest to recover. To the point they already have factories and such starting to open again.

The area's where the decision was delayed are taking much longer to normalize.

The countries dragging their feet on lockdown and not testing enough are at most risk of an extended problem.
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I wouldn't worry about testing anymore. I've personally been convinced that this has spreading without notice for almost two months, globally, and our various agencies are just sort of catching up with it. Just assume everyone has it and lock it all down. Easier to do in a communist regime like China, harder to do in a country such as the UK or USA, but we need to just bite the bullet and get it done, whatever the impact. As I said earlier: this is happening. All that's left is sort of nationally speaking wrap our heads around it.
 

ianw

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Ian Skippy said:
Oh sure, was talking about our situation!

In any case: no new actions taken. It was a speech (and a pretty decent one at it) aimed at re-inforcing the importance of what is happening, explaining why we are doing what we are doing, what the alternatives are and what the decisions are being based on.
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Understood.

I wouldn't wanna be a prime minister, health minister and so forth right now, especially a relatively newly elected one - talk about a hospital pass!

ETA - it seems our advice (UK) has been updated today regarding self-isolation.. entire families - or households of more than one person - are being told to stay isolated together for 14 days if one of them displays either of those symptoms. "That means that if possible you should not go out, even to buy food or essentials, other than for exercise and in that case at a safe distance from others,"
 
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Synkreto

Synkreto
2 new things popped up the last few minutes .

a) Suddenly, voices from CureVac deny earlier reports.
b) Press reports 2 vaccines going into clinical trial.

Opinions?
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
jasonbarron said:
I wouldn't worry about testing anymore. I've personally been convinced that this has spreading without notice for almost two months, globally, and our various agencies are just sort of catching up with it. Just assume everyone has it and lock it all down. Easier to do in a communist regime like China, harder to do in a country such as the UK or USA, but we need to just bite the bullet and get it done, whatever the impact. As I said earlier: this is happening. All that's left is sort of nationally speaking wrap our heads around it.
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Yes. But the whole theory of pushing the bump back to the summer so the hospitals don't get overwhelmed immediately is dependant on actually trying to push the bump back.

Giving up now means our healthcare systems can't possibly cope and the people who will require intensive care will vastly outnumber the beds/equipment which basically means lots of people will die who could have been saved.

NHS intensive care wards are already at 120% capacity, just because of the time of year Covid-19 hasn't impacted on it yet. They've been that way for years.
 

Synkreto

Synkreto
Stigbob said:
Yes. But the whole theory of pushing the bump back to the summer so the hospitals don't get overwhelmed immediately is dependant on actually trying to push the bump back.

Giving up now means our healthcare systems can't possibly cope and the people who will require intensive care will vastly outnumber the beds/equipment which basically means lots of people will die who could have been saved.

NHS intensive care wards are already at 120% capacity, just because of the time of year Covid-19 hasn't impacted on it yet. They've been that way for years.
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There is STILL a need to repeat that ?
 

jasonbarron

jasonbarron
Stigbob said:
Yes. But the whole theory of pushing the bump back to the summer so the hospitals don't get overwhelmed immediately is dependant on actually trying to push the bump back.

Giving up now means our healthcare systems can't possibly cope and the people who will require intensive care will vastly outnumber the beds/equipment which basically means lots of people will die who could have been saved.

NHS intensive care wards are already at 120% capacity, just because of the time of year Covid-19 hasn't impacted on it yet. They've been that way for years.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that in central Europe what we're talking about is going to be a moot point in about 3-4 days, and probably 10-14 in America. Testing at this point is not going to matter when all an overloaded healthcare doesn't care whether your pneumonia is from Covid or the seasonal flu.

@Synkreto you're misunderstanding my point in an epic way. Must be because of the all to human need for reacting to panic by having a particular person/people/nation to make the bad guys and vent on.

Edit: are you two seriously saying that "keeping the bump going and dealing with it now as opposed to pushing it back" is a better plan than quarantining? Because that's how it's reading
 
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