General / Off-Topic The safest place

[Deleted member 38366]

Here's some data from a single case in China that was analyzed after an infected person managed to infect multiple others in a bus :

Coronavirus can travel twice as far as official ‘safe distance’, study says

Health authorities advise people to stay 1-2 metres apart, but researchers found that a bus passenger infected fellow travellers sitting 4.5 metres away.

www.scmp.com

Emphasis remains : at minimum, wear gloves and a face mask when in proximity to others, especially in confined rooms.

 

[Raino]

Here's some data from a single case in China that was analyzed after an infected person managed to infect multiple others in a bus :

Coronavirus can travel twice as far as official ‘safe distance’, study says

Health authorities advise people to stay 1-2 metres apart, but researchers found that a bus passenger infected fellow travellers sitting 4.5 metres away.

www.scmp.com

Emphasis remains : at minimum, wear gloves and a face mask when in proximity to others, especially in confined rooms.

Yep, I dont give a sh.... about those numbers, ever heard about wind? each air flow/stream will change those to nonsense immediately

 

[Ian Skippy]

Okay guys, this is serious: Stop doing this.

 

[ianw]

Okay guys, this is serious: Stop doing this.

Looks like the woman with the fan is fanning any virus she may or may not be expelling to the guy on the left. Wonder what he did to upset her?

 

[Deleted member 38366]

Yep, I dont give a sh.... about those numbers, ever heard about wind? each air flow/stream will change those to nonsense immediately

Ever had wind in a closed room or any similar close confinement? Ever had wind while shopping in a center? That's where those numbers are useful and vital to keep in mind.
That's all I'm saying.

 

[Raino]

Ever had wind in a closed room or any similar close confinement? Ever had wind while shopping in a center? That's where those numbers are useful and vital to keep in mind.
That's all I'm saying.

OMG where do You think the air is coming from? there are air conditioner systems which do what? keep the air static? Dors and windows, there is air flow nearly every where. Also, if You limit this rule (to places where the air does NOTmove at all! if You find one!) please name it accordingly! You make people feel safe falsely otherwise

 

[GJ51]

Look at the bright side

Reports predict gas prices could drop to 99 cents/gal

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Let's try to relax a bit.

We cannot achieve perfect protection without spacesuits; it's just relative risk management when we go out. Wind or not, the exact risk per moment is an estimate .
Chances are that we are ALL going to get it, eventually. The measures we take postpone it. It is not a fight we can sustain perfectly over time, we will ALL eventually fail our countermeasures, and get exposed once we are in the environment.

It is happenning to trained practised medical staff with industrial grade PPE. Because they are where it is.

Stay home for the best odds. No visitors. No trips.
Help who you can, mindfully.

 

[Morbad]

OMG where do You think the air is coming from? there are air conditioner systems which do what? keep the air static?

They mostly recirculate the same air, and most AC filters aren't fine enough to filter out all aerosols.

Dors and windows, there is air flow nearly every where.

Opening doors and windows will certainly increase the rate at which air is exchanged in a home, but that's not always practical.

It's 0C here right now...those doors and windows are staying closed.

Also, if You limit this rule (to places where the air does NOTmove at all! if You find one!) please name it accordingly! You make people feel safe falsely otherwise

Most buildings have a fair rate of air exchange, even closed up, but falsely conflating indoors with outdoors is what will give people a false sense of security.

Cough or sneeze outside, and unless someone is right next to you, they aren't going to breathe in your aerosols, because of the enormous volumes of air moving around. Indoors, where there may be only a single air change per hour, and this is far less certain.

Coronavirus remaining in the air for a week is an extreme figure, but minutes or hours is entirely plausible for crowded indoor settings, like shopping centers or airports.

 

[lysan]

Neither of these is correct. If you sneeze it remains contagious in the air for up to three hours. The virus survives up to 56C (obviously your body is warmer than 4-8C), with ideal temperatures in the 8-15C range, which is slighly below SARS' ideal conditions.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973?query=featured_home

It need moisture to survive, in a hot climate the moisture will dry out and it will die, that is why it thrives in a cold and wet climate.

 

[Ian Skippy]

It need moisture to survive, in a hot climate the moisture will dry out and it will die, that is why it thrives in a cold and wet climate.

There is a huge difference between 'it thrives in a cold and wet climate' and 'it only survives in a cold and wet climate'. One is true, the other is not.

 

[lysan]

There is a huge difference between 'it thrives in a cold and wet climate' and 'it only survives in a cold and wet climate'. One is true, the other is not.

You’re splitting hairs here, but whatever rocks your boat, I’m good here so stay safe.

 

[Ian Skippy]

You’re splitting hairs here, but whatever rocks your boat, I’m good here so stay safe.

No, you were simply wrong. If it really 'only survives in a cold wet climate' dozens of countries would not be facing a tragedy right now. Maybe that is 'splitting hairs' to you because you are 'good here'. Honestly, when you say a bunch of stuff that is flat-out wrong you might just want to admit to it and move on.

 

[Han_Zen]

Let's try to relax a bit.

We cannot achieve perfect protection without spacesuits; it's just relative risk management when we go out. Wind or not, the exact risk per moment is an estimate .
Chances are that we are ALL going to get it, eventually. The measures we take postpone it. It is not a fight we can sustain perfectly over time, we will ALL eventually fail our countermeasures, and get exposed once we are in the environment.

It is happenning to trained practised medical staff with industrial grade PPE. Because they are where it is.

Stay home for the best odds. No visitors. No trips.
Help who you can, mindfully.

Good advice.
Staying away from other people works. Both China and S.Korea have practically stopped the spread. Containment works if we act smart.

 

[Ian Skippy]

We cannot achieve perfect protection without spacesuits; it's just relative risk management when we go out.

And spacelegs are coming in December at the earliest, if at all!

 

[Northpin]

got this in my whatsapp yesterday

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mkYGBLPJX0

 

[Deleted member 38366]

OMG where do You think the air is coming from? there are air conditioner systems which do what? keep the air static? Dors and windows, there is air flow nearly every where. Also, if You limit this rule (to places where the air does NOTmove at all! if You find one!) please name it accordingly! You make people feel safe falsely otherwise

I think you've thoroughly misunderstood then.

Air Conditioning is moving the air at low speed. This helps accelerate and extends the spread of the Virus.
All doors and windows open in a large or huge room and solid airflow? Looking better, unless you stand behind someone (multiple people) and the air movement blows their exhaust into your direction.

It's that simple. Small/tiny rooms = bad. Small tiny rooms with minimal airflow (Air Condition) = exceedingly bad. That's all I said and that's correct.
That knowledge is the opposite of "making people feel false safety". It intends to make people try to avoid such situations if feasible - or protect themselves accordingly.

 

[lysan]

No, you were simply wrong. If it really 'only survives in a cold wet climate' dozens of countries would not be facing a tragedy right now. Maybe that is 'splitting hairs' to you because you are 'good here'. Honestly, when you say a bunch of stuff that is flat-out wrong you might just want to admit to it and move on.

Why do everyone then wait for the summer to arrive? However I’m right and you are simply just grasping for straws here pal! Anyway I really don’t care do what you have to do, people are adults they can listen and make up their minds non of us know everything. Now take a chill pill and move on.

 

[Patrick_68000]

The Director General of the World Health Organization (WHO) on Wednesday called the new coronavirus "an enemy of the humanity",

"This coronavirus presents an unprecedented threat. But it is also an unprecedented opportunity to rally against a common enemy, an enemy of humanity", said Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, at a virtual press conference.

For the last 24 hours in Italy, 4207 new cases, 475 deaths, world record for a day.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Why do everyone then wait for the summer to arrive? However I’m right and you are simply just grasping for straws here pal! Anyway I really don’t care do what you have to do, people are adults they can listen and make up their minds

sigh

You claimed the virus only survives in cold wet climates.

it only survive in a cold and wet climate, so 4 - 8 C,

The virus obviously, evidently, factually and without any doubt is in literally dozens upon dozens of countries where it is not 'cold and wet'. Increasing temperatures help reduce spreading. It does not mean the virus cannot live there. Here is a map of Coronavirus in South-America:

You know what the weather in Brasil is not? Cold. Brasil is not a country famous for its cold weather. Infact, people might describe it as rather warm. Hot even! Yet it is there. It survives. It is not dead. The top four countries with number of cases are China, Italy, Iran and Spain. Country all notorious for being checks notes not 4-8C. This is not 'splitting hairs' (your first weak attempt at not having to admit what you said is daft), and you are not right (your new attempt is apparantly to just double down). What you said is comically silly, you should not spread such nonsense. And that wasn't even the only daft thing, you also claimed it is 'not as airborn as thought' while the scientific community is piling on the evidence it is, in fact, very much considerably more airborn than assumed. Which you just ignored.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973?query=featured_home

non of us know everything.

Then don't spread nonsense if you don't know about it. The problem is not that you dont know everything, but that you spread factually incorrect nonsense about a virus during a pandemic. This virus does not automatically die in the summer, waiting for the summer will not fix this, the virus very much is airborn.

Dear Lord...