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[Synkreto]

New case reporting spike anticipated as more testing comes online.

New $10 self testing is coming online soon.

Al these one-liner quotes are not helpful without the proper context. Data accuracy and testing is continuing to evolve.

Do you guys have any Idea how ACCURATE your test(s) ( especially the 10$ selftest ) actually is/are ? Cos you know, by now the world knows of various tests. some returning results rather quickly ( which can help to bolster number of tests done ofc )...but sadly some are pretty inaccurate .

 

[GJ51]

Do you guys have any Idea how ACCURATE your test(s) ( especially the 10$ selftest ) actually is/are ? Cos you know, by now the world knows of various tests. some returning results rather quickly ( which can help to bolster number of tests done ofc )...but sadly some are pretty inaccurate .

The lower priced tests are expected to be used for screening candidates who should be administered more stringent testing by a medical professional.

S. Korea has been doing extensive rapid testing successfully and is driving the curve down.

It's only a matter of time before other countries catch up and have access to effective high throughput testing.

 

[Synkreto]

The lower priced tests are expected to be used for screening candidates who should be administered more stringent testing by a medical professional.

S. Korea has been doing extensive rapid testing successfully and is driving the curve down.

It's only a matter of time before other countries catch up and have access to effective high throughput testing.

What do you consider "high throughput testing" ? How many people do you think need to get tested in the US to get to anywhere near what other Nations have tested in total by now ?

p.s.: last question: do you think it is a good Setup, which will provide usefull and reliable data, to sell people a cheap selftest ?

 

[GJ51]

What do you consider "high throughput testing" ? How many people do you think need to get tested in the US to get to anywhere near what other Nations have tested in total by now ?

Biomerica Begins Shipping Samples of 10 Minute Test for COVID-19 Virus Exposure

-- 10-minute test for coronavirus exposure utilizing blood from a finger can be performed anywhere by trained professionals, e.g. airports, schools, work, doctor’s office

apnews.com

The US Fast-Tracked a Coronavirus Test to Speed Up Diagnoses

The FDA has given emergency authorization to a new test that promises to help public health labs meet a potential surge in cases.

www.wired.com

Testing is improving and evolving rapidly

I couldn't find the self-test reference as I've been getting a lot of info today from traditional media as well.

There is no doubt that the private sector in coordination with govt in the US is pouring all it's resources into this effort.

 

[Synkreto]

Biomerica Begins Shipping Samples of 10 Minute Test for COVID-19 Virus Exposure

-- 10-minute test for coronavirus exposure utilizing blood from a finger can be performed anywhere by trained professionals, e.g. airports, schools, work, doctor’s office

apnews.com

Where is the actually usefull Information in all that advertising text ?

EDIT: Just checked the 2nd Article you edited in...which is from 4th Feb., and about the CDC Test ? Are you aware that the rest of the World had access to a working test since December ?

 

[Ian Skippy]

The usefulness would depend on the types of error. If it gives high false negatives, but low false positives, it can be useful for screening people as long as the 'better' test are in short supply: at least you know that those who do get the good test are most likely to test positive. If it gives high false positives but low false negatives, everyone who tests negative can rest assured they are probably in the clear.

As long as the ideal tests is in short supply, any cheap test that can offer either low false positives or low false negatives is a great addition to have.

 

[GJ51]

Where is the actually usefull Information in all that advertising text ?

Deployment of high throughput testing was announced this pm at WH press conference

I'm not here to answer your inane requests to validate everything I post.

Believe what you want - you undoubtedly will regardless of anything I post.

 

[Synkreto]

The usefulness would depend on the types of error. If it gives high false negatives, but low false positives, it can be useful for screening people as long as the 'better' test are in short supply: at least you know that those who do get the good test are most likely to test positive. If it gives high false positives but low false negatives, everyone who tests negative can rest assured they are probably in the clear.

As long as the ideal tests is in short supply, any cheap test that can offer either low false positives or low false negatives is a great addition to have.

Idk, I see a kindof perfect setup for diluting the numbers, making testing and testresults more unreliable and confusing as is at moment already .

 

[Synkreto]

Deployment of high throughput testing was announced this pm at WH press conference

I'm not here to answer your inane requests to validate everything I post.

Believe what you want - you undoubtedly will regardless of anything I post.

There are no requests by me . I am simply asking you questions . Questions you may find worthy to think about even .

 

[Chris Simon]

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5-dI74zxPg

 

[jasonbarron]

Dont want to be offensive now but:
Why don't you wait until this all over before attempting to count the score? Mind you, that's no rhetorical question.

Is there an echo in here?

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

DIY stoves are fairly easy.

Obviously don't try this if you are daft as a brush. Beware of alcohol flames that are almost invisible in daylight and make sure its burned out cold and empty before you refill it to avoid setting yourself on fire. Also never put a pan directly on top, rest the pan on something solid. These work well in your BBQ, which has a steady base a grill for the pan is flame proof and contains refill disasters.

Can Stove

Can Stove: Build a backpacking stove out of two aluminum cans: design is strong, reliable, and extrordinarily lightweight, burns alcohol fuels, and can be made for next to no investment of money. Boil water rapidly, deploy a 'campfire' in the middle of your ho…

www.instructables.com

Thanks for posting my friend.

I have like 8 months fuel supply though, so the stove is probably going to just be a little side project that the wife will complain about. I'll do a easy solar one with foil, a glass pane, and a thick square concrete flowerpot. Noon temp here is about 40C, so it'll easily bake a pizza or cook rice & beans, .

Source: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v5CdNH3sQT0

 

[jasonbarron]

New case reporting spike anticipated as more testing comes online.

New $10 self testing is coming online soon.

Al these one-liner quotes are not helpful without the proper context. Data accuracy and testing is continuing to evolve.

Aside from the shortage of testing kits in America that a few of our European friends love to gloat about, I wonder just how widespread and available mass quantities of masks were throughout Europe? Setting aside the fact that from this forum you'd think that they weren't dealing with their own calamities and lack of preparedness for a pandemic the likes of which nobody on Earth has ever been forced to cope with, you'd get the impression that there were tests available for every citizen in everyone of their own countries from day one. Gotta love that score keeping.

At any rate, it seems like the Trump admin rolling back the unhelpful regulations that stood in between us and getting an effective steady supply rolling in and getting the private sector involved has been a solid move, and despite the more dire projections floating around out there I think we'll be as close to getting this under control and beginning the recovery process as anybody. I actually think we'll be leading the charge, but early days yet.

 

[sewerratuk]

Aside from the shortage of testing kits in America that all of our European friends love to gloat about,

Easy tiger, not everyone in Europe is a pompous a-hole

 

[Ian Skippy]

Setting aside the fact that from this forum you'd think that they weren't dealing with their own calamities and lack of preparedness for a pandemic the likes of which nobody on Earth has ever been forced to cope with,

We have been discussing this for weeks. The US now simply joins the party. If you cannot stand the discussion of perceived issues with the US measures and approach, as we have been discussing regarding European countries for quite some time with nobody getting all upset, I suggest a more sheltered discussion group. If you already are this upset and outraged, consider how our Italian community members held themselves as Italy was plunged in all of this. Mistakes have and will be made, and they too will be discussed. Even if that pertains to the US.

 

[Stigbob]

Aside from the shortage of testing kits in America that a few of our European friends love to gloat about, I wonder just how widespread and available mass quantities of masks were throughout Europe? Setting aside the fact that from this forum you'd think that they weren't dealing with their own calamities and lack of preparedness for a pandemic the likes of which nobody on Earth has ever been forced to cope with, you'd get the impression that there were tests available for every citizen in everyone of their own countries from day one. Gotta love that score keeping.

I've done nothing but complain about the frankly dangerous lack of testing in the UK. The US was in the same position, but now apparently isn't. Depends if you believe this time they've made a test that works after messing the last one up.

There is no score its about peoples lives.

At any rate, it seems like the Trump admin rolling back the unhelpful regulations that stood in between us and getting an effective steady supply rolling in and getting the private sector involved has been a solid move, and despite the more dire projections floating around out there I think we'll be as close to getting this under control and beginning the recovery process as anybody. I actually think we'll be leading the charge, but early days yet.

They dragged their feet at first making excuses and playing the issue down failing to get quarantine in place, now they claim to be taking more action but might be talking cobblers and the virus may already be widespread. Sounds very similar to the UK to be honest.

Wait and see.

 

[jasonbarron]

We have been discussing this for weeks. The US now simply joins the party. If you cannot stand the discussion of perceived issues with the US measures and approach, as we have been discussing regarding European countries for quite some time with nobody getting all upset, I suggest a more sheltered discussion group. If you already are this upset and outraged, consider how our Italian community members held themselves as Italy was plunged in all of this. Mistakes have and will be made, and they too will be discussed. Even if that pertains to the US.

I don't even have a clue why your running your keyboard at me as I wasn't talking to you. Also, your statement doesn't even come close to making any sense seeing as how America has been discussing this right alongside everyone else at a global level. I'm an American and I was among the first to call for preparation, even when plenty of Europeans accused me of fear mongering, prepping in a way harmful to society and engaging in tinfoil hat conspiracies for doing so. Before this officially even left China. So your point is ridiculous even on that level. Your constant insistence that there is a score to keep and drawing these bizarre separations meant only to demoralize is mind boggling.

Funny you should bring up Italy; their country is fighting for their lives and has some truly awful statistics any way you would care to look at them and yet I can honestly say I haven't read a single post here criticizing their leadership for lack of preparedness, or going to the next level and trying to constantly undermine their efforts to pull out of the nosedive. Funny that it's constantly America America Trump Trump America America with you guys, yet mums the word about China, Italy, or even your own countries. As to your statement about needing a gentler forum...that's pretty rich when you can say anything you want here whilst I cannot because I'm American.

Just focus on your population and leadership Ian. Put a bit of thought into how many of your own coutrymen are laying in critical care units and perhaps reserve your negativity for the government in charge of what's happening there. And don't forget to wash your hands.

 

[Patrick_68000]

There is a silver lining though: the exponential increase in new cases seems to be stopping, as hoped for. It seems total lock down is working as expected. The impact that has on the number of deceased will take a bit longer though...

Yes and the total lock will be definitive for the virus ? Or when the containment is finished, the virus will start its evil work again ?

 

[Ian Skippy]

There is no score its about peoples lives.

So much this. Different countries have different issues and hurdles to overcome; financially, culturally, logistically. I've lamented earlier how Belgians evaded the closing of pubs by crossing the border into the hot-bed of Corona in the Netherlands; the local culture doesn't regard authority in the same way certain other countries do. On the other hand, we do have a strong social security net, which means that now people understand the severity of the situation they are in position where it is easier to comply with draconian measures when compared with, say, Italy. Belgians do not risk being unable to pay rent, and need no emergency laws the way Italy was forced to do.

The US is no exception; it also has it's own hurdles to overcome. One of them is almost Onion'esque.

Baltimore Mayor Begs Residents To Stop Shooting Each Other So Hospital Beds Can Be Used For Coronavirus Patients

Baltimore Mayor Jack Young urged residents to put down their guns and heed orders to stay home after multiple people were shot Tuesday night amidst the coronavirus pandemic.

baltimore.cbslocal.com

 

[Ian Skippy]

Yes and the total lock will be definitive ? Or when the containment is finished, the virus will start its evil work again ?

Both. I touched on this earlier: when they rejected the idea of drastic measures part of the rationale was that the situation would continue to get worse for the forseeable future. So if you close schools now, you can't open them in a few weeks again: you've pretty much closes them for this school year at the very least. Next day they did announce the closure of the school. For three weeks. Already they have been pushing a number of deadlines ahead, so it looks like it is a lock down for the forseeable future but they won't yet commit to that to prevent public unrest.

Remember that Italy has seen what this virus does. It makes it easier to accept lock down. We're not there, yet.