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And now China reports no new cases. Not one new person out of 1.5B populace has caught the bug.

This guy says it best.
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The report I saw said no new cases in Hubei rather than the whole nation as I read it.

But yeah, seems a bit of a stretch tbh given their previous economy with the truth.

Great news if true though...
 
That's outdated and their definition of "prison" is extremely flexible, they are currently trying to formalize and simplify it as the conflicting versions are baffling even for judges a major rework was announced yesterday.

Six years is still the real world average.

Dare I say:"source your rubbish."?
 
Not bashing on the US but I think from an outsiders perspective the gun thing must be a catch 22. You need guns because you have guns. If historically there had been no widespread civilian gun ownership then you'd be in the same boat as any other place with no widespread civilian gun ownership.

I doubt most US gun owners consider their firearms necessities. Some certainly do, but most rational ones have to acknowledge that the odds of them being used in a self-defense scenario is low (though those odds would likely increase in a time of civil unrest) and most gun owners aren't dependent on meat they hunt for subsistence. Of course, necessity isn't a prerequisite for owning or using something in any ostensibly free society.

That said, I'm certain you're correct about the tradition aspect. Most people would be fine about being told they couldn't do or have something they personally weren't inclined to do or have. Not me though, I'm radically opposed to any restriction on individual freedoms that aren't themselves demonstrable necessities, and am categorically against limits on or punishment for victimless crimes. If there is any possibility of something being used responsibly, then I won't have any part in restricting those uses, and will, as best as I am reasonably able, undermine the attempts of others to impose or enforce such restrictions.

THIS will end badly, these countries will surely have a bad year, clerics OMG...
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Combination of huge population densities and relatively lower development and education levels is not good for much of Asia.

And now China reports no new cases. Not one new person out of 1.5B populace has caught the bug.

This guy says it best.
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I'd be very surprised if there were really zero new cases.

That said, China has the means, the will, and a compliant enough population to clamp down far harder than would be practical most places...so, I'm also not going to be surprised if they have actually virtually halted the spread.
 
Dare I say:"source your rubbish."?

Google sentencing guidelines then prison term guidelines then probation guidelines. Now read up on prison overcrowding and the subsequent compulsory guidelines on early release. Now deduct any time spent on remand for the individual.

Once you've done all that subtract the various compulsory sentence reductions from the governments official numbers and try to work out where the line is actually drawn. Six years is being overgenerous.

They recently had to introduce emergency legislation to stop convicted terrorists being automatically released half way through their sentences after they (surprise surprise) attacked some people on release. There was no system in place to prevent it happening automatically for a convicted terrorist who was given a 14 month sentence, he was shot dead whilst stabbing people.

Good luck, the UK legal system collectively can't get their heads round this.
 
So what exactly stops the looters from carrying guns?

Need hands free to carry loot.

Really though, looting is an opportunistic thing, not the equivalent of an organized raid. Looters are typically highly risk adverse and being able to return fire is no substitute for not getting shot at. Defenders who know their turf and have a vested interest in protecting would still have the edge and would likely make most looters look for easier targets.
 
Not really. Only those countries tragically familiar with such outbreaks were immediately on it. And these countries learned form when they were not. It is just very, very hard to wrap your head around all of this when you never experienced it. When I suggested closing the university almost a month ago people had to laugh, but I myself only brought it up due to what numbers suggested to me. I couldn't really picture the reality of it either, or fathom what it truly means as to the impact on daily life. And the leaders of each country already have a pile of very real issues to grapple with.

Today in France a group of doctors has filed a lawsuit against the Prime Minister and the former Minister of Health, claiming that they have been slow to take adequate measures.

Trump also says Chinese have been slow to take adequate action.
 
Google sentencing guidelines then prison term guidelines then probation guidelines. Now read up on prison overcrowding and the subsequent compulsory guidelines on early release. Now deduct any time spent on remand for the individual.

Once you've done all that subtract the various compulsory sentence reductions from the governments official numbers and try to work out where the line is actually drawn. Six years is being overgenerous.

They recently had to introduce emergency legislation to stop convicted terrorists being automatically released half way through their sentences after they (surprise surprise) attacked some people on release. There was no system in place to prevent it happening automatically for a convicted terrorist who was given a 14 month sentence, he was shot dead whilst stabbing people.

Good luck, the UK legal system collectively can't get their heads round this.

So are you taking about people who were given life sentences getting out in 6 years on average or people are just not getting life sentences when they probably should? There is a world of difference and a big moving of goalposts.

Try goggling average time in prison for a life sentence
 
Google sentencing guidelines then prison term guidelines then probation guidelines. Now read up on prison overcrowding and the subsequent compulsory guidelines on early release. Now deduct any time spent on remand for the individual.

Once you've done all that subtract the various compulsory sentence reductions from the governments official numbers and try to work out where the line is actually drawn. Six years is being overgenerous.

They recently had to introduce emergency legislation to stop convicted terrorists being automatically released half way through their sentences after they (surprise surprise) attacked some people on release. There was no system in place to prevent it happening automatically for a convicted terrorist who was given a 14 month sentence, he was shot dead whilst stabbing people.

Good luck, the UK legal system collectively can't get their heads round this.

How odd. You start by confidently making a presumably factual one-sentence statement in response to Jason, and when I provide sources that suggest you are wrong you respond with a long-winded version of 'your sources are too old, stuff is complicated, even the experts dont get it, I dont have any sources myself but I am still right.' Such a shame we don't have any more recent info.

But wait! Here is an age-old article from December 2019: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-49886053
A life sentence rarely means life in prison. On average, those sentenced to life spend 17 years in jail.

Here is another article, specifically about the life sentences for murderers. This article is from the dark ages known as January 2020. Oh, how I heard about these times from my grandparents as I grew up! https://fullfact.org/crime/how-long-do-murderers-serve-prison/
On average, those who are released will have served about 16.5 years in jail, with a life on licence with the probation service to follow, unless they are recalled to prison.

So who is right? Stigbob and his wild unsourced claim that makes little sense, or the British government, the BBC, FullFact, wiki and common sense? I guess we'll just never know.
 
How odd. You start by confidently making a presumably factual one-sentence statement in response to Jason, and when I provide sources that suggest you are wrong you respond with a long-winded version of 'your sources are too old, stuff is complicated, even the experts dont get it, I dont have any sources myself but I am still right.' Such a shame we don't have any more recent info.

But wait! Here is an age-old article from December 2019: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-49886053


Here is another article, specifically about the life sentences for murderers. This article is from the dark ages known as January 2020. Oh, how I heard about these times from my grandparents as I grew up! https://fullfact.org/crime/how-long-do-murderers-serve-prison/


So who is right? Stigbob and his wild unsourced claim that makes little sense, or the British government, the BBC, FullFact, wiki and common sense? I guess we'll just never know.

I've given you the information you need to try to educate yourself.
 
Today in France a group of doctors has filed a lawsuit against the Prime Minister and the former Minister of Health, claiming that they have been slow to take adequate measures.

Trump also says Chinese have been slow to take adequate action.

There is always a big difference between the competence of elected officials and technical staff. It's disappointing to see so many countries round the globe where the problem is so bad that doctors consider it to be verging on criminal. And these are First World nations.

In the beginning, the POTUS had said that "It was all under control" and he had "confidence in the Chinese Authorities", which I quoted ( 🤭 )
- but now things have changed, haven't they?
 
So are you taking about people who were given life sentences getting out in 6 years on average or people are just not getting life sentences when they probably should? There is a world of difference and a big moving of goalposts.

Try goggling average time in prison for a life sentence

I get this stuff is complicated and I'm fine with you lot being wrong about it 🤷‍♂️.
 
So are you taking about people who were given life sentences getting out in 6 years on average or people are just not getting life sentences when they probably should? There is a world of difference and a big moving of goalposts.

Try goggling average time in prison for a life sentence

This is his claim:

In the UK life means 6 years and they spend half that in open prisons anyway so no real difference at all.

There is zero ambiguity. He claims people who get life in the UK spend 6 years in prison, half of that in open prisons. That is clearly wrong, I provided ample reliable and very recent sources that clearly demonstrate that. There is no point in discussing this further with him, it'll be an endless string of vague 'you are probably too dumb for it, it is very difficult, google it yourself, if you cant it is your fault, I dont care, wy u mad bro.' et cetera. You tried your best, he won't admit his ludicrous statement is obvious nonsense no matter how many statistics and statements you show him, so lets move on. :)

edit: and as I typed it he proved my point above: 😂
I get this stuff is complicated and I'm fine with you lot being wrong about it 🤷‍♂️.
 
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This is his claim:



There is zero ambiguity. He claims people who get life in the UK spend 6 years in prison, half of that in open prisons. That is clearly wrong, I provided ample reliable and very recent sources that clearly demonstrate that. There is no point in discussing this further with him, it'll be an endless string of vague 'you are probably too dumb for it, it is very difficult, google it yourself, if you cant it is your fault, I dont care, wy u mad bro.' et cetera. You tried your best, he won't admit his ludicrous statement is obvious nonsense no matter how many statistics and statements you show him, so lets move on. :)

edit: and as I typed it he proved my point: 😂

I get this stuff is complicated and I'm fine with you lot being wrong about it 🤷‍♂️.
 
Having been to ASDA yesterday I bet it fun in here? :(

You know that bit in the Tom Cruise version for War of the Worlds, where they are all trying to get on the ferry, just before the tripods walk over the horizon? That is what it felt like, but for real in ASDA yesterday. There were no tripods coming but the feeling of doom was there.

I'm more scared of the reaction to the virus than the virus itself. For the most part it seems to be bringing out the worst in people (if it wasn't then people wouldn't be panic buying and people in low risk groups wouldn't be ignoring the advice because they aren't likely affected).

Covid-19 came from Bats that live in what we call China. It isn't 'Chinese' even though it came from that geographical area. Anyway; a massive ing contest isn't going to solve this here or anywhere else.

Unless you don't care about our old or vulnerable people dying (as a species) then cut all the pollical . Covid-19 is ~30x more deadly than the flu, won't die off in the summer, infects 2-3 people per infected person and ends up with 6 - 10% NEEDING hospitalisation.
 
A French patient who had the virus and is now "cured" said that this virus is much more than a flu, and makes her think of malaria or typhoid.

A sample of one doesn't indicate much. The effects of infection seem to vary from not being aware of it at all to being fitted for a wooden overcoat.
 

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Hm, local area (despite politicians loudly proclaiming "there's enough for everybody") is increasingly running out of Prio 1 and Prio 2 supplies.
Empty shelves everywhere, doesn't matter which Shop or size (small or huge).

Local (highly regional) lockdowns increasing in South Germany communities now near the border, only a matter of time until others follow suit.

Only plus side : hostilities from others for wearing basic protection has quickly leveled off, increasing amount of people starting to protect themselves.
Seems the "news broadcast offensive" of the last ~7 days begins to pay off, as more and more people "get it".
(about a week ago, main local news channels went "less abstract" and started describing the situation far more bluntly; before that it remained a surprisingly small news snippet, presumably to keep the population calm)

Based on my own calculations, Germany will hit the tsunami wave in approx. 3-5 days.
Military support is highly visible in the news since 2 days, so the population is basically being prepared to see that happen more often.
DoD has already confirmed it's ready to stand by, notably also to provide "protection of sensitive infrastructure and assist in upholding law&order" should this be required.

Going to be a very interesting next week.

On the pro side of things, my local area contamination levels still remain low.
In lieu of a lockdown it's only a matter of time until the numbers continue creeping up.
Still, with lockdowns being publicly discussed and openly announced as an Option, I might end up being lucky with lockdowns going in effect before local contamination levels enter their exponential phase.
For me personally, that'd be the best possible scenario for my immediate local area * fingers crossed *

Plus, convinced my mother to wear a face mask for the first time, as the Hospital (and especially its elevators) are nasty hotspots I'd normally avoid like the plague. Not bad.
(old people can be >really< difficult to convince :p )
 
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