As I say, I've encountered and dealt with Ebola during '14, and the serious outbreak of diseases like dysentery during disaster relief efforts in the Caribbean hurricane seasons and the slightly less 'relatable' in terms of scale foot and mouth outbreak of '01 and the Fireman's strike of '02, which is where I'm drawing my personal experiences from to form my opinions.
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As I say, I've encountered and dealt with Ebola during '14, and the serious outbreak of diseases like dysentery during disaster relief efforts in the Caribbean hurricane seasons and the slightly less 'relatable' in terms of scale foot and mouth outbreak of '01 and the Fireman's strike of '02, which is where I'm drawing my personal experiences from to form my opinions.
Sounds rough, but I was meaning directly with Covid 19. There's a lot of terrible stories statistics and anomalous, incomplete data surrounding the pandemic and so many experts here on this forum. I'm just wondering how people among those we find ourselves arguing with (though God only knows why it has to be an argument seeing as how we're all in this together) have literal, factual first hand knowledge of what's going on with any specificity?
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It might as well just be rhetorical: Your sources good, jasonbarron's sources dumb.I neither rejected nor accepted anything, just shared my amusement at you suddenly going all formal about titles and universities.I have no comment about the video because I havent watched it yet, am playing online games with a mate. I am not particularly expecting much, given Ben Shapiro was the guy who convinced you Antifa was inevitably about to cause a US civil war before you became convinced WW3 was about to begin (any updates about the impending civil war or is that on hold?). But if you really want I can watch it later, no problem.
I'm no psychologist like you, just a lowly construction worker really, but I have you pegged as older than 65, alcoholic, probably a smoker and given how much time you have to spend on the internet probably overweight, none of which points to a positive outcome if this gets even close to you. Take care my friend, and don't forget to wash your hands.
( emphasis mine )I neither rejected nor accepted anything, just shared my amusement at you suddenly going all formal about titles and universities.
Considering Cuomo = "I dont think its legal" and it would be "a federal declaration of war" (re the POTUS wanting to quarantine New York )...maybe he was right .
I do not recall me preaching "Shut it down!". I do recall trying to drum into your head that you underestimate the thing, that it will come to pass that hospitals in your country will have to let people die cos they will not have enough beds, I went to great length to try and make you understand how important testing is, that you cant just let the Virus run wild cos "economy", and a few other things .
re first hand experience with the crisis : I dont . I am spending my time figuring out ways how to get through this, take as many people with me as I can, and be usefull to my community ( did sign up for volunteer helping programme, did not get a call yet... ) . And a few other things .
What does this have to do with me konwing SARS - CoV -2 is NOT CoViD - 19, or knowing CFR is NOT IFR, and "death rate" not being a term in epidemiology ? What does it have to do with me knowing the size of SARS - CoV -2 virions ( approx. 50-200 nanometers in diameter ), or the time it stays viable on different surfaces ? What does first hand epxerience have to do with people being able to understand exponential maths ? What does firsthand experience have to do with me asking whether the POTUS can actaully legally do what he says he WANTS to do ?
Let me turn the question around: What do you know about the Pandemic crisis ? Have you done any research ? Have you watched a WHO daily briefing ? Have you listened to Fauci giving testimony ? What do you know about the Virus, the disease, anything regarding the whole mess ? Did you even process by now that a committee has, as early as January 30th, communicated
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A letter from a Michigan hospital system details who would get life-saving resources if equipment runs short during the coronavirus pandemic | CNN
A Michigan health system has acknowledged it's preparing for hard life-and-death decisions after a hospital letter was circulated online detailing who would be able to receive life-saving resources during the coronavirus pandemic if there's not enough equipment.
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CNN says the Hospital has confirmed its real, but is also clearly pointing out the the Henry Ford System says their Hospitals are not near overload .
Relevant to your question: a key difference between us is that I don't lay blame/point fingers/denigrate leaders/denigrate forum posters/put on airs/promote negativity/criticize the way other people are coping. Yes I have done research, I spend a stupid amount of time looking into this from all angles. I have a poster of Dr. Fauci on my wall. I know as much or probably more than you. I was smart enough to stock up on tp before it was cool. I'm well prepared to deal with this crisis regardless of what form it takes, either worst, best or in the middle. I mean that physically, spiritually and psychologically. My question was rooted in "how do you think you have a better perspective than me if we're all just sifting incomplete data?" whilst yours to me is rooted in "you so dumb!"
Quit trying to divide us man. That's all you've been doing. You preach that we should fight this together, but all you do is denigrate opinions and evaluations that don't align with yours. Even just a minor detail like acting as if I (or American's in general) don't take thousands of people dying seriously is just downright nauseating. The hospitals in New York are full. The morgues in New York are full, They're building big tents with coolers in parking lots to store the dead in New York city. What g part of this don't you think I get?
Very true. After the fact, when there is hindsight, we can forget how much we were disturbed.
But that holds for "standard" crises, not exponential ones. We are psychologically unequipped for this math as a species.
He is sick and in quarantine ? Also, quite a few people in Europe have a WHOLE LOT OF TIME at their hands to spend on the internet, because shutdown, companies and shops, universities and schools closed, you know. all the usual stuff we routinely do when another Pandemic hits . Where I live, you are not supposed to leave your house unless:
- critical job :
- essential shopping ;
- medical necessity ;
- ONE walk or exercise a day, alone, or as group of 2 when with a person living in your household ;
Sheesh, ignorance does not begin to describe it, really .
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Ok, thanks. I laughed, I needed that .
And you do not remember you calling off people telling you this would happen ?
If a 'discussion' goes nowhere, let it go.
I never said this wouldn't happen. Ironically a certainty that what we're seeing would indeed happen is why I was the first and best prepared person (aside from @lysan) on this forum, including urging others to prepare, too, and being ridiculed for my troubles at the time. And the closest I've come to "telling someone off" is right now.
I know that to you me interpreting the incomplete data that we have as incomplete data and acknowledging that there's a lot of mis-information floating around is "telling people off" in your lexicon, but in mine it's called "arriving at different conclusions regarding possible outcomes."
Your instance on keeping score is downright ghastly. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to do that after the pandemic recedes, if that's the game you still have the stomach to play?
Its an interesting point and ties neatly into one of the core points of this thread when it started.
It reminds me of a weird discussion I had on Brexit with the then wife and her friends down the pub where they, vehemently loud social media 'remain' types were wailing about how there wouldn't be enough food/medicine etc. available within a week of the trigger being pulled on it and I told them frankly that they didn't really believe that. After the initial outrage, when they asked me why I'd said that, I answered: "Because I've seen the cupboards in your kitchen."
Deep down, a lot of the loud doom-mongers don't believe their own words, because if they did, they'd be more prepared. They're just doom-mongering as it suits their agenda.
Of course not. Post crisis we'll have a new thing pushed on us by media and the loud social media types to point score over.
I was just thinking about accuracy, but yeah, you're probably right.
Guy, listen, I'm usually all fun and games, and you know it. I'll be as blunt as I can. I don't care a bog roll about your "America here America there America everywhere", I don't care a bog roll about adding up numbers, and validating $random_name$ opinion, and placing bets on deaths statistic, I care even less if you feel your little bubble of certainty is constantly under attack by the evil forces of very very bad people with mischievous political ideas. If you feel the constant need to prove your points on others to feel validated, and need to resort to call different point of views from yours "heaping condescension on Americans", hey, you do you mate.
People I know is in intensive care as I write this. People I knew has died. You try your best holding to dear life and hoping that your ill mother will never start to have that cough. Because for her it will be a sentence. You feel a little clump in your throat every time you hear sirens stopping in your road, because if they are there to pick up someone, you won't know if it's a scratch or it's a bullet. I truly hope for you and your dear ones that you'll never going to see it as bad as it currently is here, as in many other places. Because it's not only , but it's scary one when you're in the middle of it.
And if you think that in all this, my worries (as those of almost any other around here) are about pointing and giggling at your country's offended dignity, or any other country for that matter, you are a sadder being than I always thought you were.
I don't give a hyperluminal about politics, ideologies and national borders. I only give them about people.
Learn to do the same.
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You know aken, I've always liked you, and I've always respected you but what you're doing is just dumping your grief on me as if I'm the bad guy here and somehow mocking you. Its pure rubbish. Covid is here where I live, people have started dying and I have elderly parents, too. I've said not a goddam thing to any of you that warrants attacking me on that premise. If that's how it's going to be, then go right ahead and pound sand.
Thank you, Messrs. Deregulation & Capitalism.
Are you taking me for a complete fool now?
It's not a view here, it's keeping tight, carrying on and trying your best to keep the odds on your favour.
You think you can directly refer to people as "heaping condescension" and then with that same sentence in plain view try a "but I'm not mocking you"? I'll let everyone else here being able to read to make their own ideas on that one.
But please, carry on with whatever your attitude is with life. There's no point keeping this going further. But don't expect me to be all merry and joyous as usual when we're talking with such superficiality of other peoples real lives.
Really, try to ignore him. He is not going to change nor will he be able to understand what you say. There is nothing to be gained from engaging with something like him.
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