The moment I realised the crap had really hit the fan in America? When the deflector shields got set to maximum.
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The moment I realised the crap had really hit the fan in America? When the deflector shields got set to maximum.
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Fevers are decreasing all across the continental USA in the best news I have seen this month.
We also already have, multiple times, discussed the German numbers, and explained some aspects of the phenomenon very clearly and understandeably . The main reason simply is :
Extraordinarily high Volume of testing .
High volume of testing means you get a LOT of mild cases . High Volume of testing also means you have a much better chance to keep a good eye on the Status of a lot of people most at risk, which results in you having a better chance to act life-savingly in case a person has a rather short incubation time, or goes critical rather quick . And overall speaking, it simply means you have a much better picture of what is going on, and where .
Imagine you have a patient who has whatever health condition(s) already, but can still stay at home, and there is no indication for you to assume they would develop CoViD -19 . Business as usual .
THEN, you test that person positive with SARS - CoV -2. You immediately know you have a high risk patient . While you still have the capacity, you can take that person to hospital already to stay up to date on their Status. You can act MUCH faster on sudden changes in their Status. You can take necessary precautions ( prepare for them going critical ) .
Testing and surveillance save lifes .
Sadly, in the last few days, we get an increasing number of reports from care homes where people already in need of care get infected, and many die . This will drive numbers up .
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Of course not ! Nobody has ever claimed that, quite the contrary. It has been said from very early on : we confirm a lot of mild cases. Most of our confirmed cases do not need an ICU Bed . That in itself points out another reason why good testing and surveillance is important : planning and logistics .
The officially reported # of people hospitalized, people in low ICU, people in high ICU can also be looked up in Germany . This information is openly provided by several sources ( RKI, DIVI, maybe others ) .
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When generosity backfires...
Did the Trump Administration Send 18 Tons of PPE to China in Early 2020?
Critics have questioned the wisdom of exporting to China medical supplies that would soon be vitally needed in the U.S.www.snopes.com
No good deed goes unpunished.
This is literally going to kill health care frontliners at home. It was a pretty dumb idea, but motivated by altruism and extreme myopia at the time.
It would not be inappropriate for China to dispatch similar aid to NYC, Italy, and Spain in turn, one would think. Considering their manufacturing base makes the stuff, and their crisis is subsided.
You could very well make a good case that stopping things in China was a good plan.
Goes without saying that assisting the first affected Country in containing/mitigation the outbreak is applaudable . Rather unfortunate how things turned out, the sudden, brutal shortness of urgently needed supplies could have been easily mitigated by not letting # of infections explode largely unchecked in most of the rest of the World .
China gave the rest of the world 1 month warning . Support in supplies from other Nations helped with that . The time won...has been wasted in too many countries . Even events in Italy and Spain, the warnings of "We are your future!"...got ignored. In too many Countries .
Thinking Chinas crisis is over may turn out to be a mistake .
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As I mentioned before in this thread about the distance rules and air moves here is an article about its spreading
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...r-lingers-rooms-long-patients-left-study.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...r-lingers-rooms-long-patients-left-study.html
865 dead in 24 hours in the United States.
The ravages begin now and Trump announces two very very painful weeks.
Compassion and thoughts for our American friends as for all the other countries, hard hit in Europe.
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The ravages begin now and Trump announces two very very painful weeks.
Compassion and thoughts for our American friends as for all the other countries, hard hit in Europe.
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While it's good to keep track of perspective, especially those people who seem to be driven more by emotion than reason, we must also keep in mind that the fatality number would be quite higher if nothing had been done to mitigate it as much as possible. While I can never know what those numbers would be, I'm willing to guess they would be at least on par with the seasonal flu.
Anyway, even though it's most surely not the apocalypse (in the grand scheme of things), it's still our duty as a society to do everything in our power to avoid people dying, no matter how many or few (again, in the grand scheme of things). That's why even though this virus doesn't make me lose a minute's sleep (in personal terms), I am still happily doing my part to avoid spreading the contagion.
865 dead in 24 hours in the United States.
The ravages begin now and Trump announces two very very painful weeks.
Compassion and thoughts for our American friends as for all the other countries, hard hit in Europe.
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It is going to become so much worse
. Stay strong America .AFAIK, Germany is also doing loads of testing, so their number of confirmed cases is very high, what makes the fatality rate seem much lower. But the extensive testing also puts them in a better place to take precautions to mitigate spread.
Germany will be the best place to be in a situation like this, it's a financially healthy country (for european standards), with very good facilities and one of the few european countries that still has anything that resembles some industrial muscle, to manufacture needed supplies.
Yes if we listen to the projections between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths to come for the next few months, I would not be surprised to learn for the next two weeks, days with 1500-2000 deaths.It is going to become so much worse
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I think it’s criminal that the uk gov sat on their arx and did nothing (of any pertinent value) to prepare our Nhs workers for the incoming tsunami. We had weeks to get logistics in place which were squandered. Now our frontline carers are unnecessarily at risk.
Trying not to be political about it, as it’s certainly not just our gov that is guilty of this, but I’m wondering if there’ll be a day of reckoning and wondering how our gov will avoid it!
This pandemic is high lighting the short comings of our way of life, will lessons be learnt?
To try to keep the topic socially centered as opposed to political, are people optimistic or pessimistic about long term changes to priorities and expenditure, will this create more urgency in regards to other pressing environmental issues?
Ed: or will we just have to find another ‘safe place’
Trying not to be political about it, as it’s certainly not just our gov that is guilty of this, but I’m wondering if there’ll be a day of reckoning and wondering how our gov will avoid it!
This pandemic is high lighting the short comings of our way of life, will lessons be learnt?
To try to keep the topic socially centered as opposed to political, are people optimistic or pessimistic about long term changes to priorities and expenditure, will this create more urgency in regards to other pressing environmental issues?
Ed: or will we just have to find another ‘safe place’
I think some people was of the opinion that my post was to downplay the situation, it was not. It’s bad the numbers show it, however before we pull the plug to society we should step back and see what else is going on.
when millions die of cancer we don’t forbid the products that we know can cause cancer, we slap a label 🏷 on it and move on.That’s why I said some perspective regarding death in our global society.
Some Northern European countries are actually doing better, the curve is under control and in the green zone, I guess some of the Nordic countries will be the first to open up and try to get back to normal.
In the debates on TV, I see above all that they talk about relocating certain productions of basic necessity in the national territory and rebuilding our national sovereignty.
Lifestyle change, climate emergency still doesn't seem to be the main concern.
But the nature will impose its law on us, and we will submit. She already started with this virus.
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Yeap, same here.
Been locked at home for 7 days already. Lucky me i even have a treadmill, so i managed to move my legs at least as much as before lockdown.
But for the next 3 working day i will have to go to the office - my shift is due (we are taking turns since we dont really more than a skeleton team in the office)
This seems to be one of the biggest issues at the moment in the UK.
Over a week ago they were saying the PPE supplies are available but there were logistical difficulties yet we see from the front line peeps daily that they're simply not there yet.
Presumably some of this could be down to supply issues but they really need to sort it out.
It must be quite galling for those involved seeing people keep repeating that protecting the front line workers is "our absolute priority" yet it still isn't happening.
Bit like auto attendants that all say "your call is very important to us" which in my head always gets the response "well why aren't you <insert obvious swear here> talking to me then?"
I think population density might be playing a some part there as well. Sweden, Norway and Finland are huge countries in land mass, but the population is small and sparse. You could house the entire populations of Norway plus Finland in New York City. Sweden alone could also entirely be housed in New York city.
Those countries are in this regard the opposite of US, which is also huge in land mass, but has many huge cities with millions of people, which allows the virus to spread like wildfire in those areas.
The deflector shields are always up. Avoiding accountability is how people stay in power while serving conflicting goals.
Even regulation-lite societies outright ban or tightly limit harmful substances, especially when the nature of the harm they cause is an indiscriminate threat, rather than one of personal choice. There are enormous lists of carcinogens that the FDA, EPA, or other US agencies have banned, and in most of these cases it took far fewer than millions of deaths for them to do so. Where there is reluctance to forbid such products, it stems either from economics (often the corrupt kind), or the perspective that people should be able to do as they wish with their own bodies.
Regardless, you can't just 'slap a label' on SARS-CoV-2 and expect it to be the optimal solution from any perspective. In most places there has to be some proactive incentives and deterrents to get people to do what's required for them not threaten others. This is doubly true when you have populations of idiots and systems that have no surplus capacity.
Societal factors are also important. Using Sweden as an example, as they are trying a very soft/non-coercive approach; half of all adult Swedes live alone and there is relatively low inter-generational contact. They also seem to be more trusting (and probably with good reason) of their government's recommendations, which makes resistance defiance less common. Time will tell how such an approach works for them.
Population density seem to play a big part. Even within Norway we see that Oslo has far more cases per capita, than other regions.
About 1/3 of our kommunes(smallest administrative unit) have no cases at all.
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The hospital I brought my mother into again now has decisively ramped up their procedures and protection.
Hardly anyone seen walking in or walking out without at least basic protection.
The treatment Station has been moved to another floor in order to maximize capacity for the ICUs and/or other patients that require strict separation from Covid19 cases.
All desk personnel now has large, protective plexiglass shields. Handover procedures now fully in effect right at the entrance, cutting down the traffic of non-essential persons within the Hospital to an absolute minimum.
So looks like the officials there have finally realized what I knew 2 months ago, at least noone is asking stupid questions anymore.
The plexiglass shields have rapidly become widespread for all types of businesses here that are still open, plenty of local manufacturers with the machinery and stockpiled materials have changed their production lines to custom-make those plexiglass shields.
Contamination levels in my local, small regional area are developing rapidly though and likely won't slow down for 1-2 weeks, which doesn't look too good.
Could be worse - but not good, looks like a classic pattern as seen almost everywhere else.
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