USS Question(s) on HGE's

khaos526

khaos526
I haven't been mat collecting much for over a year as I had a big stockpile and was doing a lot of other things. Now that I am back into the bubble and engineered a number of new ships, I've dwindled down a few mats and want to get a stockpile of them back up so I can easily engineer more ships when the time arises.

In the past of course, you had to fly around, figure the type of area in the system you needed to search (deep space, etc) and then just slowly fly until you got a Signal Source detected and you just needed to get close to see the type.

Now of course it's changed and USS's don't despawn when you exit SC anymore and such. From reading and doing some tests, I just wanted to know if this was the basic way most people are searching for HGE's now?

a) Fly to a high pop Boom (if wanting to use Mat Trader to trade for specialized G5 mats) or go to systems that meet the requirements to attempt to get specific mats.
b) Fly to the NAV, scan to get a list of all current USS in the system.
c) Get into SC, filter by Signal Sources and then lock on to the one you want with the least amount of time or distance, etc.
d) Collect it and then go to the next one in the system you see in the NAV panel.
e) Then when you have expired all those USS you want, I just sit around waiting for any New Signal Source Discovered to pop up and then use the FSS to scan those ones to see if they are the type I want, etc.
f) Keep repeating the wait for new USS and hitting any that are HGE's

Is that the best method out there now to find HGE's now? Or is there something simpler? I did realize that USS now spawn anywhere in the system and I don't need to be roaming around anymore and can just park my ship anywhere and just wait, but seems to be kind of time consuming (not like the old method of just flying around wasn't time consuming enough).

Just curious how others are doing this...
 
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Crank Larson

Crank Larson
That's pretty much what I'll do. I'll also scan the ships at the nav beacon to get the data, and shoot any criminals I find for more materials.

When I run out of USSs, I'll usually hyperspace to another system and repeat (or jump out and back again if no other suitable systems nearby, though that is rare).
 

d8veh

d8veh
khaos526 said:
I haven't been mat collecting much for over a year as I had a big stockpile and was doing a lot of other things. Now that I am back into the bubble and engineered a number of new ships, I've dwindled down a few mats and want to get a stockpile of them back up so I can easily engineer more ships when the time arises.

In the past of course, you had to fly around, figure the type of area in the system you needed to search (deep space, etc) and then just slowly fly until you got a Signal Source detected and you just needed to get close to see the type.

Now of course it's changed and USS's don't despawn when you exit SC anymore and such. From reading and doing some tests, I just wanted to know if this was the basic way most people are searching for HGE's now?

a) Fly to a high pop Boom (if wanting to use Mat Trader to trade for specialized G5 mats) or go to systems that meet the requirements to attempt to get specific mats.
b) Fly to the NAV, scan to get a list of all current USS in the system.
c) Get into SC, filter by Signal Sources and then lock on to the one you want with the least amount of time or distance, etc.
d) Collect it and then go to the next one in the system you see in the NAV panel.
e) Then when you have expired all those USS you want, I just sit around waiting for any New Signal Source Discovered to pop up and then use the FSS to scan those ones to see if they are the type I want, etc.
f) Keep repeating the wait for new USS and hitting any that are HGE's

Is that the best method out there now to find HGE's now? Or is there something simpler? I did realize that USS now spawn anywhere in the system and I don't need to be roaming around anymore and can just park my ship anywhere and just wait, but seems to be kind of time consuming (not like the old method of just flying around wasn't time consuming enough).

Just curious how others are doing this...
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I think most of those in the know go to Davs Hope to get materials and data, then to their favourite planetary base, like Pluckers Relay in BD+10 5022, to get the rest of the data, then to the material traders.
 

khaos526

khaos526
d8veh said:
I think most of those in the know go to Davs Hope to get materials and data, then to their favourite planetary base, like Pluckers Relay in BD+10 5022, to get the rest of the data, then to the material traders.
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Dav's (Hobb's) or ones like Electra, HR 5991, Aldhibah, etc, only a specific type of things though and you won't get those Imperial Shielding, Pharm Isolators, Military items,Core Dynamics, etc (unless you are talking about Mat trading lower Grades up to higher ones for those that are easy to get at Dav's, etc? Though that takes a lot of back and forth between Mat traders-Dav's etc to do a lot of trading up and then going back to replenish them again).

Data isn't an issue as those are easily obtainable by various bases (aka S3M bases for example being the easiest ones for MFE's, etc).

I was just hoping that it's still worth the time sink to find these rarer mats in HGE's now as it used to be, but maybe it is more efficient to just keep bouncing back and forth between Mat Traders and other sources to keep trading up for the G5's you really need. Sucks, but guess that just be how it is now...
 
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CMDR Tobias Burakowit

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All T5 manufactured materials are easily farmable thanks to the update on HGE's. Except for Pharmaceutical Isolators, as outbreak systems are rare and having the HGE being affiliated with the specific faction in Outbreak is rarer. Additionally, people have reported Outbreak USS's still containing Core Dynamics composites.

I have a few systems bookmarked for Imperial Shielding, CDC's and others that I won't share here in case they suddenly become depleted. But the best thing to do is

1. Equip a high jump range ship with collector limpets to your preference (depending on the ship and how quickly you want to drop, collect and go). Anaconda if you want to stuff 5A's and hundreds of limpets, personally I prefer a Phantom or Python. You want around 40-60 jump range, and 32+ limpets. Just like with mining you might be able to do 200 limpets worth or get bored after 30 minutes.
2. Visit systems that match the criteria as laid out on Inara/Wiki. The galaxy map filters are your friend.
3. Scan the nav beacon or use the FSS, I personally use the FSS at first to find 1 HGE, and if there are many USS's I go to the nav beacon to discover the rest. If you're using the SC assist exploit the nav beacon is a trifle 10-20 seconds flight and drop.
4. If you're hunting a common material, let's say Imperial Shielding, and there's only 1 HGE 20kls away, don't bother. Next system! Uncommon material, like the PI's, cross your fingers. If the nearest HGE is in the sub system 200kls away...nexto systemo.
5. For common materials you want 3-4 HGE's present, all within 10kls, go get them and bookmark the system. Leave, do some more collecting in other systems.
6. For uncommon materials, these are usually system state based so get what you can, bookmark the system even if there's only 1-2 spawns, and then check other systems.

The point is to not hang around in one system waiting for spawns, but to gather what's up, check before leaving in case another spawned a minute's flight from you, then onto the next. And having a set of bookmarked systems that you loop around and by the time you've looped, it has refreshed. Occasionally, you'll start to fill up and then you visit a material trader and trade down to lower mats or side-trade for the less common ones (I recommend the former, as you'll be using a lot in engineering). First time out I was using my explorer Phantom w/ 32 limpets and 2x 3A collectors - Using them sparingly, docking relatively often as I was trading mats a lot. I got tonnes of common mats, some uncommon, and filled my T1-T3 mats at the trader. Second outing, I took my Python with 2x 5A collectors and 132t of cargo space as I knew which systems to go to.

There's also an exploit that allows you to repeatedly gather from the same USS until its timer expires...but it's not as common knowledge as the SC exploit so I'm not going to write it here. Do some more research and you'll find it ;)
 
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uncle bulgaria

uncle bulgaria
From the OP that's the method I use. What i do is when I need to cross the bubble - say to revisit an engineer - then I filter the map to show only systems in boom and apply that to the route then set it to most economical and just bounce through a load of them on my trip.
 

Crank Larson

Crank Larson
CMDR Tobias Burakowit said:
Except for Pharmaceutical Isolators, as outbreak systems are rare and having the HGE being affiliated with the specific faction in Outbreak is rarer.
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It seems that pharmaceutical isolators don't only appear in HGEs. I found several the other day at a Nav beacon (obviously I had to destroy some ships to find them - can't remember what type of ship, though they'd have been wanted). Can't remember system state, but I don't think it was Outbreak either (I was near Cubeo - not many outbreak systems there). I only noticed as I've seen several forum threads stating they are hard to find (which may well be true, I don't bother looking for specific materials anymore).
 

khaos526

khaos526
OK, glad I'm not too far off what others are doing now for mat collection compared to the old way (USS mats only). Since I'm only interested in HGE's right now (which could change if I start upgrading via Mat Trader), I guess I'll try to not stick around waiting for HGE's to spawn and just hit the next system (that has the requirements needed for the mats I'm looking for) instead.

Thanks for the tips and suggestions and validations...
 

khaos526

khaos526
Crank Larson said:
It seems that pharmaceutical isolators don't only appear in HGEs. I found several the other day at a Nav beacon (obviously I had to destroy some ships to find them - can't remember what type of ship, though they'd have been wanted). Can't remember system state, but I don't think it was Outbreak either (I was near Cubeo - not many outbreak systems there). I only noticed as I've seen several forum threads stating they are hard to find (which may well be true, I don't bother looking for specific materials anymore).
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Luckily this is one of the mats I still have a lot of from before the changes, but good to know they're still obtainable and I'd be interested to know what State other than Outbreak you may have found them in so I can update my spreadsheet I made years back...
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
Find systems with multiple stars with no orbital bodies. These cause abnormally large volumes of uss to spawn. You'll usually get large volumes of uss, meaning you're guaranteed seeing hge's almost any time.
 

khaos526

khaos526
CMDR QUANTIS TRAP said:
OP, this vid from Cmdr Exigeousis the best for gathering quickly ... that is if you want to make it this hard core:
No one does tutorials like this guy!
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Yes I've heard about that HGE trick, but I hated the fact you had to log to desktop and it kind of took the fun out of hunting for USS's. Though since the changes, it might be something to resort to in desperation times.

Guess a lot has changed then, hell I just discovered Combat Aftermath doesn't give out crap for mats anymore either. Damn I've gone from the Bubble/Colonia mat hunting for too long I guess...
 

D.D.Hariman

D.D.Hariman
CMDR Tobias Burakowit said:
2. Visit systems that match the criteria as laid out on Inara/Wiki. The galaxy map filters are your friend.
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Problem is that these places are out of date or something.
Just finished 2 HGE's in a CIVIL UNREST in a Corporate Independent system with Federation Allegiance.
From Wiki:
Civil Unrest system states:
From INARA:
Improvised Components
Very rare		Manufactured (Mechanical components)USS (High grade emissions), Mission reward

All I got were Core Dynamics and Proprietary Composites.

Unless my problem is the :
Federal systems:
I can say that systems in a Boom, War/Civil War and Imperial do drop as the Wiki indicates.
 

D.D.Hariman

D.D.Hariman
D.D.Hariman said:
Problem is that these places are out of date or something.
Just finished 2 HGE's in a CIVIL UNREST in a Corporate Independent system with Federation Allegiance.
From Wiki:
Civil Unrest system states:
From INARA:
Improvised Components
Very rare		Manufactured (Mechanical components)USS (High grade emissions), Mission reward
All I got were Core Dynamics and Proprietary Composites.


Unless my problem is the :
Federal systems:
I can say that systems in a Boom, War/Civil War and Imperial do drop as the Wiki indicates.
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Ok, hit two more HGE's in the same system and got a mix of all the above Mats plus some G4s in the same subtypes.
SO,, maybe the way to maximize collection is to look for Federation and Imperial systems in the other states.
Wonder what happens in Alliance space??
 

khaos526

khaos526
D.D.Hariman said:
Ok, hit two more HGE's in the same system and got a mix of all the above Mats plus some G4s in the same subtypes.
SO,, maybe the way to maximize collection is to look for Federation and Imperial systems in the other states.
Wonder what happens in Alliance space??
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In the past Improvised Components were not only found in what you saw "Independent Systems in Civic-Unrest" but also combined with Industrial or Refinery economies. So maybe that's what you were missing if things haven't changed...
 
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