Cleaning up the Galaxy's bad data: An EDSM story.

Lance 'Spacecat' D.

Lance 'Spacecat' D.
Heavy Johnson said:
I wonder if it's possible to combine this with other technology to allow a commander to show the nearest body that needs a rescan?
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There is one way: An EDMC Plugin.
It's been done before a few times. The 'Red Star Eliminator' is a little known plugin that points you to the nearest system where EDSM.net is not sure of the coordinates (there's millions of those).
And another favorite plugin of mine is the Canonn plugin, that gives you icons for most valuable planets, and their 'patrol' function shows the nearest point of scientific interest (Guardian sites for instance).

Here's the link for Red Star Eliminator: https://github.com/Thurion/EDSM-RSE-for-EDMC
And the Canonn plugin, an excellent thing for explorers: https://github.com/canonn-science/EDMC-Canonn/wiki
 
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varonica

varonica
Lance 'Spacecat' D. said:
There is one way: An EDMC Plugin.
It's been done before a few times. The 'Red Star Eliminator' is a little known plugin that points you to the nearest system where EDSM.net is not sure of the coordinates (there's millions of those).
And another favorite plugin of mine is the Canonn plugin, that gives you icons for most valuable planets, and their 'patrol' function shows the nearest point of scientific interest (Guardian sites for instance).

Here's the link for Red Star Eliminator: https://github.com/Thurion/EDSM-RSE-for-EDMC
And the Canonn plugin, an excellent thing for explorers: https://github.com/canonn-science/EDMC-Canonn/wiki
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I have used both, at the moment I am running RSE but that's just for the occasional thing to do if they are close, a plugin for this would be great.
 

Orvidius

Orvidius
Those systems with missing coordinates really bug me, but 2.6 million is a lot to revisit, even as a community project. I have a map of their estimated positions (based on procedural name), but for the most part I have to leave them out of maps since there's little precision in this:

missing-coordinates-map.png
 

Orvidius

Orvidius
The number of systems with missing coordinates has seemed fairly stable, but some do have more recent timestamps. It's been in the 2.6-something million range at least as long as I've been paying attention, in any case. ;)
 

Chiana's Geek

Chiana's Geek
Lance 'Spacecat' D. said:
I want to throw a big shoutout to Qianas who is scanning systems like a boss! Bravo!
(I'm off to the southern part of the Outer Orion Spur, myself. With a side-challenge of snagging something in the codex)
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Thanks Lance! 🖖

I've completed a fourth, as I ended up there yesterday. Just finished Celebration of Early Astronomy expedition, though, so now it's time for a little break 😴

A lot of systems travelled through during this are now shinier, also ;)

BFN o7
 

BaldEagle

BaldEagle
Have now done a couple of 'zero arrival point' Flyeia Pruae BP-A d3 and Qoefi RH-V d2-2. EDSM still shows 0 after I scanned them yesterday.
 

BaldEagle

BaldEagle
They are 0.83 and 0.35. So is it a waste of time visiting those systems, or is there a plan for EDD/EDSM to show arrival points to at least 1 decimal place?
 

Orvidius

Orvidius
No, EDSM stores it as an integer, meaning the decimal portion is lost on the way into EDSM. EDSM would have to make a change in how it stores this, and even then we would only get fractional data on new submissions, and not on anything already in the database.

The journals record fractional numbers, but EDSM doesn't currently have that information.
 

Lance 'Spacecat' D.

Lance 'Spacecat' D.
Week 1: 83 systems resolved, 536 to go.

Baldeagle, we are aware there are some 'false positives' in the list, and there's no way to know which ahead of time. So just mark them as resolved and a little note is appreciated. Also good show! Baldeagle is the hero of Newton's vault, having cleaned the place up singlehandedly!

For everyone's interest, I prepared a little graph showing the amount of work we have in each galactic region.
galactic toscan.jpg
 

varonica

varonica
BaldEagle said:
They are 0.83 and 0.35. So is it a waste of time visiting those systems, or is there a plan for EDD/EDSM to show arrival points to at least 1 decimal place?
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Having tested out the FC's in beta I am depressed. Previously I thought FC's, new exploration game play, new distant stars to explore, new......oh dear can't afford to make 2 jumps after buying and outfitting, 7+ hours mining to fuel a single jump, no exploration at all if I want to actually get anywhere, I will probably be playing less from now on unless FDEV make a huge change to the way they are doing things. Probably cut my ED gaming down to a few evenings per week instead of seven. Oh well.
 

BaldEagle

BaldEagle
Orvidius said:
No, EDSM stores it as an integer, meaning the decimal portion is lost on the way into EDSM. EDSM would have to make a change in how it stores this, and even then we would only get fractional data on new submissions, and not on anything already in the database.

The journals record fractional numbers, but EDSM doesn't currently have that information.
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OK, I see thank you.
Of those systems showing an object with 0 arrival distance, are any likely to be >1 - in other words is it worth trecking out to them ... ?
 

Lance 'Spacecat' D.

Lance 'Spacecat' D.
Hmm, Leif_Erikson, those zero-gravity planets -should- have been cleared up. I'm seeing the EDSM system as not even cleared/scanned properly for ZUNI NP-S C6-251 So that almost certainly means you are not sending data properly to EDSM. Are you using EDMC with the proper authentification?
You are having a technical issue with sending data, try and figure that out!

I'm clearing a sector and having no problem, and I get a blue '100%' bar at the top of a system once I fully FSS a system.

And BaldEagle, the systems with a planet within half a ls of the star are a vast minority in our 0-Ls list. So of course it's worth trekking out to them, we need to clarify if it's bad data or cool systems after all.
 

varonica

varonica
Lance 'Spacecat' D. said:
And BaldEagle, the systems with a planet within half a ls of the star are a vast minority in our 0-Ls list. So of course it's worth trekking out to them, we need to clarify if it's bad data or cool systems after all.
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There's a need to somehow keep a record of which 0ls objects we have already checked though. When we last did this I ran across a couple when checking, it's possible that we are checking some of the same again. I know EDSM keeps a record of the latest visit and CMDR, can we filter by that to eliminate ones already checked?
 

Lance 'Spacecat' D.

Lance 'Spacecat' D.
Ahm, varonica, that's what the googlesheet is there for: We keep the record of which 0Ls systems were properly rescanned by clicking the yes/no...
...And it's good form to leave a little note if there's indeed a planet close to the star...

As for frequently running counter checks versus EDSM, no, sorry, there's several problems with that. It's a lot of work, I don't have direct access to the database, and that check would be unreliable as they're basically all explored systems. Having one 'recently visited' is no guarantee it was scanned properly the last time around.
 
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varonica

varonica
Lance 'Spacecat' D. said:
Having one 'recently visited' is no guarantee it was scanned properly the last time around.
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I was thinking more, if the last visit was by one of us taking part in this survey, but of course that doesn't mean someone else hasn't visited since we checked so it wouldn't really be much use anyway.
 
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