Gynealogy genes discussion!

avietar · Apr 7, 2020

Alright everyone! Let's talk genes!

I want to figure out how to interpret the genes, so I can start selectively breeding towards animals with the traits that I like, such as large size. I'm sure other people want to figure out how to interpret the genes as well, so let's do that in this thread

According to the in-game info:
There are 4 'variants' for the genes: A, B, C, or D. There are 6 pairs of variants on each gene.
All the A's and B's are counted and the total number of the A's and B's account for the size and life expectancy traits.
The fertility and immunity traits depend on heterozygosity: The 6 pairs on a gene must each have different variants, and each homozygous pair (the two variants on a pair are the same, like AA, BB, CC, DD) counts for a decrease in fertility and immunity.

So with that out of the way:

Am I correct to assume that with this info in mind, an animal would have 100% for size, life expectancy, fertility, and immunity if it was (AB AB AB AB AB AB) on both genes that are shown in the genealogy UI?

To be honest I'm kind of confused, because I have an animal with 100% fertility and a genes that is (CC BA BA DB AD DD), so it has multiple homozygous pairs and therefore shouldn't have 100% fertility.

Minimanta · Apr 7, 2020

Is there any particular reason why we can only see the genetic identity of fertility and immunity?

And I'm trying to crack the code as well and it doesn't really make sense to me. At all.
I have this nearly perfect wolf:

Who has a pair of BB and CC in his fertility and two pairs of BB in his immunity. Shouldn't that mean he wouldn't be perfect in those stats?

And then I have this reindeer:

Who has no homozygous pairs in his fertility and only one pair of AA in his immunity. Shouldn't that mean he would have better stats than 17% in each?

turkeyfox · Apr 7, 2020

Minimanta said:
Is there any particular reason why we can only see the genetic identity of fertility and immunity?

And I'm trying to crack the code as well and it doesn't really make sense to me. At all.
I have this nearly perfect wolf:
View attachment 168288
Who has a pair of BB and CC in his fertility and two pairs of BB in his immunity. Shouldn't that mean he wouldn't be perfect in those stats?

And then I have this reindeer:
View attachment 168287
Who has no homozygous pairs in his fertility and only one pair of AA in his immunity. Shouldn't that mean he would have better stats than 17% in each?

It "should" but apparently it doesn't?

Moonfox · Apr 9, 2020

I just wanted to pop in and say that "Gynealogy" is almost another word with a very different field of study

"Genealogy" is what you're looking for.

Super interested in cracking these codes! Lets get into it. I haven't found any patterns yet, but I've only just started a new zoo.

Swjosdotschka · Apr 9, 2020

Moonfox said:
I just wanted to pop in and say that "Gynealogy" is almost another word with a very different field of study "Genealogy" is what you're looking for.

Super interested in cracking these codes! Lets get into it. I haven't found any patterns yet, but I've only just started a new zoo.

I'm not a native speaker as well, so same things could happen to me, but since I'm not quite awake, I had a funny head scratch when reading the thread title

marcnesiumHH · Apr 9, 2020

maybe this explains some things further for you guys (be reminded it's a 4 months old post)

https://www.reddit.com/r/PlanetZoo/comments/e30gx7

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/PlanetZoo/comments/e30gx7/data_how_genes_and_breeding_works_in_planet_zoo/

Swjosdotschka · Apr 9, 2020

Wow... looking at the reddit thing, Frontier did an awesome job on implementing complex yet readable genetic. I'm blown away. Once again, they proof that IF they implement something on a later stage, it is absouletly well thought out.

PeppyPepp · Apr 9, 2020

I had a good look yesterday and I swear I can't understand it. It's not clicking for me. I feel like an idiot.

felinora99 · Apr 9, 2020

Minimanta said:
Is there any particular reason why we can only see the genetic identity of fertility and immunity?

And I'm trying to crack the code as well and it doesn't really make sense to me. At all.
I have this nearly perfect wolf:
View attachment 168288
Who has a pair of BB and CC in his fertility and two pairs of BB in his immunity. Shouldn't that mean he wouldn't be perfect in those stats?

And then I have this reindeer:
View attachment 168287
Who has no homozygous pairs in his fertility and only one pair of AA in his immunity. Shouldn't that mean he would have better stats than 17% in each?

Maybe it is a bug in what is shown and what are the true stats of your animal ? Try making a ticket maybe, so that a dev see it and tell us if it is a bug or if the info we have about how genetics works in the game are false ?

Minimanta · Apr 9, 2020

marcnesiumHH said:
maybe this explains some things further for you guys (be reminded it's a 4 months old post)

https://www.reddit.com/r/PlanetZoo/comments/e30gx7
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/PlanetZoo/comments/e30gx7/data_how_genes_and_breeding_works_in_planet_zoo/

All of that makes perfect sense to me, but that's not what I see in my animals.
According to that guide and to the in-game info my wolf I posted earlier in this thread SHOULD have 66,6% in both fertility and immunity but he has perfect 100% in both. And my reindeer SHOULD have 100% in fertility and 83% in immunity but he has 17% in both... Something's just not right.

Shira · Apr 9, 2020

Why there are so many pattern/color genes? Doesn't animals have only one variant for male and one for female + albino/leutistic (not for all species)?
I wish regular animals had small differences in their coat color...

Swjosdotschka · Apr 9, 2020

Shira said:
I wish regular animals had small differences in their coat color...

They are working on this and it will come in an update in the near future. Where do you see pattern and color genes, though?

felinora99 · Apr 10, 2020

Can someone please post a screenshot from the genealogy? I might have a bug

Hey there fellow gamers, when I look at the genealogy of my animals, it only shows genetic identity under fertility gene and immunity gene. None under the others. But there is a guide on reddit that says every animal has 60 genes in game, so I wonder if some just don't show for me. Can you...

forums.frontier.co.uk

I answered here what I think is the solution ! I am writing on my phone which wants to correct every words in French, so sorry if I don't reexplain here nor copy paste,don't hesitate to test this on your animals !

Jileha · Apr 10, 2020

I’ll have to take a look at my jaguars’ genes. Both parents have rather weak genes, and yet they produced a gold baby.

Interesting stuff!

soccertwin · Apr 11, 2020

So I was looking at some of my animals and comparing the genes from the offspring to the parents and noticed something

Say we have an offspring that's genome looks like this, using the formula posted in the link a few posts above

Fertility:
CA AB AC
AC AD DA
2
Only 2 genes are the same so as expected 1- 2/12 = 83% which is correct fertility for this animal

Immunity:
DA DD BB
BC DB BB
2 22
6 matching letters 1- 6/12 = 50% again matches up correctly with animal

Then looking at the parents find this:

Mother: 17% Fert, 0% Immune
Fertility:
CC AB AC
CA AB AC

Immunity:
DA DD BB
DA DD BB

Father: 67% Fert, 67% Immune
Fertility:
AB DD AB
AC AD DA

Immunity :
BC DB BB
AC DA AA

Notice the bold parts of dad's fertility and mom's fertility take either the first half or 2nd half of their genome for the related gene and keeps the letters in order, however it can either be the first half of the gene or the 2nd half of the gene, tested it with a couple of offspring/parents, try testing it out for some of your animals to see if it correlates for everyone else.

If this is correct you can at least compare the possible ways of the genes matching up in an offspring to figure out the likelihood of getting good genes so for example this pairing of the male and female could have a potential of 4 possible outcomes for the baby

It could have 1st half of both with 2 matching letters so 1-2/12 = 83%
CC AB AC
AB DD AB
2

It could have 2nd half of both 2 matching letters so 1-2/12 = 83%
CA AB AC
AC AD DA
2
It could have 1st of Father, 2nd of Mother, 2 matching letters so 1-2/12 = 83%
AB DD AB
CA AB AC
2
It could have 2nd of Father, 1st of Mother, 4 matching letters so 1-4/12 = 67%
AC AD DA
CC AB AC
2 2

This method explains how parents with less genes in this case 17% fert, and 67% fert, can combine and make an offspring with higher fert like 83%

If this is correct then on average 75% of offspring from this pairing should have 83% fertility obviously not an exact science but if this is correct if you find a high percentage of possible outcomes of a pairing end up with very low genes then you may want to consider another pairing. I cannot say for sure that this is perfectly correct so if someone finds a mistake please let me know!

Apparently it likes to move my 2's around to show the pairings but just look at the columns and determine how many pairs match going down the columns, sorry I'm not sure why it doesn't keep the 2's in the proper column when I post it

soccertwin · Apr 11, 2020

Traveling up many generations it also seems as though the first half of an animal's genome is what it acquired from mother, and 2nd half of genome is what it acquired from father this is how inbreeding can potentially cause a quick downfall in genes because if
Mom
AA AA AA
BB BB BB

Dad
CC CC CC
DD DD DD

and baby female could be and have 100% in the stat
AA AA AA
DD DD DD

if baby female breeds with dad
the baby female could end up using the same part she got from dad and if he gets that part again it ends up being this with all matching pairs and 0% in the skill
DD DD DD
DD DD DD

Keep in mind that is only 1 of the 4 possible ways that offspring could come out with other ways still having 100% because any other way would have 0 matching pairs

Loki Livewire · Apr 11, 2020

PeppyPepp said:
I had a good look yesterday and I swear I can't understand it. It's not clicking for me. I feel like an idiot.

You're not alone mate. Think my brain walked out in protest of having to work too much reading this thread. Some clever boffin will figure all this out, but it sure won't be me.

felinora99 · Apr 11, 2020

soccertwin said:
Traveling up many generations it also seems as though the first half of an animal's genome is what it acquired from mother, and 2nd half of genome is what it acquired from father this is how inbreeding can potentially cause a quick downfall in genes because if
Mom
AA AA AA
BB BB BB

Dad
CC CC CC
DD DD DD

and baby female could be and have 100% in the stat
AA AA AA
DD DD DD

if baby female breeds with dad
the baby female could end up using the same part she got from dad and if he gets that part again it ends up being this with all matching pairs and 0% in the skill
DD DD DD
DD DD DD

Keep in mind that is only 1 of the 4 possible ways that offspring could come out with other ways still having 100% because any other way would have 0 matching pairs

Thank you for testing this ! I am so eager to be able to see every genes, and to understand how size and longitivity works. It really was a great idea to show this !!!

Minimanta · Apr 11, 2020

soccertwin said:
So I was looking at some of my animals and comparing the genes from the offspring to the parents and noticed something

Say we have an offspring that's genome looks like this, using the formula posted in the link a few posts above

Fertility:
CA AB AC
AC AD DA
2
Only 2 genes are the same so as expected 1- 2/12 = 83% which is correct fertility for this animal

Immunity:
DA DD BB
BC DB BB
2 22
6 matching letters 1- 6/12 = 50% again matches up correctly with animal

Then looking at the parents find this:

Mother: 17% Fert, 0% Immune
Fertility:
CC AB AC
CA AB AC

Immunity:
DA DD BB
DA DD BB

Father: 67% Fert, 67% Immune
Fertility:
AB DD AB
AC AD DA

Immunity :
BC DB BB
AC DA AA

Notice the bold parts of dad's fertility and mom's fertility take either the first half or 2nd half of their genome for the related gene and keeps the letters in order, however it can either be the first half of the gene or the 2nd half of the gene, tested it with a couple of offspring/parents, try testing it out for some of your animals to see if it correlates for everyone else.

If this is correct you can at least compare the possible ways of the genes matching up in an offspring to figure out the likelihood of getting good genes so for example this pairing of the male and female could have a potential of 4 possible outcomes for the baby

It could have 1st half of both with 2 matching letters so 1-2/12 = 83%
CC AB AC
AB DD AB
2

It could have 2nd half of both 2 matching letters so 1-2/12 = 83%
CA AB AC
AC AD DA
2
It could have 1st of Father, 2nd of Mother, 2 matching letters so 1-2/12 = 83%
AB DD AB
CA AB AC
2
It could have 2nd of Father, 1st of Mother, 4 matching letters so 1-4/12 = 67%
AC AD DA
CC AB AC
2 2

This method explains how parents with less genes in this case 17% fert, and 67% fert, can combine and make an offspring with higher fert like 83%

If this is correct then on average 75% of offspring from this pairing should have 83% fertility obviously not an exact science but if this is correct if you find a high percentage of possible outcomes of a pairing end up with very low genes then you may want to consider another pairing. I cannot say for sure that this is perfectly correct so if someone finds a mistake please let me know!

Apparently it likes to move my 2's around to show the pairings but just look at the columns and determine how many pairs match going down the columns, sorry I'm not sure why it doesn't keep the 2's in the proper column when I post it

Huh... I think you just cracked the code!

Because looking at the two animals I posted, their stats would line up like this:

Wolf fertility:
DA BB CC
AB CA AB
No letters line up, therefore 100% fertility.

Wolf immunity:
BB CA CA
AD BC BB
Again, no letters line up and it's 100% in immunity.

Reindeer fertility:
DC DC AC
DC DC AD
Only the two last letters are different and that means 17% fertility (Or 16,66...% really, but the game rounds it up to 17%)

Reindeer immunity:
DB DC AA
DB DC AC
Again only the two last letters are different and therefore 17% immunity.

And just looking at random animals around my zoo they all line up that way. It definitely seem like that's how it works.
But that also means that the in-game info as well as that guide from reddit explains how it works in a very very poor way. Or maybe I was just misunderstanding them.

Minimanta · Apr 11, 2020

Oh and that also means that if you had an animal with AB AB AB AB AB AB in all four different stats, it would have 100% in size and longevity but 0% in fertility and immunity, because their genes would line up like such:

AB AB AB
AB AB AB
There are no different letters and therefore 0% in fertility/immunity.