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Twitter founder donates $ 1 billion to fight Covid-19.

Jack Dorsey announced Tuesday that he will donate $ 1 billion, or 28% of his fortune, to a fund to fight the new coronavirus.

Here is an example for all the rich people of the planet who must now ensure the well-being food, medical etc ... of the countless people who work all year for them and participate greatly in their fortunes.

A great example to follow here (And finally it's normal).

Thanks Mr Dorsey.

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New stats from the Netherlands: total mortality in the first week of april was 2000 higher than normal, ~5000 vs ~3000. Less than half of it can be found in the official COVID19 stats. This confirms other reports coming in from elderly care institutions, where death rate is through the roof. One institution is currently under investigation, after it failed to take proper measures and has already seen more than half of all their patients die.

The 'the powerful elite are falsely inflating death count to scare the population while they prepare their New Global Order' theories and such are the opposite of reality: mortality is underreported, and vastly so.

Well, the owner of a elder-care-facility will not report that his patients were killed by his inability to properly protect them from Covid.
While the elected county ruler will make a big fuss (sometimes grossly exaggerating the facts) about the situation in his county to get more resources, make himself look good and in the end to make sure he's reelected next time

No conspiracy theory here. Just human behavior.
 
Looks like the Franklin Roosevelt is at risk of turning into another Diamond Princess. 400 infected now. The former captain too.

Quite the debacle there. Ships pose an ongoing hazard with this infection, both civilian and military operations are going to be affected going forward.

 
I've traveled the world. It's something everyone should try to do, if able.

Since I value my privacy and comfort more than the need for what limited first-hand experience I could attain with limited funding and only the ability to speak English, I largely have to rely on the travel experiences of others.

Borders are a real bummer for travel.

If you have a problem with how your government structured its financial response to this crisis, take it up with your representative.

If I had meaningful representation I might be less hostile to governance.

An excellent thing that the public money is used for the welfare of people.

If there has to be public money, I can't think of anything else that should take higher priority when it comes to spending it.

Jack Dorsey announced Tuesday that he will donate $ 1 billion, or 28% of his fortune, to a fund to fight the new coronavirus.

Source: https://twitter.com/jack/status/1247616214769086465
 
Looks like the Franklin Roosevelt is at risk of turning into another Diamond Princess. 400 infected now. The former captain too.

Quite the debacle there. Ships pose an ongoing hazard with this infection, both civilian and military operations are going to be affected going forward.


Pentagon is also open to reinstating Crozier. The entire thing is another clusterfarce.
 
And in other news, some convincing data shows COVID19 might be correlated with not just G5, but also the KKK and subway sandwhich shops, among quite a few other things. What could this all mean? :eek:

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Well, since we know that lifestyle choices factor into overall health and hardy immune systems, I'd opine that when you start looking at fast food chains you're kind of stumbling towards a breakthrough, one that I've gradually been leading you guys to for weeks now.
 
It is, but better to get these operational and doctrinal problems sorted out now than with a more dangerous pathogen in a wartime scenario.

The problem is much more with the crown than with the corona. The Navy was handling it fine before civilians got involved.
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In contrast, mice groups exposed to virus derived from salt-coated filters resulted in 100% survival rate (Fig. 2d). Furthermore, lungs of mice from negative control groups exhibited severe lung infection 4 days after challenge (Fig. 2e).

So, is anybody reusing facemasks?
Looks like if you use salt, the viruses can be deactivated in 5 minutes and gone in 30 minutes.


Could make a dilute soap solution, saturate it with salt, soak my coffee filter, dry it and use that.
Or we could just put a thick layer of salt between 2 layers of filter material, like activated charcoal in a gas mask. Just hot glue it up.
 
Well, since we know that lifestyle choices factor into overall health and hardy immune systems, I'd opine that when you start looking at fast food chains you're kind of stumbling towards a breakthrough, one that I've gradually been leading you guys to for weeks now.
Lifestyle choices have little or no impact on infection rates. They have huge impact on dying though.
Italy reported early that 3/4 of the dead were men. They contributed it mainly to smoking and drinking habits differences between men and women.
 
Lifestyle choices have little or no impact on infection rates. They have huge impact on dying though.
Italy reported early that 3/4 of the dead were men. They contributed it mainly to smoking and drinking habits differences between men and women.
Yep. And those are just the obvious "no brainers" such as heavy smoker, or obese. What's really going to blow people's minds is when lifestyle habits such as Ian is sneeringly dismissing but are part and parcel for those that live in industrialized nation's take absolutely for granted turn out to be contributing. Might want to take a closer look at what you're eating and subjecting your bodies to, gents, and maybe have a long hard look at why people in Scandinavia are sailing through this with relative ease compared to most other countries in Western Civilization.

I opined weeks ago that "we lack the language" to even look for the less obvious underlying causes that lead to mortality. Why is that? Because all of the systems in Western Civilization tell us that it's ok, and since we can't think for ourselves and blindly trust what authority tells we just go along never the wiser. Not all of us, but enough. Just give me my phone and another jumbo diet soda plz!
 
Some people strive to achieve and better themselves, others feel the need to belittle and tread on those around them to try and place themselves on a higher standing. I can see which option some commenting on this thread have chosen.
Who here can say what effect 5G or 4G or 3G have on our immune system or any other system, or what effect any other pollutant has for that matter. ‘healthy’ people are succumbing to the virus. Potentially there is something that has made them susceptible to it.
 
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Yep. And those are just the obvious "no brainers" such as heavy smoker, or obese. What's really going to blow people's minds is when lifestyle habits such as Ian is sneeringly dismissing but are part and parcel for those that live in industrialized nation's take absolutely for granted turn out to be contributing. Might want to take a closer look at what you're eating and subjecting your bodies to, gents, and maybe have a long hard look at why people in Scandinavia are sailing through this with relative ease compared to most other countries in Western Civilization.

I opined weeks ago that "we lack the language" to even look for the less obvious underlying causes that lead to mortality. Why is that? Because all of the systems in Western Civilization tell us that it's ok, and since we can't think for ourselves and blindly trust what authority tells we just go along never the wiser. Not all of us, but enough. Just give me my phone and another jumbo diet soda plz!
I can’t see any argument against that. I believe the corn syrup manufacturers have rather a large lobbying power...
 
Sneeringly dismissing? Can't remember advocating for 'jumbo diet sodas', or 'jumbo sodas', or 'diet sodas' or even just sodas. But sure, how wrong I was! :rolleyes: Oh well, time to pour me a scotch. Without soda. I always enjoy a nice glass after a long day of working and paying taxes. Scotch: the healthiest drink on the planet; I sneeringly dismiss any claims to the contrary.
 

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So, is anybody reusing facemasks?
Looks like if you use salt, the viruses can be deactivated in 5 minutes and gone in 30 minutes.


Could make a dilute soap solution, saturate it with salt, soak my coffee filter, dry it and use that.
Or we could just put a thick layer of salt between 2 layers of filter material, like activated charcoal in a gas mask. Just hot glue it up.

I'm indeed "recycling" FFP2 face masks, but the issue is (as usual) far more complex than just giving any mask some "salt coating".

What I'm applying is a generic immersion decontamination.
Face masks that do not function by relying on static charge between multiple layers (immersion decon can't be applied to those, it renders their primary protection nearly useless) are immersed for a Minute in a decontamination fluid.

After being fully soaked, they're cleansed with clean water to wash out the decon fluid. The whole process avoids putting any mechanical stress on them while wet.

Only after being fully dried, they're ready for their normal, short-term use.

When it comes to salt, you'd have to ensure
  • the sodium layer is microcrystalline in nature and evenly distributed entirely throughout the mask
  • the sodium layer has sufficient absorption volume (range) to cover the intended time of use
  • all air is flowing through the microcrystalline sodium
  • no air is bypassing and the filtered air is flowing through a i.e. 1 Micron pattern or less

Will be difficult (to say the least) to ensure any of this with anything home-made.

PS.
The US Navy did everything wrong they could. When "the old man" on a Carrier makes such a decision, there should be no "desk jockeys" questioning the motives.
Such a move is only made when all existing chains of support have already failed - repeatedly - forcing the hand of "the old man".
That's why it takes this breed of exceedingly qualified people to effectively command a Carrier Group.
He did what he had to do to protect his crew - even if it went against protocol. Extraordinary times sometimes require extraordinary measures.
That man understood this concept, the Naval Command chain did not. That's why they were not on the bridge of that very Carrier - but this man instead.
Exactly the right guy for the job, he's proven that beyond any doubt and deserves the highest of respect. I can only salute this Commander and tip my hat.
 
Ian, it's nice to hear that you finally got off the couch and got back in the game my friend!

Edit: and yeah, after all the comments about lizard men, kkk and fast food chains directed at yours truly, I'd definitely go with "sneeringly dismissed." No big deal, but if you are gonna put it out there at least have the sack to own it.
 
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When it comes to salt, you'd have to ensure
  • the sodium layer is microcrystalline in nature and evenly distributed entirely throughout the mask
  • the sodium layer has sufficient absorption volume (range) to cover the intended time of use
  • all air is flowing through the microcrystalline sodium
  • no air is bypassing and the filtered air is flowing through a i.e. 1 Micron pattern or less

Will be difficult (to say the least) to ensure any of this with anything home-made.

How would this be done in a professional/commercial setting and what would prevent it from being done at home?

I mean I'm fairly confident I could get a microcrystalline coating of salt on all the fibers of a fabric mask by soaking it in brine and flash drying it with a heat gun. Probably wouldn't be perfect, but would it be beneficial?
 

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How would this be done in a professional/commercial setting and what would prevent it from being done at home?

I mean I'm fairly confident I could get a microcrystalline coating of salt on all the fibers of a fabric mask by soaking it in brine and flash drying it with a heat gun. Probably wouldn't be perfect, but would it be beneficial?

Lack of machinery, laboratory testing and analysis I guess, unless you happen to have few hundred grand worth of equipment and qualified staff around the home.

I'd say trying to make your own with no means of Quality assessment and -control, it'd most likely give a false sense of security.
You'd have no means to determine if your home-made product was of any added function or benefit.
 
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