Fleet carriers for exploration

Vayporz

Vayporz
lets see.... 147MCR/week upkeep, and if I'm "exploration farming" ( I mean just FSS-ing systems with the possibility of high CR planets, and then DSS the terraformables, WW, and such) I can get about 15-20MCR/ hour... so that's 7-9 hours of gameplay per week, just to keep the lights on in the FC while I'm out in the black.

I know...bankroll, not counting "trade with other players"...all those explorers out in the black needing to trade "champagne, cocaine, gasoline, and most things in between".

The 1BCR annual upkeep people were assuming based on the screenshots from the reveal has become over 7BCR annually?

wow...last time I saw people screw others over this much it had an NC-17 rating.

[numbers edited based on additional research... seen values of 44-147MCR/week upkeep, but more with the 147MCR)]
 
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Christian-A-Hill

Christian-A-Hill
My 2Cr worth of opinion on this FC matter...................
By no means I consider myself an advanced player. Only 7 months old. But I seem to have developed a passion for ED. It got lot more 'Immersion' for me than No Mans Sky.
Since I started ED I have been hearing about the FC topic. While I do dabble in BH, Trade to quench my FireFly life style thirst, Exploration is what really pulls my string. I was excited about upcoming FC. No not get one for myself. Medium ships and DBX are my kind of ships. I probably even would not get Anaconda unless 'The Game Mechanics' forces me to at some point. Not because I dont want to work hard to make the Credit, but simply because it wont be that challenging to explore with my king size bed in the over-sized Commander quarter.

I was however hoping I could dock at a player FC for a price and sell my data. It is absolutely difficult for me to see myself do the grind regularly to pay for the upkeep. I find it unrealistic to haul around the 5Bn Gold Brick Anchor as some one put it, all by myself and all my ships and live a lonely life on a floating city. I guess what I am trying to say is, I was not going to get the FC even FD did everything right 100% at this moment. But I would sure love to see few dozens seasoned explorers who has million of LY under their belt taking their own self sustained FC and going in to the black. I would love to find a closest FC, dock, sell my data, spend couple days in the vicinity, relax, rearm/resupply and head out in the black again, never to return in the bubble politics.

If i did not misunderstand what I gathered from all discussions, videos etc, was unless The commander has many billions in the bank, done 'everything' in the game over and over now bored, can sustain self without grinding even a day for many months to come, no many people will get the FC ?
Hopefully by the time the next update is fully ripened, things will change.
 

Eahlstan

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I bought Elite 224 weeks ago, in this time I made about 15.5 billion credits from exploration. That's 69 million credits per week, even with UC on board those 147 million credits per week would drain my wallet.
 

CMDR Karrde Sun

CMDR Karrde Sun
Burke said:
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They are demanding carriers have UC. Imagine you found upon your return to the bubble somebody had hoovered up all your tags cause they had it on their carrier. Ths is why the carrier cant. Best to make sure FD know your feelings on this before they cave in to demands.
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No, but you have to go back and get your own carrier.

It’s not even going to remotely feel like this, but day 0 mapping in the bubble was so much fun. You win some, you lose some, there’s plenty for everyone.

Oh wait the fss gives insta tags, less fun. The old school flight time for mapping was what kept it interesting competition wise.

Assuming you’re in or out because of the credit upkeep, the real killer at the moment is fuel. It’s a billion to fill up and that will only get you so far. How much time are you going to need to mine out there?

Who knows anyway I’m guessing this is going to be a long and agonising beta for those taking part.

With the fss, frontier simply closed the door on changes because they made the dumbest thing first and saved costs. My guess is there are technical challenges for carriers even with the skeleton crew all on deck.
 
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Yargulius

Yargulius
I find it strange that I can hire a pilot to do combat, but not a pilot to do the mind numbing chore of mining.
I don't need combat pilots. Combat is the fun bit of the game.
I need mining pilots damn it.
In X I could hire people and ships to do the boring stuff.
 

ShadowNUAR

ShadowNUAR
Adjustments will not hurt.
I would add 3 status modules, economy. For the shipyard and modules with the disabling of the sale or purchase of ships or modules and left only the possibility of replacing them among the loaded. Plus a tank for 4 jumps to do.
 

Han Zulu

Han Zulu
BaldEagle said:
I was excited about the FC, but with what it gives me (??) and the huge ongoing costs involved, only those with really deep pockets (I recon at least 20Bn cash now) need apply :(
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I made some estimate that you need about 14 b for all upgrades and run for a year, fuel not included though.
 

Sunyavadin

Sunyavadin
Yargulius said:
How many passenger cabins could you fit in a fleet carrier....?

There should be a cruise ship option.
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This would make it much more viable to do some of the Bubble - Colonia passenger missions, if you could stack a couple of hundred of them before setting out. I keep having them show up in passenger lounges and I can generally make the same money in a dozen single hop trips, so they'll never be worth it as is.
 

BaldEagle

BaldEagle
Han Zulu said:
I made some estimate that you need about 14 b for all upgrades and run for a year, fuel not included though.
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Yeah you are probably correct. I have a measly 7Bn 'cash' and do not fancy spending all my time just paying for a FC :(
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Out of interest I just decommissioned my carrier (never moved it or added anything) I will receive 4BnCr - so a loss of 1Bn Cr - a 20% re-stocking fee o_O
 
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Han Zulu

Han Zulu
BaldEagle said:
Yeah you are probably correct. I have a measly 7Bn 'cash' and do not fancy spending all my time just paying for a FC :(
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Here's what I suspect could happen (unless Frontier changes the numbers), is that the 5% (or 8% whatever) that can afford it right now, only some of them have enough for the upkeep for a longer time, and of them, not all of them play Elite anymore or care for getting one, and of the ones that do, after a few months they'll change their mind for whatever reason and will decom it, and of the ones left... they'll get bored eventually too. So in the end, one person might be sitting there and really, do I care to go and visit someone else's carrier? To do what? Pay a tariff for some stuff that I can get cheaper somewhere else? In the end, it's a non-starter the whole thing.

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Out of interest I just decommissioned my carrier (never moved it or added anything) I will receive 4BnCr - so a loss of 1Bn Cr - a 20% re-stocking fee o_O
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What!? It's only been a day? I thought it was only 5% loss at least for a while. Things like this will completely kill this update.

I almost think they should just drop the update and rethink it. Postpone this release until they can do it right.
 

Vayporz

Vayporz
Han Zulu said:
I almost think they should just drop the update and rethink it. Postpone this release until they can do it right.
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Probably so, but with that being the third time it was delayed... the intensity and combination of salt and heat that would bring... well could power an FC:

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Han Zulu

Han Zulu
Vayporz said:
Probably so, but with that being the third time it was delayed... the intensity and combination of salt and heat that would bring... well could power an FC:

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The amount of salty tears could be sold and cover the cost of buy one as well.
 

Cmdr Tali'Shepard

Cmdr Tali'Shepard
Burke said:
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They are demanding carriers have UC. Imagine you found upon your return to the bubble somebody had hoovered up all your tags cause they had it on their carrier. Ths is why the carrier cant. Best to make sure FD know your feelings on this before they cave in to demands.
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You clearly don't have a clue as to just how many systems there are out there. The chance of anyone 'hoovering up' all your first discovered tags, whilst theoretically possible, is so unlikely it's just not going to happen. If someone's out doing a long burn exploration trip, you've got more chance of being struck by lightning, twice, on the same day.

And that's without considering the change in exploration style a carrier could have brought, rather than just picking a system and exploring a single path to it, before picking another and repeating, I'd see the approach with carriers to be an approach more akin to find a system just under 500LY away with icy rings to jump the carrier to, then explore all the systems surrounding that one, with occasional mining breaks to stock up on fuel. Once refuelled, and have explored the area to your satisfaction, scout ahead to find another icy ring system and repeat.

At a minimum though, that's going to require a shipyard for a mining ship, and warehouse storage to take mining limpets etc with you, and of course, universal cartographics.

UC to allow pilots to actually make money whilst exploring and at radically reduced (ideally removed) ongoing maintenance costs for modules.

So despite my original hopes for what FC's would be useful for, unless that changes, I'm not getting one.
 

Redfox

Redfox
Cmdr Tali'Shepard said:
The chance of anyone 'hoovering up' all your first discovered tags, whilst theoretically possible, is so unlikely it's just not going to happen.
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I couldn't agree more. Doing so is neither economical, nor would I wish it upon my worst enemy's mental health having to retrace my deranged steps. If anyone really is in the hoovering business (which I very much doubt) you can check my EDSM profile, export many hundred ELW/WW from the last 4 years and get to hoovering them precious tags - feel free. You'll probably be able to afford a FC at the end.

A warning - what you'll be dealing with ;)
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Burke

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Cmdr Tali'Shepard said:
You clearly don't have a clue as to just how many systems there are out there. The chance of anyone 'hoovering up' all your first discovered tags, whilst theoretically possible, is so unlikely it's just not going to happen.
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And yet im pretty sure i have done it myself more than once just in my anaconda. Yeah sorry guys :D

I have crossed other explorers paths many many times and i hvnt really explored at all compared to some.
 
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