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I do not know, but it is plausible.
The virus is a medical science problem. All the potential containment and mitigation efforts are also, perforce, political. Medical professionals are generally there to advise. It's the politicians that ultimately have to decide what's implemented and how to implement it. There are no apolitical politicians.
Polity shoehorned itself into everything a very long time ago.
Self-moderation activated.
True, particularly now.
If there were a simple treatment it could be handled medically by retail work. Like getting your tetanus shot.
The control measures now, have to be agreed upon and regulated by the whole society. That is certainly political, which widens the scope for disagreement.
I decided to replace this post with a picture of a pair of boobies. An improvement, if I dare say so myself.
A most disappointing picture.
I was expecting...
.... politicians.
Thanks .
So you finally started reading up on the protocols ? Least you could do after missing all those meetings .
Feds uncover an alleged scheme to fraudulently sell 39 million N95 respirator masks to US hospitals | CNN
Federal law enforcement has disrupted a foreign criminal scheme to fraudulently sell 39 million N95 respirator masks to US health care workers, a Justice Department official said in an interview with CNN.
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Grabbing money by transfer, for masks you don't have, is Wire fraud.
Misusing public office to tout an unapproved drug when you and your friends have a financial interest in the company, is Securities fraud known as Pump'nDump.
Not sure if this was posted yet, but these are so really good charts:
www.nationalreview.com
Looks like most of our countries follow a similar path.
Gross or Per Capita Data? | National Review
What ultimately matters is what we already knew to be the central concern: the rate of change in caseload and mortality over time.
www.nationalreview.com
Looks like most of our countries follow a similar path.
Not sure if this was posted yet, but these are so really good charts:
Gross or Per Capita Data? | National Review
What ultimately matters is what we already knew to be the central concern: the rate of change in caseload and mortality over time.
Looks like most of our countries follow a similar path.
I find it increasingly difficult to compare countries. The two countries I know most of data-collection wise are the Netherlands and Belgium. In the COVID19 stats Belgium is doing considerably worse than the Netherlands. Today, for example, Belgium reported almost twice the fatalities than the Netherlands. Belgium also has more cases, not just in a relative but also in an absolute sense. That makes intuitively little sense: Belgium also enacted stricter measures, and enacted them earlier, than the Netherlands. And Belgium has a considerably smaller population (11 vs 17 million) What gives?
1) Testing. Belgium started ramping up testing earlier, and tested broader. For the first weeks everyone could just go to the hospital and get tested for free, no questions asked. That resulted in MANY negatives, as every hypochondriac showed up.
In the Netherlands that never was done, since pretty much the start only hospitalized people were tested, and medical staff.2) Fatality labeling. In Belgium 'suspected COVID19 fatalities' without positive test are counted as COVID19, with the tests being at the lowest priority (they are dead, after all). 2/3 of the reported deaths are these 'suspected' deaths, pretty much all from nursing homes. In the Netherlands only confirmed cases are counted.
When you look at the increase in mortality above the normal average, the Netherlands does worse. When you look at the official stats, they do considerably better. It is why comparing countries is next to pointless, and I believe the US is no exception: comparing various states will no doubt be comparing the proverbial apples and pears. Looking at the US as one country also is severely misleading. New York as a state does far worse than Italy or Spain. Ultra-rural states such as Alaska (~1 person per square mile), Wyoming (6p/m^2) and Montana (7p/m^2) are barely effected at all. To quantify that: per million citizens Spain has 386 deaths, Italy 348, New York 552(!) and Wyoming 2(!). Saying the 'US is average compared with other countries' makes no sense to someone in New York or Wyoming. To the former this is a terrible tragedy, to the latter this is pretty much nothing at all. Its like describing 'the average human body': neither man nor woman would recognize themselves in that picture.
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There's a lot to be said for being an antisocial hermit these days.
In depressing news, the G5 conspiracy hoax has resulted in a series of attempts to destroy or burn G5 masts in the Netherlands now as well. Successful attempts will render emergency services temporarily unavailable locally for mobile phones. Because of this authorities are politely urging the population to stop burning down essential infrastructure during a pandemic, even if a dude with a webcam and a blog told you otherwise.
Sigh
Sigh
We had an arson attack on one that serves one of the temporary hospitals here in the UK yesterday. Since visiting isn't allowed for Covid-19 sufferers, as the telecom network people pointed out this is behaviour that could result in people being unable to communicate with their loved ones and in a worst-case scenario could mean people missing the chance to offer a scrap of comfort to a dying relative.
I haven't commented on that aspect of this whole situation because to be honest I find it very difficult to remain even remotely civil when discussing imbeciles who are on a par with stone age people throwing rocks at the moon.
I also see that a certain world leader has suspended funding to the WHO, citing in part the fact that they 'praised China's transparency.' Which I think we can all agree is something only an absolute clown would do...
Source: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1220818115354923009
The Scandinavian experiment seems to be giving us depressing yet unsurprising results. Norway and Finland adopted strict measures early on, Sweden did/does not. Today's fatality stats:
Norway: 5
Finland: 5
Sweden: 114 and rising
Norway: 5
Finland: 5
Sweden: 114 and rising
Just for perspective, the first positive tests in the US were in January.
Completely agree. The time to have a discussion about the effectiveness of fire extinguishers is not whilst your house is burning to the ground; you either have it well before that, or some time afterwards.
Just want to brag very cautiously. Is that a thing?
Trinidad and Tobago COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Trinidad and Tobago Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info
We compare rather well with anywhere, considering it's a little flyspeck of a place. .
If WHO is defunded, how will a global vaccination program ever work? ( Assuming the T cell thing still even allows a vaccine to work. There's new info on that.)
Because to get things back to normal, we have to restart travel, commerce and trade, so everywhere needs herd immunity or it will just reboot the pandemic.
See, this is not about planning, or rationality, it is about November. Short range thinking always yields sub par results.
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Comparison of HIV and SARS-Cov 2 from Medcram
One important thing he notes is that the corona virus does not replicate in the T cells, which is different info from other sources.
T cells do seem to die from the infection though.
Source: https://youtu.be/8NffZAGELGg?t=195
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It seems that Germany will not fully escape the pandemic.
"Germany reported on Wednesday 2486 additional cases of coronavirus contamination, which brings the toll to 127,584, according to data from the Robert Koch Institute (RKI). The death toll has risen by 285 for a total of 3,254 since the start of the pandemic. The number of new infections started to rise again after four days of decline."
For their part, the United States has received more than 2200 deaths in 24 hours, a sad world record to date.
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"Germany reported on Wednesday 2486 additional cases of coronavirus contamination, which brings the toll to 127,584, according to data from the Robert Koch Institute (RKI). The death toll has risen by 285 for a total of 3,254 since the start of the pandemic. The number of new infections started to rise again after four days of decline."
For their part, the United States has received more than 2200 deaths in 24 hours, a sad world record to date.
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