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You reckon there will be unrest and kicking off? Punch ups in Tesco?

Anything is possible . Afaik, people did punch each other in the faces over toiletpaper weeks ago already somewhere ( I think in several places ) . I was honestly expecting New York City to get quarantined from the outside ( by Fed decree or whatever they call it ), and as a result the City exploding internally . Am proper glad that did not happen . But...this whole thing looks like its far from over . Anything can happen .

On the Vaccine : there is no Vaccine for CoV - 1 yet afaik . None for MERS either . Idk details, but I think this is something to keep in mind . Now that Paper Robin linked a few pages ago shows CoV -2 can infect T - Lymphocytes in some people . Thats probably bad news for the vaccine thing...
 
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In France, The Professor Raoult, who is a authority figure in the international scientific...

Yes, familiar with him.
His reports did not have controls. We do not have the information to compare one medicine with another, or with none. So it was hopeful, but not established. I believe his reports are truthful.

Perhaps the patients got better because most do?

If it did work, such a trial would confirm the fact quickly. Those who don't get it should do worse, die more, and recover more slowly.

That has not occurred.
In fact, the Manaus trial had so many deaths in the HOCQ arm, that it had to be stopped. In China, the ones not getting the drug did slightly better.

Until we get such proof, prescribing HOCQ for wide use is not justifiable, and it could cause harm.
 
I see that Forbes have found the key to good Corona response.
Have a female leader.🙂

They list:Mette Fredriksen (Demark), Angela Merkel (Germany), Tsai Ing-wen (Taiwan), Jacinda Ardern (New Zealand), Erna Solberg (Norway) and Katrín Jakobsdóttir (Iceland).

This virus obviously hate men. On top of favouring female leaders, it kills almost three men for every woman.

Not fair. 😫
 
I see that Forbes have found the key to good Corona response.
Have a female leader.🙂

They list:Mette Fredriksen (Demark), Angela Merkel (Germany), Tsai Ing-wen (Taiwan), Jacinda Ardern (New Zealand), Erna Solberg (Norway) and Katrín Jakobsdóttir (Iceland).

This virus obviously hate men. On top of favouring female leaders, it kills almost three men for every woman.

Not fair. 😫

Hmm, trying to think of any other western nation with a female leader. Can't think of any. Look it up at wiki.

Ah yes, Belgium. 🤦‍♂️
 
What indeed? Perhaps their own health agencies in each nation? At least that way, any cannot be accused of covering for another country. 🤷‍♂️

They would also be severely limited in their ability to coordinate and act effectively on an international level. For many nations this would mean they'd effectively have no health agencies. This is wholly impractical as pathogens don't respect geopolitical borders and an outbreak in one country is everyone's problem.

No national health system could achieve as broad acceptance and compliance as the WHO has achieved, nor would it be possible for one nation, or close alliance of nations, to police the whole planet's health.

Of course, I'm not even convinced a national health care system couldn't be accused of covering for another country. If anything they would be more vulnerable to internal politics.

OK, why an antibiotic, SARS-Cov2 is a virus, not a bacterium. Is Azithromycin a penicillin derivative?

Some antibiotics have anti-inflammatory properties that could be relevant, or would be used to treat possible bacterial co-infection.

Still the mechanism of action here is unclear...which is one of the reasons why it's a controversial recommendation.

I understand that you know when you have it as it totally wipes you out and don't even want to get out of bed, if only to pee.

Not always the case. Sometimes influenza can even be asymptomatic.
 
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Got a delivery of vegetables from a local farm. About 80 pounds of stuff. We cleaned, cut and repackaged, and I did the drop off to relatives, first time outside in 2 weeks. (Well, other than the night call outs.)

Almost 100% of humans had masks. Traffic nearly zero. All businesses closed and shuttered. Amazing. Drove for miles, without a single latina streetwalker trying to hail the car.

One lone bloke was trying to sell cotton candy at a traffic light.

All in all, it's much better than before the epidemic.
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Toilet paper is a problem because people are home and not using commercial / public bathrooms, according to an article featured on MSNBC last week.

The 2 types of rolls are different, have different distribution ecosystems, and no overlap. There is a glut of the single ply, recycled giant roll wood chip stuff, and a shortage of the quilted fluffy white double ply home product.
 
The smallest woman in the world, a 26-year-old Indian woman, walked the streets of Nagpur, a city in central India, on Monday, April 13, to encourage people to stay at home, the police having demanded all the goodwill to convince of the importance of containment in the middle of a pandemic. Jyoti Amge, who measures just 62.8 cm, appeared in various places of the city to encourage the Indians to wash their hands, to wear a mask and gloves when they leave their house.

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I'd like to know why toilet paper is still a problem.
Is the safest place the bathroom?

Easy : Hygiene products belong to the Prio 1 group of products, which is always amongst the first to go out of supply and out of stock (larger logistics) in any prolonged major disaster area, after any larger catastrophe or a war zone.

The production lines are basically all just-in-time with maximized efficiency and profit margins.
Interrupt that "perfect world" production plan nationally - and you get temporary, isolated and mild shortages.
Interrupt that "perfect world" globally... and you get empty shelves everywhere. Fast.

It's always the same, exceptions to that rule are only in regions of the planet where those products aren't "mainstream" during normal life anyway.
Nations in or in proximity to prolonged tensions typically maintain large national emergency stockpiles for this precise reason - including toilet paper.
Hence you can count on it like clockwork when the smelly stuff really hits the fan.

PS.
If you visit Afghanistan for example, a country which decades of war and conflict made fragile and extremely poor... generic bottled water is extremely valuable to the average population.
Simply because it's.... clean water.

In lack of any better reward, I once organized a "thank you for your hard work" giveaway for local Afghan workers (not my obligation - but the "western" (no naming and shaming) contractor team treated them extremely poor and didn't care one bit about and merely exploited them, so it seemed in order).
I've never - in my life - seen grown men all surprised and with tears in their eyes out of sheer gratitude.
...all over a plain, simple bottle of clean water. One had to witness that to believe it.
Stuff we had stockpiled by metric tons (although expensively imported from Saudi Arabia :p ).
 
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So everybody buying out all the toilet paper at Costco etc. is from a war zone,?

I thought it was just nutty people.

Well, I haven't seen any available pack of Toilet Paper in my area (Germany) despite visiting like 8-10 different large Shops. For many weeks now.

Because I built a small (reasonable!) stock of it long before the public realized what was about to happen, no shortage for me or my family. Slowly stocked it in over multiple weeks when everything was still normal (it had factually long stopped being normal, I was merely much faster to realize and act accordingly).

So having a little reserve doesn't seem nutty to me.
Should my elderly neighbors run out, I can also help out a little. The way it should be.

(obviously I strongly oppose the idea of stockpiling huge, unneeded amounts - and very strongly oppose any profiteering)
 
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