Aquarium/Waterworld DLC with diffrent Sharks,Octupus, Rays(mantaray, stingray..),Pyranha,Dolphins,Seals

[Kaan]

I agree Having orcas in PZ is currently my biggest (game-related) dream.

I agree. I think I can not sleep without dreaming this.

In my opinion PZ is the best and most beautiful zoo game ever made and I can only guess how incredible the orcas would look in the game.
I am really longing to have "my own" orcas, to name them, listen to them, breed them, watch them, see them grow up etc. There is no modern game that gives you that opportunity. And now dont anyone tell me to play ZT2 or Wildlife Park(1-3), I tried, but now that I know PZ there is no way back. And all other games with orcas are not what I am looking for, they are usually all just games where you have to kill everything
I know I will never get that close to real orcas anyways and might not even see a real one ever again, so I hope to have them in my favourite game at least❤


Sure, if Frontier made a new game fully dedicated to marine life I would totally buy it. And unless they by chance already planned it, it would take ages before it would get released. At least 5 years I would think, if not 10 years or more...

So I will still hope to get it in a DLC for PZ
Should they make a new game instead, I guess I would be happy with this then (but I dont think they will, so..)

hey! this is my mind! I think we are thinking the same thing.

 

[NL_Mutso]

I'm sorry, but this makes me laugh. Everything EA publishes today is A at most. (unpopular opinion?).

That's because a lot of people can't make a difference between the yearly updated franchise games. FIFA/Madden NFL games and games that pop-up every 4-5 years.
AC same issue. Just releasing games every year with barely new features. They actually changed after Unity because they realized a lot of players were unhappy with the "new" games.
I consider the Sims franchise a AAA title/franchise, even when other EA games aren't. (especially with the number of Sims players around the world - Sims3 - 11 years old and for the last 2 years 3-5k players on a daily basis)

A lot of people hate on EA nowadays because of their release strategy - you pay a hefty price for the game and a lot expensive DLC to make a game feel complete.
The same reason why a lot of people hate on Bethesda games, but I still consider the Elder Scrolls (not online) as a very highly rated franchise. I'm not going to hate on Elder Scrolls 6 beforehand because of Fallout76.

basically everybody looks at it positively. a separate game would not be a problem for me. I think I'm sorry I can't just use land animals. but I definitely do not think that a separate game will disappoint us. it will be rich in content. because, this is Frontier.

Exactly. Maybe even a competing company will try to fill in that gap.
A lot of suggested DLC won't make it in the game but I think it's good to be vocal about it. (as long as it is reasonable)
I like surprises and I think the base-game is good. So most DLC would be a nice addition, as long as it fits the intention of the base game.

 

[Kaan]

Exactly. Maybe even a competing company will try to fill in that gap.

For example, like the Prehistoric Kingdom. but it was announced long before PZ. But a company that sees the lack of sea animals here can try to compete as you say. and this competition is in our favor. but the development process is very troublesome. Frontier is a big company, so games development times are much faster than other small companies. The mechanics of Prehistoric Kingdom are very similar to PZ. But the PK has been developing for years, and there is still no release date(Dinosaurs are definitely much simpler than sea animals). so I don't think small companies can compete. especially if Frontier decided to do it(DLC or game), it seems not possible.

 

[NL_Mutso]

For example, like the Prehistoric Kingdom. but it was announced long before PZ. But a company that sees the lack of sea animals here can try to compete as you say. and this competition is in our favor. but the development process is very troublesome

The main difference is that PK relied on crowd-funding for this one. So announcing it long before release is something that benefits the game.
During the crowd-funding stage they even added new features if a new target $ amount would be reached.

A lot of companies don't release any info about the game until they've reached certain stage.

That being said, don't think there's much competition. Or we would've had multiple zoo game franchises.
But things can change: My brother used to play a lot of car (mechanic) related games.
From Street rod 1/2 to Gearhead Garage and now Automation (and there are multiple competing car games now)
Sim games are a big thing compared to 10 years ago.

 

[Kaan]

The main difference is that PK relied on crowd-funding for this one. So announcing it long before release is something that benefits the game.
During the crowd-funding stage they even added new features if a new target $ amount would be reached.

A lot of companies don't release any info about the game until they've reached certain

That being said, don't think there's much competition. Or we would've had multiple zoo game franchises.
But things can change: My brother used to play a lot of car (mechanic) related games.
From Street rod 1/2 to Gearhead Garage and now Automation (and there are multiple competing car games now)
Sim games are a big thing compared to 10 years ago.

I agree. the feature in one game may not be in another game. each game has its own pros. but, even if he's trying to compete, he has to prove himself.

 

[Firestar97]

I would absolutely love it if they would make a big Expansion Pack with aquatic Animals. I think if there would be enough Animals, I would even be ready to pay nearly as much as for the Base Game (the Price for the non-Deluxe Edition).
I think a Expansion Pack would be better than a separate Game because a lot of Zoos do also have Fish and other small aquatic Animals. Some normal Zoos do even have Cetaceans. We could build a Zoo without any aquatic Animals, a Zoo with a Botanical Garden, a pure Aqua-Zoo (if we get enough Animals), a Aqua-Zoo with a Botanical Garden or even a Zoo with a Botanical Garden and aquatic Animals. This would allow so much more creative Freedom.
I hope we will get a good Mix of big and small Animals because I would like Bottlenose Dolphins, Killer Whales and Manatees, but sometimes I build something and think ,,some small Fish would really look good in there"

The same reason why a lot of people hate on Bethesda games, but I still consider the Elder Scrolls (not online) as a very highly rated franchise. I'm not going to hate on Elder Scrolls 6 beforehand because of Fallout76.

I've heard that Fallout 76 is now way better than when it was released and People actually like it now

 

[NZFanatic]

Expansion packs mostly are a thing in the past. The only thing you can discuss was the latest big DLC for JWE. That feels like an expansion. (but that one doesn't change the overall feeling of the game)
It still happens for games like Sims4 but those are games with +5 years support and has a huge following. Sims4 is a AAA title.
Such support is pretty rare nowadays.

Even with The Sims, gaps between 'big expansion packs' are buffed out by smaller DLC (stuff packs, game packs). The new expansion packs are also far more limited in scope than they were with The Sims 3, for example. Plus, the guys making Paralives seem to be doing a damn good job creating a better version of The Sims, so there's a good chance we'll see EA's model change with The Sims 5 depending on how well Paralives does.

I would also point out that Return to Jurassic Park (which I think is what you're referring to by the latest big DLC for Evolution) only contained a small handful of new animals (technically speaking). While they did include more 'classic' variants of the already existing dinosaurs, which I don't doubt required a hefty amount of work, do we consider these 'new' or 'reskinned'? Even in that case I'd say it wasn't nearly as 'expansive' as expansion packs used to be.

I see your point, of course, but it folds into my own point about birds and such - certain features and themes outright require more content than we've been getting with the current DLC model for Planet Zoo. In any event we just have to wait and see.

Anyway let's not disperse the threads.

basically everybody looks at it positively. a separate game would not be a problem for me. I think I'm sorry I can't just use land animals. but I definitely do not think that a separate game will disappoint us. it will be rich in content. because, this is Frontier.
I just suspect that there may be confusion in the animal list.

I think there's a good chance we will see some marine animals in Planet Zoo, but I imagine they will be more in line with what the 'majority' of zoos hold, rather than what a select handful hold. So yes, Brookfield Zoo has a dolphinarium, but they're the exception to the rule; many zoos have sea lions, on the other hand, and most definitely penguins. So you and Tuky and others might miss out on the big ticket show animals you want to see (the orca, the dolphins) but you might still get something, at least. On top of that, with the inclusion of diving/underwater swimming which would inevitably have to be included, there will also be new ways to utilise the bears, tigers, and crocodiles that we already have in-game.

 

[ReinoldJudd]

Heck, you could even do an easy version of this just adding the following:
Penguins
Seals
Sea Lions
Walruses
Sea Otters

That'd add significant water life without significant overhead

 

[NZFanatic]

Heck, you could even do an easy version of this just adding the following:
Penguins
Seals
Sea Lions
Walruses
Sea Otters

That'd add significant water life without significant overhead

Exactly. My ideal 'Marine DLC' would basically include:

- California Sea Lion.
- Southern Sea Otter.
- Some kind of penguin (hard to choose just one - I'm bias towards the Little Blue Penguin, but realistically I'd expect the Humboldt, Southern Rockhopper, or African/Black-Footed).
- Grey Seal.

Plust a new aquarium system which is functionally identical to the exhibit system with a few species:
- Common Octopus.
- Leafy Seadragon.
- Zebra Moray.
- Whatever other tropical fish you can imagine.

Inevitably such a pack would cost more as it would include more content than we've currently been getting, but you certainly wouldn't need to bulk up the game with whale sharks, orca, and dolphins in order to do a Marine DLC.

 

[Indoraptor27]

Exactly. My ideal 'Marine DLC' would basically include:

- California Sea Lion.
- Southern Sea Otter.
- Some kind of penguin (hard to choose just one - I'm bias towards the Little Blue Penguin, but realistically I'd expect the Humboldt, Southern Rockhopper, or African/Black-Footed).
- Grey Seal.

Plust a new aquarium system which is functionally identical to the exhibit system with a few species:
- Common Octopus.
- Leafy Seadragon.
- Zebra Moray.
- Whatever other tropical fish you can imagine.

Inevitably such a pack would cost more as it would include more content than we've currently been getting, but you certainly wouldn't need to bulk up the game with whale sharks, orca, and dolphins in order to do a Marine DLC.

This list is perfect for a marine DLC. Unlike whales and dolphins, many zoos have sea lions, penguins, ect. Plus, aquariums with saltwater fish are not uncommon. I think this could appeal to both sides.

 

[NZFanatic]

This list is perfect for a marine DLC. Unlike whales and dolphins, many zoos have sea lions, penguins, ect. Plus, aquariums with saltwater fish are not uncommon. I think this could appeal to both sides.

I agree it's probably a good compromise, and it falls in line with what you can reasonably expect from a zoo.

 

[Tuky]

So you and Tuky and others might miss out on the big ticket show animals you want to see (the orca, the dolphins) but you might still get something, at least.

Sure, its true we may never get them, but I think its still important that Frontier sees there is a demand for those animals. So that even if they will never appear in Planet Zoo, they might be willing to put them in a Planet Zoo 2 (or maybe even do this idea of a separated new game, but I think, while of course not certain, PZ2 is alot more likley to happen than a Planet Aquaria)

I think this could appeal to both sides.

Oh, I would love these animals aswell, dont get me wrong. But my desire lies with the orcas. Believe me, I wish it wouldnt be so. But it is I am longing for a new modern zoo game with orcas for many years now and PZ is pretty much everything I hoped for. Just without the orcas, of course and because I love PZ so much, I would even be happier with orcas in my new favourite game. I know many play the game for the building or the management, but my reason to play is for the animals. So I would be thrilled to get to play with my favourite animal there aswell.
All I can do is hope, plead and beg Frontier will add them to PZ or maybe a future game at least (whichever that could be). Too bad I am not rich, I would totally pay Frontier to do it
I would also take some kind of wild orca simulator game, but they are often quite stressful to survive, so I would prefer a zoo game


Its of course easy to call something a "good compromise" when you dont have to compromise on anything
My compromise would of course look different.
For example they could make a standard Marine DLC version without cetaceans and a "special" version which would also contain the orca and the bottlenose dolphin (or another kind of dolphin, but this would be the most obvious choice). Or the other thing there would be a cetacean DLC separted from another Marine pack, with maybe 3-4 animals (my idea would be orca, dolphin, beluga and maybe a porpoise).
And yes, just like your compromise is in your favour, mine is totally in mine. I see this. Though of course from my point of view its the fairest as those of us who want them could have them and those of you who dont wouldnt be forced to get them aswell, just because you wanted a sea lion or something.. Instead of everyone having to miss out on them.
In that case I guess we are pretty much alike and want things to go how we would prefer it.

I mean I know the chances to get them are sadly rather low, though there is something I want to ask all of you who are totally against cetaceans in the game...
Should Frontier, against all odds, do indead add them, please dont hate and shame them for it. Please dont see his as some kind of evil, see it as it would be - that they made it to make players like me happy. Dont be mad, but be happy with us - just as I am happy for everyone who gets their favourite animal
Please try to see it from this pov at least, it probaly wont happen anyways, but if it does you dont have to agree with it, though remember that your wish against it is no more important than our wish for it.
So I may be missing out on my dream animal, but if you do get your favourites its the same kind of "fair" as the other way around. Of course I hope we will all see our favourite animals in the game☺

 

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[Kaan]

Although I regard the different game ideas positively, I always support it as a DLC.

I think this could appeal to both sides.

yes it can be attractive. but first we need to ask what both sides want.

Oh, I would love these animals aswell, dont get me wrong. But my desire lies with the orcas. Believe me, I wish it wouldnt be so. But it is I am longing for a new modern zoo game with orcas for many years now and PZ is pretty much everything I hoped for. Just without the orcas, of course and because I love PZ so much, I would even be happier with orcas in my new favourite game. I know many play the game for the building or the management, but my reason to play is for the animals. So I would be thrilled to get to play with my favourite animal there aswell.
All I can do is hope, plead and beg Frontier will add them to PZ or maybe a future game at least (whichever that could be). Too bad I am not rich, I would totally pay Frontier to do it
I would also take some kind of wild orca simulator game, but they are often quite stressful to survive, so I would prefer a zoo game


Its of course easy to call something a "good compromise" when you dont have to compromise on anything
My compromise would of course look different.
For example they could make a standard Marine DLC version without cetaceans and a "special" version which would also contain the orca and the bottlenose dolphin (or another kind of dolphin, but this would be the most obvious choice). Or the other thing there would be a cetacean DLC separted from another Marine pack, with maybe 3-4 animals (my idea would be orca, dolphin, beluga and maybe a porpoise).
And yes, just like your compromise is in your favour, mine is totally in mine. I see this. Though of course from my point of view its the fairest as those of us who want them could have them and those of you who dont wouldnt be forced to get them aswell, just because you wanted a sea lion or something.. Instead of everyone having to miss out on them.
In that case I guess we are pretty much alike and want things to go how we would prefer it.

I mean I know the chances to get them are sadly rather low, though there is something I want to ask all of you who are totally against cetaceans in the game...
Should Frontier, against all odds, do indead add them, please dont hate and shame them for it. Please dont see his as some kind of evil, see it as it would be - that they made it to make players like me happy. Dont be mad, but be happy with us - just as I am happy for everyone who gets their favourite animal
Please try to see it from this pov at least, it probaly wont happen anyways, but if it does you dont have to agree with it, though remember that your wish against it is no more important than our wish for it.
So I may be missing out on my dream animal, but if you do get your favourites its the same kind of "fair" as the other way around. Of course I hope we will all see our favourite animals in the game☺

Tuky, people don't understand...

 

[NZFanatic]

Should Frontier, against all odds, do indead add them, please dont hate and shame them for it. Please dont see his as some kind of evil, see it as it would be - that they made it to make players like me happy.

I get that you love orca or whatever and you want to see them in the game, that's fine, I'm not going to bother trying to make you understand the other side of the argument. In the same way that you ask us not to get upset if Frontier does include them, however, it's equally fair of us to ask you not to get upset if they don't.

I was bummed out that we didn't get the Arctic fox in the Arctic Pack, and instead got the Arctic wolf, but at least I can recognise that they probably had this in the works before the game even launched and it was too late to change anything. I was a little bummed out that we got the llama in the South America Pack instead of a capybara, or maned wolf, or even another monkey (there's no such thing as too many monkeys in a zoo), but I could at least understand their reasoning for including it, and again, no doubt they were already working on it before they had a clearer idea of what people wanted included. So in the same way, if, and it's a very big 'if', they ever include a Marine DLC, and there are no dolphins or orca or gigantic sharks, and instead we get sea lions, penguins, and aquarium fish, do you think you'll be able to shrug your shoulders and at least understand why they didn't include what you wanted? Will you be able to just move on from that, in the same way that most of us moved on from the Arctic fox and capybara?

 

[NL_Mutso]

Should Frontier, against all odds, do indead add them, please dont hate and shame them for it. Please dont see his as some kind of evil, see it as it would be - that they made it to make players like me happy. Dont be mad, but be happy with us - just as I am happy for everyone who gets their favourite animal

I get that you love orca or whatever and you want to see them in the game, that's fine, I'm not going to bother trying to make you understand the other side of the argument. In the same way that you ask us not to get upset if Frontier does include them, however, it's equally fair of us to ask you not to get upset if they don't.

While I think it's a extremely poor move to "attack" a dev for their choices, I do remember some 'pro-marine' people commenting if Frontier should confirm that they are excluding those animals - they will boycott/shame them and will actively protest against other "controversial" animals. While I think it's just a case of internet-bluffing, those comments were made. So I think it should apply to both sides of the argument, just accept that your personal preference isn't in the game. Even if the game is 90% good/perfect, just accept that 10% doesn't work for you ( I think that applied to every game I played )

I think if you hate/shame/protest/etc. a game dev because you disagree with them, you really need to get a life. It's just a game.

 

[NZFanatic]

I think if you hate/shame/protest/etc. a game dev because you disagree with them, you really need to get a life. It's just a game.

I would never 'shame' anyone but I would feel justified in expressing my disappointment. It's important to remember that this forum is not an echo chamber where ideas are presented without disagreement, and that goes for the devs and community managers as well. I'm sure they're all well aware of that, and it's not like they respond poorly to criticism. Criticism of a product is what forces it to improve. Look at the polar bear as a good example. Frontier felt justified in the initial ridiculous space requirement, the community responded negatively, and they halved it. It's still ridiculous but at least change was made due to community backlash, which is exactly how a business should function (it also got everyone to mostly stop talking about it, except in cases like this, because we were willing to accept that the halved amount, however large it still was, was the best we would ever get).

In any case it's a moot point, because currently there is zero indication any of this is going to happen.

 

[NL_Mutso]

Yeah, but there are big differences in expressing disappointment

A couple of weeks ago is saw 2 same requests on the same day for more info. 1 was more like: "I wish Frontier would communicate better on some issues", while the other "Frontier has the worst communication, they need to fix this asap" (a bit paraphrasing )
And even during the whole polar bear discussion some comments were too harsh. (at least try to be civilized about it)

I agree, there's zero indication at this point on this but also on any DLC/addition to this game.
But wishlists/suggestions are being looked at, we've seen multiple additions to the game.

 

[NZFanatic]

Yeah, but there are big differences in expressing disappointment

A couple of weeks ago is saw 2 same requests on the same day for more info. 1 was more like: "I wish Frontier would communicate better on some issues", while the other "Frontier has the worst communication, they need to fix this asap" (a bit paraphrasing )

To be honest, I'm not entirely sure what your point is with this statement. The former example is pretty reasonable. If you're talking about recent discussions, then currently we are in a bit of a dry-spell with regards to communication. The new guy, Jens, is commenting on things here and there but little of it is regarding bugs and errors the community has been posting about. I think it's fair that people are wondering what's up, as in the past the CM's have been pretty good at keeping us in the loop. The latter statement is absolutely poor form, because it's just flat-out wrong - Frontier has a record of being great at communication.

And even during the whole polar bear discussion some comments were too harsh. (at least try to be civilized about it)

Yes, they were at times, but they were also often impassioned. I think it gets a pass because the polar bear was highly-requested and a lot of people were disappointed with the way it was handled (even now it's essentially unusable in Franchise Mode - doesn't bother me because I don't play Franchise, but I have seen complaints about it).

I agree, there's zero indication at this point on this but also on any DLC/addition to this game.

Yes and no. While there's never a guarantee, we can at least make pretty solid guesses. Everyone knew the Arctic would come first (Christmas, winter, and so on), and everyone knew we would get South America pretty early on (since there were no South American animals in the base game). Australia is almost certainly next, or at least coming up very soon (I'd put money on it). We can also make pretty good guesses about future inclusions in terms of basic animals.

It's the more niche content that we can't even begin to consider. Birds, and marine animals. Both are completely up in the air. It's not a question of 'when' but 'if'.

 

[Kaan]

Frontier is a game company I love very much, but I find it inadequate in communication. If Frontier had made a clear statement, there would be no controversy right now. do not they see that people don't get along, and argue very hard? Probably, if they had no plans to add marine mammals to the game, they should have said so far. we also saw that they were eager to add polar bears to the game. So I have a little hope inside me. we don't see you as enemies. but without knowing what Frontier will do, I do not find the fairness of rhetoric such as "there should be no dolphins / whales in this game". You have given polar bears as an example. The game clearly encourages us to make polar bear enclosure that don't exist in real life right now. First of all, I have to say that I am not an expert on this subject. but I have seen in many videos that polar bears in the zoo show abnormal behavior. This includes the San Diego Zoo. One thing I find funny is that people think that polar bear is dancing. do zoos really inform people? I find it true that they should have more requirements than other bear species. Frontier's attitude on this matter is also strange. They cooperate with SD Zoo, but the space requirement of polar bears in the game is hardly found in any real-life zoo.

@NZFanatic, you find the space requirements of polar bears absurd. this is a matter of perception. Many people find the space requirements in the game absurd because they do not see huge polar bear enclosures in real life. I find the current space requirements correct. polar bears are also a favorite marine mammal, but their appearance in zoos is not pleasant.


I read in an article that there should be 8 thousand square meters of space for a polar bear. and the abnormal behaviors I see in the videos confirm this. but I never want polar bears to be removed after being added to this game. because Frontier did the right thing. I find the zoos insufficient in this regard. I say it over and over again, I do not find it right to have a killer whale in a water park environment. The most suitable place for them is zoos. As with polar bears, marine mammals can take part in this game. Frontier did not guarantee this, you are right about it. but just as the game encourages making polar bear enclosures that do not exist in real life, it can do the same for marine mammals. and in this way, I think the opposite conveys the message that water parks are not suitable for marine mammals. this is a solution. As I said before, there are many ways to add marine mammals in this game. as long as we try to find solutions and try to support the developers. I am not saying that it should come as soon as possible and I am not saying that this will be the next DLC right away. As NZFanatic says, there are a lot of animals we need to get. But I was waiting for an explanation from Frontier to stop the discussions. But if they said they would add sea mammals to this game, they would be in a difficult situation because people didn't know what the Frontier would do about marine animals. Probably the biggest reason why humans oppose dolphins / whales is that when Frontier adds dolphins or whales to this game, people think that Frontier supports water parks. but it will actually be the opposite. but if they had done a separate game they would probably be in a more difficult situation then. because a separate game fits the image of the water parks more. Therefore DLC.