Collective idea to make PvP better
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Players can be attacked by other players in private groups.
Make sure they know the rules (no pvp), now if only there was a pg group out there that offered this.
Make sure they know the rules (no pvp), now if only there was a pg group out there that offered this.
Player made rules still doesn't make it a pve server, especially if it can be infiltrated and have the rules broken. Why are you so against having dedicated pvp and pve servers?
Doesn't solve the combat loggers situation, even if there was pve mode, there would still be people logging in the pvp one.
In my defense I finished my last book yesterday and had nothing else to do except chilling in the garden, doing barbecues, drinking cold beer and posting on the forums ☺
I just stated one of the fundamental facts for a fair open game)
This is not a solution.
100% agree with this. The goal of creating a powerful, fast ship should not be the main one. Just as in life, many people have a car, but only some have the goal of making it a super car, so in galaxy ED, your ship should not be the only focus of attention.
You also need to give meaning to what is already in the game. I already wrote earlier about how two Empire pilots were quietly located in one of the Federal capitals (Rhea) and completely without hindrance destroyed the Federation vessels. In reality, the Minister of defense and the Minister of the interior would have lost their heads for this long ago.
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I'm not that fussed to be honest, if it happened I wouldn't cry about it but I do think it would take something away from the game.
That feeling of the unknown, is this person friend or foe!?
Can I trust them?
Should I fear them?
If I'm in a pvp only server it will always be the latter.
Pve, who cares? If they're not friendly they'll just go about their business.
To me that'll make space a little less interesting.
I've played on PVP servers in various games where players ignore each other and carry on with their business. I think they play on pvp servers for much the same reason, not necessarily to fight everyone they see, but just be tickled by the constant possibility of it. It would probably work the same way in Elite.
That might be a valid argument if anyone was proposing a system of having 40 pvp servers and 40 pve servers each for the US/EU/Pacific regions.
Players would actually be less fractured, since nobody would be playing in solo anymore. A bunch of the players stuck in increasingly deserted PGs would head into the PVE shard as well.
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People, please.
It's about making one game enjoyable both for the attacker and the defender. I believe it is possible in ED with a bit of effort and using current tools that game engine offers.
It's not about arguing, there are enough threads.
Game does not offer political dependencies and nuances, unfortunately.
Also, let's focus on making the combat better.
So far, beside my idea there is:
-git gud
-make 2 dedicated servers for PvE and PvP
So not much.
Is there anything wrong with what I presented in OP?
How would you do it better?
It's about making one game enjoyable both for the attacker and the defender. I believe it is possible in ED with a bit of effort and using current tools that game engine offers.
It's not about arguing, there are enough threads.
Game does not offer political dependencies and nuances, unfortunately.
Also, let's focus on making the combat better.
So far, beside my idea there is:
-git gud
-make 2 dedicated servers for PvE and PvP
So not much.
Is there anything wrong with what I presented in OP?
How would you do it better?
I might consider playing in a mode where there exists other players to interact (talk, co-op missions, etc.) with, but not if they can just attack me without my consent. Elite Dangerous is a rank, not a game state. Or so I read here somewhere a long time ago.
See, I'm not interested in being someone else's 'content' unless I wish to be. If someone wants to steal a players cargo, go find someone who wants to play your game. I'm not interested. Now if I meet someone and I'm interested in a little player-on-player action, there should be a specific area where we can go in a system to allow this. That's cool. We could even have completely lawless systems where anything goes. I'm OK with that as well.
Until such time as something like this exists, I'll stay in Mobius or Solo thanks.
See, I'm not interested in being someone else's 'content' unless I wish to be. If someone wants to steal a players cargo, go find someone who wants to play your game. I'm not interested. Now if I meet someone and I'm interested in a little player-on-player action, there should be a specific area where we can go in a system to allow this. That's cool. We could even have completely lawless systems where anything goes. I'm OK with that as well.
Until such time as something like this exists, I'll stay in Mobius or Solo thanks.
The fight is already normal. In combat, there is always the weak and the strong, the experienced and the novice, the majority and the minority. It is not the fight itself that needs to be changed, but its meaning and consequences.
I might consider playing in a mode where there exists other players to interact (talk, co-op missions, etc.) with, but not if they can just attack me without my consent. Elite Dangerous is a rank, not a game state. Or so I read here somewhere a long time ago.
See, I'm not interested in being someone else's 'content' unless I wish to be. If someone wants to steal a players cargo, go find someone who wants to play your game. I'm not interested. Now if I meet someone and I'm interested in a little player-on-player action, there should be a specific area where we can go in a system to allow this. That's cool. We could even have completely lawless systems where anything goes. I'm OK with that as well.
Until such time as something like this exists, I'll stay in Mobius or Solo thanks.
Interestingly, even when playing solo, the merchant player is a victim for the NPC pirate, just a weak NPC. If you create powerful NPCs, players in "solo" will get the same problems as in"open". So it's fun for me to read reviews of solo game fans.
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We need
One thing should be clear though: you can't stop a gank. Ever.
Give it meaningful consequences, make the ganker hunted.
But there should never be total security. We don't have that in real life either...
- less difference in builds, a PvP build shouldn't be umpteen gazillion times better then a vanilla ship (rebalance)
- a useful C&P with more consequences
- system security that has a meaning
- persistent ATR or other police actually policing
- anarchy giving meaningful advantages to notorious players and a reason to go there
- realtime bounty boards so players can actually hunt wanted players
- the same in anarchy to hunt lawfuls
- a removal of the bounty cap, money is so out of whack this is ridiculous anyways
One thing should be clear though: you can't stop a gank. Ever.
Give it meaningful consequences, make the ganker hunted.
But there should never be total security. We don't have that in real life either...
All for a PvE mode, but getting rid of solo would not be a great idea. Console players have to pay for online play. And some people just don't want to play with others at all so leave it in.
Fresh meat
It would also be interesting to make the FSD interception system more complex, as well as to counter such interceptions. It can be jamming modules, electronic warfare, which when going on a super cruise for a while created interference for FSD interceptors, but at the same time overloaded the power plant (for example).
Keep solo on console for sure. But keeping the options limited on PC would be the best method for herding people into the larger pools of players, ensuring as little fracturing as possible. Those on PC that want to remain solo or play with friends can still opt for private groups, so I don't see much need for solo on PC.
Yes, exactly!) You need to make all NPCs more difficult in "solo" mode, make them more powerful, more capable and experienced. Then the most important argument of solo players "I don't want to play with other live players" will not be violated, but they will not be in a more favorable position relative to open players.