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In better news - eating cheese may help fight Covid-19 - expect the supermarkets to run out of Stilton tomorrow!


Prove if ever it was needed that the Guardain is full of rubbish too!

We have had long index fingers making you low risk to being bald making you high risk.

If people take this rubbish seriously it is no wonder we are the best at dying from the corona virus
 
Truly disgusting stuff and I hope those involved are stripped or their badge and police pension.

Indeed I saw that on TV during lunchtime, absolutely disgusting, the man was not posing any kind of threat, he was shoved and the otehrs just passed by while he was bleeding out on the ground. A 75 year old man for fart's sake.

I wonder what kind of criteria (if any at all) is used on admissions to the police force, that kind of thing is extremely rare here in Portugal, last episode of non-warranted police brutality was during a football match more than 10 years ago and the officer involved was expelled from the force and went to court. There was also an episode of violence in a slum area where the usual divisionism professionals tried very hard to create a bogus racism incident out of it, but a resident video later proved that an individual started throwing stones at a police car that was passing by, then resisted arrest and their friends assaulted the police officers trying to arrest the individual who then had to use force to complete the arrest and to defend themselves..

Not saying all police officers here are spectacular, but general rule police here are courteous and people feel like they're there to help us and keep us safe. Hot heads and other kinds of people prone to violence or temper issues cannot be recruited as police officers.

On the other hand violent crime is also extremely rare here, so I can't really compare our reality with the US in terms of policing. I'm just glad that while Portugal has issues, and by the gods they are many, but our police sure ain't one of them.
 
Prove if ever it was needed that the Guardain is full of rubbish too!

We have had long index fingers making you low risk to being bald making you high risk.

If people take this rubbish seriously it is no wonder we are the best at dying from the corona virus

Here is the actual study: https://www.researchgate.net/profil...fiable-Prognostic-Risk-Factor-in-COVID-19.pdf

Can you provide some more in-depth criticism than "it is rubbish"? I am particularly interested in your counter-arguments regarding the following:

Dp-ucMGP levels were significantly higher in Covid-19 patients (1482 pmol/L, 95% CI, 1346 to 1633 pmol/L) compared to healthy controls (471 pmol/L, 95% CI, 434 to 511 pmol/L, mean fold change 3.15, 95% CI, 2.78 to 3.58, P<0.001, Fig. 3A), which remained significant after adjustments (P=0.001). Dp-ucMGP levels were significantly higher in Covid-19 patients with poor outcome (1998 pmol/L, 95% CI, 1737 to 2298 pmol/L) compared to those with good outcome (1163 pmol/L, 95% CI, 1027 to 1319, mean fold change 1.72, 95% CI, 1.42 to 2.07, P<0.001; Fig. 3A), and significance was maintained after adjustments (P=0.002).
 
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I wonder what kind of criteria (if any at all) is used on admissions to the police force, that kind of thing is extremely rare here in Portugal, last episode of non-warranted police brutality was during a football match more than 10 years ago and the officer involved was expelled from the force and went to court

A few years ago there was a legal case in the US with an applicant suing the police force for rejecting him for scoring too high on the IQ test. The force won the case, arguing that people who are too intelligent would be too interested in changing carreers, costing the government a lot in wasted training. The average duration of a cop's basic training (police academy) is only slightly more (+-15 weeks) than the training I underwent to become the lowest level call-center slave for the Dutch IRS.

In short: American cops have only a few weeks training so only an extremely rudimentary understanding of law, crowd control, gun safety. There is little to no attention for de-escalation or stress management. Candidates are specifically selected to be not too smart. They are then provided with extensive semi-military gear.

Youtube can show you the results.
 
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A few years ago there was a legal case in the US with an applicant suing the police force for rejecting him for scoring too high on the IQ test. The force won the case, arguing that people who are too intelligent would be too interested in changing carreers, costing the government a lot in wasted training. The average duration of a cop's basic training (police academy) is only slightly more (+-15 weeks) than the training I underwent to become the lowest level call-center slave for the Dutch IRS.

In short: American cops have only a few weeks training so only an extremely rudimentary understanding of law, crowd control, gun safety. There is little to no attention for de-escalation or stress management. Candidates are specifically selected to be not too smart. They are then provided with extensive semi-military gear.

Youtube can show you the results.

woot? :oops:

After passing the initial physical and aptitude tests, our officers then undergo 9 months of training which include not only physical / defence / weapons training but also law, first aid, ethics, communication, basic foreign languages, and basic psychology and communication techniques... And this is just to become a street cop, assuming they complete the training successfully. And we barely have any violent crime here...

The last time a criminal was shot dead during police intervention was in 2007, during an armed bank robbery with hostages, and even then was after many hours of munsuccessful negotiations, our Special Ops Police (our SWAT equivalent) finally raided the bank and shot one of the robbers after being fired upon.
 
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woot? :oops:

After passing the initial physical and aptitude tests, our officers then undergo 9 months of training which include not only physical / defence / weapons training but also law, first aid, ethics, communication, basic foreign languages, and basic psychology and communication techniques... And this is just to become a street cop, assuming they complete the training successfully. And we barely have any violent crime here...

The last time a criminal was shot dead during police intervention was in 2007, during an armed bank robbery with hostages, and even then was after many hours of munsuccessful negotiations, our Special Ops Police (our SWAT equivalent) finally raided the bank and shot one of the robbers after being fired upon.

To provide some sauce:
A Federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit by a man who was barred from the New London police force because he scored too high on an intelligence test.

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The duration of the training in the Police Academy varies for the different agencies. It usually takes about 13 to 19 weeks on average but can last up to six months.

In the Netherlands, the lowest rank of cop takes two years and four months of training and internship. The IQ test has, obviously, only a lower limit.
 
Prove if ever it was needed that the Guardain is full of rubbish too!
The Guardian has lots of biased stories. I was quite impressed recently when they took the lead in debunking a story that said anti-Hydroxychloroquine studies were garbage - as it went against their usual anti-Trump bias.

If a story in The Guardian can get me extra blue cheese than I'm all for it :)
 
My town made the front page of the BBC this morning: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52932611

75-year old man, trying to return a helmet he found, makes the wrong gesture and is shoved by police as they sweep the streets ahead of curfew. He falls, fractures his skull, and begins bleeding profusely from his ear as he convulses slightly. Police claim he tripped, until it becomes clear that there are multiple videos of the event. Supposedly he's in stable condition.
Oh boy - and now the whole team has resigned in support of the officers involved. This is ... not right

 
The Guardian has lots of biased stories. I was quite impressed recently when they took the lead in debunking a story that said anti-Hydroxychloroquine studies were garbage - as it went against their usual anti-Trump bias.

If a story in The Guardian can get me extra blue cheese than I'm all for it :)

I don't think there is any press nowadays (or ever) that is not biased, especially if politics are even remotely involved. That's why we can never trust anything unless it is also confirmed by other sources from different interest groups.
 
I don't think there is any press nowadays (or ever) that is not biased, especially if politics are even remotely involved. That's why we can never trust anything unless it is also confirmed by other sources from different interest groups.
Quite right - the first step is to realise all news sources have a viewpoint. This is where extremists fall down as they believe that one source is correct and another false - they all have their own motivations, and all must be questioned.

But as I said - as long as The Guardian is promoting Blue Cheese it is all good. If Infowars started promoting blue cheese I might give them more air time*

* no I probably wouldn't
 
I don't think there is any press nowadays (or ever) that is not biased, especially if politics are even remotely involved. That's why we can never trust anything unless it is also confirmed by other sources from different interest groups.

The Guardian has lots of biased stories. I was quite impressed recently when they took the lead in debunking a story that said anti-Hydroxychloroquine studies were garbage - as it went against their usual anti-Trump bias.

If a story in The Guardian can get me extra blue cheese than I'm all for it :)

They reported the findings of a journal and its later retraction (after doing its own independent investigative journalism) and in this 'cheese story' merely present the findings of another scientific study. Philosophical discussions about true unbias aside, more often than not when people complain about such articles being biased they mean "I dont like what I am reading." rather than "I have meaningful arguments against either the study or how the results are presented in the article."

If anyone in this topic is able to come up with meaninful arguments against the study I linked above I'd love to hear it. :)
 
I'm still here. Not on fire. No TV's missing, no property stolen.

Probably don't have much to worry about, personally, with regard to these things, unless you live in the inner city.

I can neither see the smoke nor hear the sirens from my modest property in my quiet suburban neighborhood, and it would be all too easy for me to keep these problems out of mind--if I ignored my own past, my family history, and what my friends and family across the country are facing right now--until the next time I have to deal with police wondering what I'm doing here.

same with many of the protesters though.

Whataboutist arguments of relative privation aren't helping to put things in perspective.

On one side we have police, who are sworn to protect and serve their communities, and to uphold the law; who have vast sums of public money allocated to them; who are given extreme power over civilians; who benefit from preferential legal treatment in almost any conceivable scenario; whose words are still taken at face value, excepting those cases where blatant proof exists to the contrary; who, no matter how monstrous, can generally rely upon the other members of their organizations to protect them against all comers.

On the other side, we have the people, who are extorted to pay for the above, but who won't see anywhere near equal protection, or often any protection, under the law.

Even if people were trying to excuse wanton property damage, theft, and unprovoked assaults, which is by and large not the case, holding these individuals to the same standards of conduct as police would be comical.

Indeed I saw that on TV during lunchtime, absolutely disgusting, the man was not posing any kind of threat, he was shoved and the otehrs just passed by while he was bleeding out on the ground. A 75 year old man for fart's sake.

Two of the officers involved were suspended, without pay, once video of the event surfaced, and will probably face charges. However, if that event hadn't been clearly caught on video, it's unlikely that it ever would have been anything other than an 'accident'.

See, that's the problem here; it's not a few bad apples, it's an entire system of bad apples that shield and enable the worst of them. Unless the evidence is so overwhelming that it cannot be dismissed, and the victim acceptable enough to society that the victimization cannot be downplayed or justified, there are rarely any consequences for police victimizing those they are supposed to be helping. Fifty police witnesses, sworn to protect and serve, and the odds of even one of them speaking up? Probably next to nil. The real crime here is the passivity and negligence.

This is an exemplar of the sort of stuff I'm referring to:

If you are ordered to do something counter to your oaths, you have a duty to refuse those orders. If you witness another officer shirking their duty, you have a duty to report them if not to stop them. That's pretty much the low bar for being a 'good cop'. There are more police who would protest the punishment of these officers than give an honest account of what they saw, and more still who will just look the other way.

That said, I'm not going to blame them for leaving the man to trained medics...that was probably the sole rational and compassionate part of their response.

I wonder what kind of criteria (if any at all) is used on admissions to the police force

If you have no felony record (and if you have any sort of privilege, being charged with a felony is pretty hard) and can pass a modest physical fitness test, that's usually good enough for most PDs. You also have to be a team player, which is why 'good cops', outside of the small and disconnected localities, are unicorns.

Positions of authority attract bullies; without real standards and oversight, that's who is going to fill them. Once these sorts of cultures become entrenched in these positions, it's time to start over.

Makes you wonder how many people the police see trip and fall near them.

See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

If anyone in this topic is able to come up with meaninful arguments against the study I linked above I'd love to hear it. :)

The study seems fine, from a quick skim. Turning a study about vitamin K deficiency into an article about cheese is kinda strange though.
 
Im struggling to get my head round this one.

Maybe this diagram will help:
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Im struggling to get my head round this one.
What are you struggling to get your head round?
That police forces around the world have people within there ranks that have taken the job because they like having the power to control others and that many of their peers will support them even if they don't agree with their methods because the force is basically a cult?
 

Im struggling to get my head round this one.

Step 1) Commit senseless violence against unarmed elderly citizen
Step 2) Deny senseless violence against unarmed elderly citizen
Step 3) Get confronted with video-recordings of you committing senseless violence against unarmed elderly citizen
Step 4) Get fired because you committed senseless violence against unarmed elderly citizen

So obnviously if you are a terrible human being and colleague of these criminals you resign in solidarity. It is not that hard to understand: to these people senseless violence against unarmed elderly citizens is not a bad thing. Period. Hence the protests. Which causes them to commit more brutal senseless crimes against unarmed citizens because they cannot. understand. the. problem.
 

Im struggling to get my head round this one.
It's tribalism. In a country where the fires of divisions have been stoked high. The fish rots from the head.
 
Went to the bank. Got a haircut. Each one is a whole story now.
Different world now, a much worse one. .

75-year old man, trying to return a helmet he found, makes the wrong gesture and is shoved by police as they sweep the streets ahead of curfew. He falls, fractures his skull, and begins bleeding profusely from his ear as he convulses slightly. Police claim he tripped, until it becomes clear that there are multiple videos of the event. Supposedly he's in stable condition.

Saw the footage.
Basal skull fracture. Clear as day. That's what you get assuming the police are on your side and deserve your assistance.

They are not, and they do not. Not anymore.
Refraining from further comment. I just hope the victim recovers fully.
 
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These days, we have to look with suspicion at studies.

Importantly, these viral isolates show significant variation in cytopathic effects and viral load, up to 270-fold differences, when infecting Vero-E6 cells. We observed intrapersonal variation and 6 different mutations in the spike glycoprotein (S protein), including 2 different SNVs that led to the same missense mutation. Therefore, we provide direct evidence that the SARS-CoV-2 has acquired mutations capable of substantially changing its pathogenicity.

It might be theoretically possible to isolate a strain of low pathogenicity, and expose the young low risk population to it to raise herd immunity, in lieu of a vaccine.

The risk is that the infection might spontaneously mutate to a dangerous strain.
 
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