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Yes, I read today :
The hydroxychloroquine is "useless" against the Coronavirus, says major clinical trial.
“It is not a treatment for COVID. It doesn't work, ”said Martin Landray, professor at the University of Oxford and co-director of the RECOVERY study.
On one side we have the VAST majority of police doing a VERY difficult job, often puttng their lives on the lines MORE than the army in times of peace, yet all tarred with the same brush of the actions of a minority.
Shall I judge the majority of peaceful blacks by the actions of those rioting? Because a LOT more were rioting than there are dodgy cops. Judging any group by the actions of a minority is flat out wrong on ALL counts.
So by your last statement black rioters are allowed to misbehave purely on the basis Police are supposed to behave better, how about basic humanity? Basic right and wrong, no training needed for that. Should whites in the UK riot over Rochdale now? How many blacks stand shoulder to shoulder with whites when whites have a problem? How many whites are standing shoulder to shoulder with black on this matter? (seems a hell of a lot are) The vast majority of whites ARE appalled by what happened, I just wish the anti white rhetoric would stop, but hey what do I know apparently I'm a fascist according to many people on the net because I speak out against the rioting and protesting during a PANDEMIC that is killing more blacks. Lunacy.
Also yanks should look at the WORLD when it comes to the increased chance of death by Covid 19, in the UK it's hit BAME Doctors and nurses at the SAME higer rate...socio economic reasons are not why blacks are more affected that is stupid science.
Thing is politically I'm scared as "mob violence" is clearly a tool that is allowed for some to push for change....that's NEVER a good thing.
Now that the ban has been removed, here we go again
:To write A.C.A.B. is not political?right?
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Regarding the theme of the thread, all good for the Canary Islands, on Friday tribute was paid to the 161 victims in all the islands, in Gran Canaria it hit softly, we are in the last phase of de-escalation.
A week before and we would all be infected by the carnival, including myself, we were very lucky here, the neighboring island, Tenerife, not so much.
As an anecdote, today I have gone to weigh and I have realized that I have lost almost 10 kgs. And I have also taken color on my roof !!
I followed a youtuber program (Jeff Cavaliere) to keep my mind and body busy, after I had said that I argued/discussed with the only person I saw / visited during the quarantine.
Every cloud has a silver lining.
The bad part:
I still have not been able to find a job or deposit money for 3 months, the bills are accumulating (thanks to the fact that during the quarantine, it was illegal to cut the supply) the aid that the government offered, recently they started to pay them but I no longer wait them, I have the hope that by the end of this month, the arrival of tourism may offer me some opportunity.
A week before and we would all be infected by the carnival, including myself, we were very lucky here, the neighboring island, Tenerife, not so much.
As an anecdote, today I have gone to weigh and I have realized that I have lost almost 10 kgs. And I have also taken color on my roof !!
I followed a youtuber program (Jeff Cavaliere) to keep my mind and body busy, after I had said that I argued/discussed with the only person I saw / visited during the quarantine.
Every cloud has a silver lining.
The bad part:
I still have not been able to find a job or deposit money for 3 months, the bills are accumulating (thanks to the fact that during the quarantine, it was illegal to cut the supply) the aid that the government offered, recently they started to pay them but I no longer wait them, I have the hope that by the end of this month, the arrival of tourism may offer me some opportunity.
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Still alive.
What would make this easier than developing a vaccine, or even distinguish this from a live/attenuated vaccine?
Good thing there are plenty of other ways to get vitamin K.
The vast majority of police aren't diligently holding their fellow officers accountable. It's this silence or complicity is at the heart of current problems.
No, my statement didn't imply anything of the sort, nor did I distinguish between the race of rioters. I was pointing out that police have responsibilities and duties that civilians do not, and have to be held to higher standards. Being a sworn officer of the peace means that one's crimes are compounded by dereliction of duty and forsaking one's oaths.
SOOOO many reversals. Makes your head spin, if you didn't know basic biology and physics, or how filters work. In which case, you are wearing a mask all along.
Well it wouldn't have to be developed at all, since it already exists. That's much easier.
Infect a single cell with a copy, introduce it to a cell colony, and you have a virus factory.
Large volumes could be produced quite rapidly by natural means in hours. Extract a drop, introduce it to a dilution volume of distilled water and you have thousands of doses that can be nasally sprayed in, which we could make in your kitchen, and deliver with an oldtimey perfume atomizer. It would be fast but lack quality control, and pose the hazard of possibly including dangerous strains.
It's indistinguishable from a live "vaccine" since it is live, and it is functioning as a vaccine. But it's not manmade, cannot be patented and there's no money to be made commercially since nobody owns natural RNA.
It isn't attenuated, since we didn't process it in any way- it is a natural strain.
That still doesn't address basic human behaviour which is in poor supply by LOT's of people, at the end of the day police are human just the same as everyone else thus fallible. I agree it is worse when the police fail, but at least there is some accountability and change, whereas in the other direction there's very little accountibility and very little if any change...maybe the problem is more complicated than just the police?
The majority of police fullfill their responsibilities and more, many go above and beyond what is humanly acceptable, if you watch TV shows about the police and you see what they have to do and the often apalling abuse they suffer from those they are attempting to control and arrest.......well I'd say police do a lot better job at controlling themselves than the general population do.
Going back to your stats that blacks are more likely to be shot by police per % of population, yet you fail to mention close to 50% of homicides are commited by blacks. You can't take either stat at face value, yet one is and the other is not...why is that? Statistically more whites are killed by non whites than other races.......why is that? Stats can mean one thing or another to prove someones prejudice. No-one protests like this when whites are killed (and LOT's are).
When you have racial problems neither side is completely guilty and neither side is completely innocent. Ironically too many are treating racial problems as black or white, and if your'e not on one side or the other you are guilty by association.
And of course notwithstanding the fact that during a pandemic ANY mass gatherings is a very Very VERY stupid thing to do and sadly says a lot about the intellgence of those protesting. Because Covid 19 has killed more in the US in a few months than decades of racially motivated killings. It IS the more pressing and serious threat to EVERYONE.
I am very worried for the future.
Lol, I also make up stats as I go along and base my opinion on propaganda.
Anyway, we had centuries to deal with this, and even a few months ago we argued "we understand your concern but a sports game is not the right time to protest." Oops, maybe we should have listened then. Angry old white dudes yelling "now is not the time!", "bOtH sIdEs!" and whataboutismss frankly lost their moral high horse ages ago. Consequences for a lifetime of indifference.
Because there is far more of them, Einstein.
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Tell me more
Source: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=571616860410295
See those last videos,the way in which they attack 2 surrendered boys who do not pose any danger and how they destroy their car, demonstrates an attitude of real thugs, I would say even terrorist, since what they really cause is true terror.
Head over to YT sometime... now there are so many videos of police brutality from the recent protests, it is hard to find old videos, and there are hundreds of them, your police have serious behavior problems.
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Whilst protesting sytemic injusticies is a more worthy cause than queueing for a steak bake, in terms of virus spreading opportunity I don't think the two things are comparable in terms of numbers and proximity with regard to virus spreading opportunities.
One is a line of peole queuing with distancing the other is more of a very shouty mob (constantly blasting any virus they may have into the air around them) that invariably ends up in a confrontation with police where social distancing goes out the window for all concerned for long periods of time. They aren't even remotely comparable.
A more apt comparison would be mobbed beaches but even that (which I think is a bad idea at the moment) is still less risky than mobs protesting.
A minor but interesting note:
In several rulings (I think the first might have been Warren. v District of Columbia in 1981?), it has been upheld that in the US, police aren't legally required to protect a person from harm, not even immediate danger from another person.
Are you seriously trying to compare a protest that kicks off with Greggs? Has there been some Greggs incident recently that turned into a huge confrontation with the Police? If so then clearly people shouldn't be dong that either at the moment.
Is there an ongoing series of Greggs based incidents involving confrontations with the Police and thousands of people all over the country?
Regrettably not for a few months now..
You're implying that this is some sort of binary choice.
The whole ´now is not the time!´ argument would have been legit if it hadn´t been what we said every other time before, too.
Not during this sports game!, Not during that event!, not wherever or whenever it slightly annoys or inconveniences me!. We´ve had decades of very convenient times to deal with it and we could never be bothered. So inconvenient times it is. Maybe the next generation will learn from this and won´t take the lazy and indifferent approach over and over and over until it blows up into their own faces.I will agree that those reasons previously - in light of what's become more obvious recently to people with no first hand experence - may have been said out of ignorance and/or disinterested selfishness.
I have definitely said All lives matter in previous times - I wouldn't at the moment as it would be a bit like turning up at a random funeral and chastising the mourners with a "Other people have died this week as well you know!" Even though clearly all lives do matter now is not the time to be saying it. Some of the black lives matter peeps have said themselves what they really mean is blacklivesmatter (as well) or (too) - it's just the wrong time to be throwing that back at people right now.
In the same way I have also said the politics should be kept of of sport regarding the knee thing a few years back - again I wouldn't say that now. But of course there is no publicly attended sport at the moment because of the pandemic.
But the above doesn't change the validity/legitimacy of the argument now against huge adversarial outdoor gatherings right now in the midst of a pandemic which we are in theory at least starting to get under control.
To bring it back to COVID19, I made a rough & dirty graph showing how the top-10 countries (defined as deaths per million capita, excluding mini-states) do when you take into account population density. The lower the score the better. Obviously the usual caveats apply but it does make it a bit more easier to see just how badly the 'whatevs' approach of Sweden has done. It also shows that the USA is doing far worse than you'd expect with regards to population density, that Spain has been hit quite severely and that the UK, Netherlands and Belgium are not doing all that bad from this perspective. Countrries are ranked bottom to top from highest casualties per capita to lowest.
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