General / Off-Topic The safest place

[ianw]

To bring it back to COVID19, I made a rough & dirty graph showing how the top-10 countries (defines as deaths per million capital, excluding mini-states) do when you take into account population density. The lower the score the better. Obviously the usual caveats apply but it does make it a bit more easier to see just how badly the 'whatevs' approach of Sweden has done. It also shows that the USA is doing far worse than you'd expect with regards to population density, that Spain has been hit quite severely and that the UK, Netherlands and Belgium are not doing all that bad from this perspective. Countrries are ranked bottom to top from highest casualties per capital to lowest.

That's interesting, how did Brazil's figures factor in?

It seems they've taken down the running total from their stats now.

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[Ian Skippy]

That's interesting, how did Brazil's figures factor in?

It seems they've taken down the running total from their stats now.

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Brasil would have scored a solid third place with a 6.8 score. Of course all these stats fail to take into account distribution spread, or variation in within-country population density. What the optimal spread and variation thereof would be is a bit hard to say without spending more time then I am willing on it.

 

[Leper Messiah]

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See those last videos,the way in which they attack 2 surrendered boys who do not pose any danger and how they destroy their car, demonstrates an attitude of real thugs, I would say even terrorist, since what they really cause is true terror.


Head over to YT sometime... now there are so many videos of police brutality from the recent protests, it is hard to find old videos, and there are hundreds of them, your police have serious behavior problems.

Do you want me to find all the vids and reports of police in the USA saving people and doing good? We can play this stupid game forever, if you want to judge a whole group of people on the actions of a minority then so be it, but I've been taught ALL my life that people who do that are bigots and prejudiced.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Funny how some are so concerned with mass gatherings when for a few weeks now there has been a rush to reopen sectors of the economy and public life even when experts were cautioning on a gradual slowing of the restrictions.

I happen to believe its a massive risk but if given the choice between protesting systemic injustices and getting the virus or catching it standing in line for a steak bake I know which one I'd prefer.

I'm concerened about ALL of it, don't you dare judge me with your incorrect asumptions. I'm as dismayed by the PRATS on the beaches as I am by the PRATS protesting.

I saw pictures of protests against the Rotherham abuse of girls and the SYSTEMIC injustices for those THOUSANDS of innocent WHITE girls and you know what, couldn't see many blacks at all.....why is that? The political and legal system FAILED those girls for decades. I just want true equality, when everyone is treated the same, not some minorities cherry picked for the bleeding hearts to sate their guilt about being "white".

 

[Leper Messiah]

one more thing, during the "austerity" of the ConDems of Cameron and Clegg the sick and disabled in the UK were treated APPALLINGLY....I was one of those forced to do things that my disability directly affected and I had to endure several tribunals to get the support I needed.......others weren't so lucky and loads died.....where were these bleeding heart Liberals who are now standing shoulder to shoulder of the BLM movement back then.......nowhere.

So I am VERY peeved with Liberals who pick and choose who to support and ignore everyone else, equality my hairy crack. Hypocrits.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Yup not touching this one at all.

Good job too I'm SICK of the white privilege crap from middle class Lib dem voting * who have NO idea of the crap life I've had and my parents and my grandparents before that.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Now who's making assumptions.

I dunno has your family been below the poverty line for generations? Mine has but apparently I'm "privileged".....bovine excrement.

 

[Ian Phillips]

Can we have a calm(er) discussion please.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Sorry Ian I am still upset about the total lack of support the sick and disabled got....it hurts a LOT. I genuinley feel that people do not care.

 

[askavir]

Funny how some are so concerned with mass gatherings when for a few weeks now there has been a rush to reopen sectors of the economy and public life even when experts were cautioning on a gradual slowing of the restrictions.

That is true, but I also bet that among the people on mass gatherings in the streets right now are many who a couple weeks ago were chanting "please don't kill my granny" or "respect the health professionals" slogans against those who were then roaming the streets. Which shows that in general we humans are a bunch of hypocrates, always ready to point fingers at others while having very fragile glass roofs.

 

[Han_Zen]

Good job too I'm SICK of the white privilege crap from middle class Lib dem voting * who have NO idea of the crap life I've had and my parents and my grandparents before that.

‘White privelege’ is a stupid slogan. It just alienates people and makes some forms of racism, ‘less bad’.
In Europe we have long traditions of racism against people of all colours.
Jews, Sami, Finns, Gypsies, Catholics in protestant regions, protestants in catholic regions, east Europeans in western Europe and of course all kinds of third world imigants.

It’s not more than 25 years ago that Yugoslavia was devided by a huge race war.

Being ‘white’ has never saved you from racism on this continent.

 

[Han_Zen]

Yes Europe were big fans of ethnic and religious bigotry long before America was thought of.

We mastered this long before anyone had seen a non white person. It really is basic tribalism. Find someone a bit different and you have a reason to abuse and exploit them, without feeling bad about it.

 

[askavir]

‘White privelege’ is a stupid slogan. It just alienates people and makes some forms of racism, ‘less bad’.
In Europe we have long traditions of racism against people of all colours.
Jews, Sami, Finns, Gypsies, Catholics in protestant regions, protestants in catholic regions, east Europeans in western Europe and of course all kinds of third world imigants.

It’s not more than 25 years ago that Yugoslavia was devided by a huge race war.

Being ‘white’ has never saved you from racism on this continent.

Unfortunately racism (and other forms of discrimination) has existed all across the world for a very long time, and it is still far from over. Just look at the recent ethnic cleansings in middle east, or a just a few decades ago the mass genocides in Rwanda and East Timor.

The west is, even with it's faults, the region of the world where the greatest advances to fight racism and discrimination were made by far, when compared with most of the rest of the world, and sometimes it also irks me a bit this modern tendency to make the westerners in general, and western whites in particular, the big bad boys of world racism.

That being said, while racism still exists, there is still work to be done. But I fear that the divisionist approach where we tend to fight discrimination by constantly grouping people in to little boxes "the black community", "the gay community", "the white priviledge" etc, ends up doing almost as harm as good, and it also reduces people to a single one-dimensional trait that should not even matter (there is a reason why we never talk about the blonde community, or the left-handed community - because none of that matters - neither does skin color).

Successful integration will never be accomplished by carving divides and constantly putting people into groups. This only stirs people against one another. There should only be one community, the "people community". While we keep talking about people as "the black people" or "the white people" or "the gay people" or "the gipsy people" etc, we will never be one people.

 

[WhiteHaulerMan]

I would say at least in the UK that the government bears a lot of responsibility with the mixed messaging and attempts on its part to deflect attention away from pound shop Rasputins trip to Barnard Castle for his eye exam.

Of course, how stupid of me to not understand how its the Tories fault somehow.

Pathetic.

 

[askavir]

I would say at least in the UK that the government bears a lot of responsibility with the mixed messaging and attempts on its part to deflect attention away from pound shop Rasputins trip to Barnard Castle for his eye exam.

Had we still been in lockdown I doubt you would have had those people on the streets this weekend so if im going to blame anyone its the government and not those out there.

Well in truth I think all are to blame, everyone is reponsible for what each one does, and everyone knows what's happening. But yes the goverments should have much higher standards.

All I know is that the virus does not discriminate. It doesn't care one iota about blacks, whites, straights, gays, males, females, transgenders, thins, fats, rich or poor. It doesn't care about abusing cops, social injustices, or any single one of our humanity issues. It will strike just the same. In that regard, we as a species could actually learn from it.

 

[WhiteHaulerMan]

Indeed they are.

Not quite as pathetic as someone scrabbling around trying to find a reason to blame them for rioting caused by events that happened 7,000 miles away, which they have zero connection to.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

‘White privelege’ is a stupid slogan. It just alienates people and makes some forms of racism, ‘less bad’.
In Europe we have long traditions of racism against people of all colours.
Jews, Sami, Finns, Gypsies, Catholics in protestant regions, protestants in catholic regions, east Europeans in western Europe and of course all kinds of third world imigants.

It’s not more than 25 years ago that Yugoslavia was devided by a huge race war.

Being ‘white’ has never saved you from racism on this continent.

Many of those refugees moved here, to St. Louis.

 

[Ian Skippy]

As a matter of fact yes many of my family would be considered below the poverty line including myself. I home care for my mother who is unable to leave the house so I've had to contend with the benefits system for not only myself but also my mother.

Are we done now?

His entire "white privilege doesnt exist, I am white and my life sucks!" rhetoric is just plain silly anyway. Being white comes with privilege in the western world, without any doubt. As does having all four limbs, being of sound mind, being born to wealthy parents, or just plain being born in the western world to begin with. All of these increase the odds of a prosperous life, none guarantee it.

Leper Messiah demonstrates exactly what is wrong with these debates, and that is that many simply do not understand what the words mean. White privilege doesnt mean every caucasian is living the dream or having it easy. Institutional racism doesnt mean every caucasian citizen is (intentionally or at all) racist. Black Lives Matter doesn't mean caucasian lives do not matter.

Simply put: being born with two functioning eyes comes with privilege. It doesn't mean that if you are born with two functioning eyes your car won't break down. If your car does breaks down I'll sympathize with your plight, but that doesn't mean I won't advocate for guiding dogs for the blind. Blind lives matter. Being able to see and your car breaking down are unrelated. You were lucky with one, and unlucky with the other. Taking care of blind people is in no way an attack or insult towards those who are not blind, nor does it mean I'll deny you the rights to a towing truck to deal with your car.

It really shouldnt be that hard, but some people are in permanent defense mode when it comes to these issues.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

‘White privelege’ is a stupid slogan. It just alienates people and makes some forms of racism, ‘less bad’.
In Europe we have long traditions of racism against people of all colours.
Jews, Sami, Finns, Gypsies, Catholics in protestant regions, protestants in catholic regions, east Europeans in western Europe and of course all kinds of third world imigants.

It’s not more than 25 years ago that Yugoslavia was devided by a huge race war.

Being ‘white’ has never saved you from racism on this continent.

Oh you don't even need to be of a different race, religion or culture to be targeted, here is the sad story of the untouchable.

 

[[VR] optimal_909]

His entire "white privilege doesnt exist, I am white and my life sucks!" rhetoric is just plain silly anyway. Being white comes with privilege in the western world, without any doubt. As does having all four limbs, being of sound mind, being born to wealthy parents, or just plain being born in the western world to begin with. All of these increase the odds of a prosperous life, none guarantee it.

Leper Messiah demonstrates exactly what is wrong with these debates, and that is that many simply do not understand what the words mean. White privilege doesnt mean every caucasian is living the dream or having it easy. Institutional racism doesnt mean every caucasian citizen is (intentionally or at all) racist. Black Lives Matter doesn't mean caucasian lives do not matter.

Simply put: being born with two functioning eyes comes with privilege. It doesn't mean that if you are born with two functioning eyes your car won't break down. If your car does breaks down I'll sympathize with your plight, but that doesn't mean I won't advocate for guiding dogs for the blind. Blind lives matter. Being able to see and your car breaking down are unrelated. You were lucky with one, and unlucky with the other. Taking care of blind people is in no way an attack or insult towards those who are not blind, nor does it mean I'll deny you the rights to a towing truck to deal with your car.

It really shouldnt be that hard, but some people are in permanent defense mode when it comes to these issues.

Being at home does come with a privilege, wow, how sensitive the Western world has become. While the Western world owes a lot to the rest of the world in many ways, being of different race or culture, it is still by far the easiest in the West. Try your luck in Japan as an immigrant... or why the rich Gulf states are not welcoming Syrian migrants?
It would be also nice if people that spam hashtags would remember the nameless George Floyds in Xinjiang as well, as well as remember the genocide that happened in Burma - just to name a few recent events.