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[Leper Messiah]

The issue is that what started as a legitimate protest for legitimate causes, racial discrimination and police brutality in the US, is now being instrumentalized all over the west by extremist parties and organizations that thrive on hatred and divisionism to grow their influence. Add that to the mostly cowardly european leaders who are always afraid of upsetting anyone (m'uh votes) and you have a situation spiraling out of control and that won't end well.

It's ridiculous, EVERYONE benefits from the Police being controlled and free from corruption/halfwits why is it a black/white thing?

 

[askavir]

The brain is absolutely vastly more adaptable in the first few years versus the adult brain.

That's why the new generations of children are our best hope to make new leaps towards ending discrimination. The fact most now grow up surrounded by other children of different ethicities will help setting the idea that "we are all just people" right from the start.

 

[Patrick_68000]

Why do you think I'm a dog?

Because you are a part of the Elite community on the forums, and we are constantly in demand of information, and bones.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Where are you getting this white hatred idea from?

um have you seen the signs being held up by a lot. not all but it is a lot, the way it's only statues of white people associated with slavery that are being targetted (and some unconnected but hey they're white so must be guilty right?). Racist anti white stuff daubed in graffiti on statues war memorials...I mean those memorials are for those who amongst other things help defeat the Nazis AND is for all the non white soldiers who fought for Britain. Just what on earth is wrong with the protestors?

Saw a sign that said "The UK invented racism" for gawds sakes.

 

[Synkreto]

That's why the new generations of children are our best hope to make new leaps towards ending discrimination. The fact most now grow up surrounded by other children of different ethicities will help setting the idea that "we are all just people" right from the start.

Interestingly, in the article Robin linked above, it is mentioned that actual "rewiring" the brain can and does happen :

Through exposure to new stimuli, new synaptic connections can be formed, creating neural pathways that can promote a restructuring of old and rigid belief systems.

But the article is also really clear in one other thing : people who strongly react to stimuli may not be able to help themselves otherwise . So, if understood the way I do it, the whole "hatred" thing may have to be rethought...as the article says :

Brain imaging studies

have shown that people who display an implicit bias have a stronger electrical response to black or other-race faces in an area of the brain known as the amygdala—a structure responsible for processing emotional stimuli and eliciting a fearful or anxious mental state. An exaggerated amygdala response is part of what creates the sudden visceral or “gut feeling” of being scared. And that feeling of fear has additional psychological effects that promote prejudice. It is well-established that when one feels their welfare is being threatened, they tend to become more tribal in their behavior, and additionally bolster their cultural or national worldviews, since it is those worldviews that make them feel safe. In essence, nationalism and prejudice are knee-jerk responses to anxiety.

Fortunately, that isn’t the whole neuroscience story. In people with healthy functioning brains, the fast amygdala response activates a region of the brain known as the prefrontal cortex, which is slower and plays a regulatory role. When the fear system is triggered, prefrontral areas work to assess the situation rationally, and calm the pesky automatic system. Thanks to specific regions like the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex, and the anterior cingulate cortex, the brain exercises cognitive control, suppressing inappropriate or prejudice judgments and behavior.

The problem is, not everyone has a healthy functioning prefrontal cortex, and these people are the ones whose biases control them. They cannot reason those fearful surges away because they lack the cognitive mechanisms that normally allow people to do so.

SO, to be fair : maybe adressing racism amongst whites may JUST AS WELL have to be linked to their feelings . To understand how it is people do react with anxiety, or get the "feeling their welfare is being threatened" . Or at least the understanding of, for whatever reason, people actually get an anxiety response triggered, and may not be able to control that/help themselves .

Interesting ?

 

[Patrick_68000]

The brain is absolutely vastly more adaptable in the first few years versus the adult brain.

Like the rest of the body probably.

 

[Ian Skippy]

um have you seen the signs being held up by a lot. not all but it is a lot, the way it's only statues of white people associated with slavery that are being targetted (and some unconnected but hey they're white so must be guilty right?). Racist anti white stuff daubed in graffiti on statues war memorials...I mean those memorials are for those who amongst other things help defeat the Nazis AND is for all the non white soldiers who fought for Britain. Just what on earth is wrong with the protestors?

You live in the west. In the west until this very day caucasians were in control. Which means that slavery was pretty much the privilige of white people around here. People in the west are free to voice their opinion, and some use that to express their disaproval of these racist practices. But I love how you somehow can look at that and turn it into:

"Old white dude feeling sorry for himself, angry about black people and young folks."

Thoughts and prayers.

Saw a sign that said "The UK invented racism" for gawds sakes.

Oh noes, you saw a sign that you didn't agree with. My God, how will we ever recover from this! Surely nobody has ever experienced the horrors and hardships of seeing a sign you didn't agree with. I cannot begin to imagine how that must have felt!

Oh well. It is friday night for me, so anyone who wants additional sympathy for their hardships will have to wait till tomorrow.

 

[Synkreto]

Ian, maybe some reading up is in order ? By wikipedia, of all sources :

The Caucasian race (also Caucasoid[1] or Europid)[2] is an outdated[3] grouping of human beings historically regarded as a biological taxon, which, depending on which of the historical race classifications is used, has usually included ancient and modern populations from all or parts of Europe, Western Asia, Central Asia, South Asia, North Africa, and the Horn of Africa.[4]

According to geneticist David Reich, based on ancient human genomes that his laboratory sequenced in 2016, ancient West Eurasians descend from a mixture of as few as four ancestral components related to the Eastern Hunter Gatherers (EHG), the Neolithic Iran, the Neolithic Levant and Natufians, and the Western Hunter-Gatherers (WHG):[67] As one editorial opinion expressed it:

[W]hatever we currently believe about the genetic nature of differences among populations is most likely wrong... "[W]hites" are not derived from a population that existed from time immemorial, as some people believe. Instead "whites" represent a mixture of four ancient populations that lived 10,000 years ago and were each as different from one another as Europeans and East Asians are today.[68]

 

[askavir]

It's ridiculous, EVERYONE benefits from the Police being controlled and free from corruption/halfwits why is it a black/white thing?

I don't think this is a black/white thing (at least for most, and at least originally), but there are some extremist parties taking advantage of this to turn it into a white/black thing, at least here in my southwestern corner of europe, because they need to fuel hatred and division to bolster their ranks (and especially votes).

 

[askavir]

Interestingly, in the article Robin linked above, it is mentioned that actual "rewiring" the brain can and does happen

Indeed it can, and while it's somewhat unusual, people do change their minds during life about important things, sometimes dramatically, even if rarely. It is a lot faster during youth though, as children are information sponges, they are still "taking in" the world, and have no prejudices (yet at least - hopefully never).

One thing I can tell you about myself, although not sure if related to the matter in the article or not, but the older I'm getting, the less certainties I have. About pretty much everything.

 

[Synkreto]

Indeed it can, and while it's unusual, people do change their minds during life about important things, sometimes dramatically, although rarely. It is a lot faster during youth though, as children are information sponges, they are still "taking in" the world, and have no prejudices (yet at least - hopefully never).

One thing I can tell you about myself, although not sure if related to the matter in the article or not, but the older I'm getting, the less certainties I have. About pretty much everything.

I am in the exact same state of mind . I mean, there were plenty of things I was usure about when I was young(er)....but the extend to which I am unsure about anything and everything these days is really immense...takes a special kind of effort to not go haywire day in day out .

Probably a sign our Cortices and Amygdalae are nicely balanced ?

 

[Synkreto]

Does someone know/Can share a good source about the actual state of research on immunity to SARS - CoV -2, and also on latest results on antibody test evalutaions ?

 

[Synkreto]

"Thinking, Fast and Slow" by D. Kahneman actually is about Amygdala ( fast ) and ( prefrontal ) Cortex ( slow ) thinking . Maybe worth a read .

[...]work that helps the public understanding of topics in behavioral science, engineering and medicine.

Thinking, Fast and Slow - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

OMFG mate, LEARN the history of slavery for gods sakes, SMH.

1) WHITES did NOT invent slavery, I mean c'mon the term itself comes from Slavs....clue Slavs weren't African
2) WHITES were VICTIMS of Slavery.
3) WHITES were the first to abolish slavery.

so ONCE again WHY is slavery used as justification for white hatred?

"used" =|= "invent"
"Civil rights" =|= "white hatred"
"and oppression" is completely missing from your analysis.

I know it seems incomprehensible to you why this global movement is taking place. Why there is revulsion at the general injustice.
It's obvious to me. <-These are just bald facts, with no implication.

Reading some more may help.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

"Thinking, Fast and Slow" by D. Kahnemann actually is about Amygdala ( fast ) and ( prefrontal ) Cortex ( slow ) thinking . Maybe worth a read .

Thinking, Fast and Slow - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That's really good stuff. I should buy that.
When employed and paid again, I mean.

 

[Synkreto]

In other news, acc. worldometers, the Pandemic is accelerating globally again . While numbers of daily deaths seem to plateau ( which is easily explained ofc. ) .

Coronavirus Update (Live): 138,848,897 Cases and 2,985,685 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

The CFR we are looking at atmo seems to be 10% .

Germany looks like we are starting to knock the Virus out . I am honestly amazed, I was fearing a harsh resurgence when (imho) too rapid easing of the measures started to be introudced . Have not paid much attention lately, will probably find out more details and intricacies over the weekend .

Germany COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Germany Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

 

[Ian Phillips]

OMFG mate, LEARN the history of slavery for gods sakes, SMH.

1) WHITES did NOT invent slavery, I mean c'mon the term itself comes from Slavs....clue Slavs weren't African
2) WHITES were VICTIMS of Slavery.
3) WHITES were the first to abolish slavery.

so ONCE again WHY is slavery used as justification for white hatred?

I wouldn't normally post in a thread I am monitoring, but I do want to address this point.
You are correct that "Whites" did not invent slavery, and also that we have inherited the word from the practice of selling Slavs to Muslims over 1000 years ago.

The people who captured and sold Slavs, were - wait for it - Vikings. Most definitely a "White" race.

 

[Synkreto]

Dr. Tom Frieden ( former Head of CDC ) on twitter :

Cases, tests, models, estimates of trends—indicators lots of people are tracking closely. But they don't tell us much. Focusing on them endangers our efforts to control Covid.

There's far too much amateur epidemiology out there. Deaths, hospitalizations, and diagnosed cases are just part of the iceberg.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1271142991416213507

Source: https://twitter.com/DrTomFrieden/status/1271142991416213507?s=20

 

[Gortron]

I wouldn't normally post in a thread I am monitoring, but I do want to address this point.
You are correct that "Whites" did not invent slavery, and also that we have inherited the word from the practice of selling Slavs to Muslims over 1000 years ago.

The people who captured and sold Slavs, were - wait for it - Vikings. Most definitely a "White" race.

Humans were responsible for slavery, at the height of the slave trade we all think about, African slave traders were complicit. White people were buying them and black people were selling them. Every race has had something to do with it. Eventually the rich European countries had people that realised how terrible it was and stopped it. The 'evil' British empire banned slavery ~80 years before the US, targeted slave ships and relocated many of them to Freetown Sierra Leone (Canada was tried first but is was too cold).

The trouble with all this monument toppling, history erasing, sense of humour bypassing hysteria is, if you don't know where you came from you risk making the exact same mistakes all over again!

Keep the statues but add a plague to explain the bad stuff they did. As for all the TV content that is being removed from Netflix and the like; many of the jokes were actually aimed at institutional racism. They weren't making fun of the characters the SJW are so upset about, they were poking fun at the system.

Neither of them are remotely right wing and I think it is extremely unlikely that people from ethic minorities would have a problem with it.

 

[Sysmon]

I wouldn't normally post in a thread I am monitoring, but I do want to address this point.
You are correct that "Whites" did not invent slavery, and also that we have inherited the word from the practice of selling Slavs to Muslims over 1000 years ago.

The people who captured and sold Slavs, were - wait for it - Vikings. Most definitely a "White" race.

We captured and sold each other too as thralls.

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